Fake Moon Landing-The Final Proof.

Originally posted by swimmer
jra, you should write a book. You know soooo much about "Moon Landing", they should really promote you.

But its nice having someone here who knows what he is talking about, talks the truth and doesnt blub on about 'civilisations' living on the moon or 'soul collector' on the moon.

how do the doubters explain away the mirrors left by apollo 11 that are still being used today by the McDonald observatory in Texas ?

how do the doubters explain rocks that were brought back ?

It seems to me that if you have tangible evidence we left something there, and brought something back, THAT is final proof we went


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they say that brought rock samples back,but of course there is no way we can prove that.nasa could show as many pictures as they want of moon rock,but we have no way of knowing if it is!

have had a look at some of the john lear stuff,but not had a chance to study it properly yet.maybe he talks about soul collecting so the US government won't take him too seriously and kill him! a bit like david icke talking about lizards.show ppl the truth,but add a bit of kookiness just to be safe,lol.

Originally posted by jakyll
they say that brought rock samples back,but of course there is no way we can prove that.nasa could show as many pictures as they want of moon rock,but we have no way of knowing if it is!

I guess you are not aware that many educational and scientific institutions all over the world have had there hands on the samples for study.

You can also request samples here: curator.jsc.nasa.gov... although they won't give them out to just anyone, since they are extremely limited. For now anyway.

i'm well aware of that.i find it strange though,that nasa,who are so secretive when it comes to space,would willingly share samples of moon rock so willingly.(and i'm talking about the very first samples here.)
after all,it would be very easy to hand pieces of meteorites(lunar & overs.)and say all came from the moon.....
on the other hand,i'm sure nasa tested all moon rock to death,and once they realised no real information could be gathered from them,they shared them out....
y'see,i'm in two minds about this

Originally posted by jakyll
i'm well aware of that.i find it strange though,that nasa,who are so secretive when it comes to space

But they aren't secretive at all. I know some people here may claim that NASA's hiding things, but I don't believe that for a minute.

would willingly share samples of moon rock so willingly.(and i'm talking about the very first samples here.)

NASA's goal is to learn all they can. The more who study the samples, the more they can learn about them.

after all,it would be very easy to hand pieces of meteorites(lunar & overs.)and say all came from the moon.....

Meteorites can not be passed off as Lunar samples. Meteorites that have been sitting on Earth look completely different, since they have flown through the atmosphere, and have been weathered. Samples from the Moon should be 100% lacking in water, unlike meteorites you'd find here. Just because you may not know how to tell the difference doesn't mean a geologist can't.

on the other hand,i'm sure nasa tested all moon rock to death,and once they realised no real information could be gathered from them,they shared them out....

What do you mean, "no real information"? What do you define "real information" as? And they are still studied today.

[edit on 18-7-2007 by jra]

"But they aren't secretive at all. I know some people here may claim that NASA's hiding things, but I don't believe that for a minute."


are you serious? companies like nasa are secretive.infuriating as it is,they have to be!



"Samples from the Moon should be 100% lacking in water,"

i am not widely read on the subject of water in moon rocks,but all i have read so far says that a small amount of water has been found in the samples,and its believed that rock taken from the darker side of the moon would contain larger samples of water...



"Just because you may not know how to tell the difference doesn't mean a geologist can't. "

i know the difference.no need to be insulting to someone who is trying to learn!



...i think what i mean by "no real information" is that they have found nothing they can exploit.(as yet.) and they have found no signs of life.(as yet.)and no,water samples don't mean signs of life.just because all life on this planet needs water,does not mean that other beings do!

Originally posted by jakyll
"But they aren't secretive at all. I know some people here may claim that NASA's hiding things, but I don't believe that for a minute."


are you serious? companies like nasa are secretive.infuriating as it is,they have to be!

NASA is not a company, it's a Federal agency. There is no reason for them to be secretive, nor do they have to be. They are a very open agency and they share tons of information and data. I believe they have an open sharing policy.

Also, NASA doesn't build or create everything they use. The Apollo program for example had hundreds of contracted companies work and building various parts together and there had to be lots of sharing of information between them. Each stage of the Saturn V rocket was built by a different company. The engineers had to be communicating back and forth as to make sure it all fit together in the end. It works like this for all there projects. There is no way you can be secretive with so much information sharing going on between companies and organizations on projects, that aren't even classified in any way, shape or form.

"Samples from the Moon should be 100% lacking in water,"

i am not widely read on the subject of water in moon rocks,but all i have read so far says that a small amount of water has been found in the samples,and its believed that rock taken from the darker side of the moon would contain larger samples of water...

There is no "darker side" of the Moon. Only at one of the poles in a few craters does it remain constantly dark, otherwise, all parts of the Moon get sunlight.

If you want to read up more on Lunar rocks, here are a few links to start.
meteorites.wustl.edu...
www.redzero.demon.co.uk...
www.space.com...

"Just because you may not know how to tell the difference doesn't mean a geologist can't. "

i know the difference.no need to be insulting to someone who is trying to learn!

No insult was intended. I'm still learning myself and I'm definitely no geologist. But they (geologists) can surely tell the difference between an Earth rock, meteorite and a Lunar rock. They all have very different qualities due to forming in completely different environments.

did ats get rid of "way above" ?

anyway, JRA gets my 4th vote for "way above" for his patient and educational posts

I also think all moon rocks are about the same age, something that would clearly differentiate them from anything else

NASA is not a company, it's a Federal agency. There is no reason for them to be secretive, nor do they have to be. They are a very open agency and they share tons of information and data. I believe they have an open sharing policy.

So just because they are a federal agency means they have no reason to be secretive? Oh yes, I am sure it is standard government policy for all federal agencies to be open and honest with the American citizens. Look, I do not think the moon landings are fake at all. In fact, I'm pretty sure they were there because Apollo astronauts have claimed to have seen alien spacecraft on their journey and after they landed. But there are many photos that NASA has intentionally smudged (which you can see very obviously by looking at the photos) before releasing them to the public. What are in these smudged photos they don't want you to see? Mile high structures (you can tell from the shadows they cast), moon bases, who knows what else. Not to mention all the video footage of UFOs they have swarming around the earth and the shuttle.

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Obvously nasa shares lots of information,but you have to admit that it keeps secrets,just as governments and the military do.it would be foolish of them to share 100% of all information with the public!!

apologies for saying you were insulting me,"as it was not intended."

can i ask you what you think about john lear?

The youtube moon landing hoax wire footage is pretty funny

The narrator is obviously selling a book, DVD or something to conspiracy nuts.

First, their example showing that guy doing a Doctor Who looked nothing like the footage on the moon. Not even close. If it were really scientific, they would attempt to replicate the moon landing walking exactly using their techniques, instead they made some guy fly through a Doctor Who worm hole. Well thats simlar

Also, the actual footage shows:
an astronaut jumping off the lunar lander and landing fairly quick and not falling down and hurting themselves. If they were on earth and the person was wearing all that gear, he would have landing on his ass hard, if he had on a wire, he would have landed slower.

Everything has been debunked over and over, I'm really surprised anyone still thinks we didn't land on the moon a number of times, which we did by the way.

There is ZERO evidence that the moon landing is fake.
There are alot of people who are trying to sell books and DVD's that want you to believe it's real however so you buy their next great book with their newest, bestest secrets that only you know about

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

Sorry Off topic.
You sig contains a quote from a Billy Thorpe, this wouldnt have been my old mate Thorpy from OZ would it? I was a member of The Aztecs for a short time in the late 60's, before I moved on.

yes, my sig is lyrics from the australian singers song "Children of the Sun", and he was in the aztecs from what I know. I only really know the one song, but it really awesome

Excuse this moment of indulgence but this thread made me think of these
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Me and my parents have been living in Orlando for approx. 62 years give or take a year...so the pics me and my family have of the Apollo missions launching from here are swamp-gas, induced,reflections from Venus? Who'da thunk. Nice try. Or was it a fake launch?. Maybe a masked sattelite launch that used a Saturn 5. Enough with the "hoax moon landing" I know some of the people on here have been present for the actual launch of a saturn 5 as my parents have and as I hav for countless shuttle missions. You can see them IN ORLANDO which is approx 50miles from the cape. It DID happen , or maybe you are contending that we sent a saturn 5 into orbit for over 3 weeks and lied about going somewhere...

Originally posted by disownedsky
Uh, there's no air on the moon. Fine dust should fall FASTER on the moon.

Yes, and everything else should fall sqrt(6) = 2.45 times slower on the moon. It does. Many people assume 1/6th gravity would make free fall slow by a factor of 6. They're wrong. Also conspiracy theorists should do the math to get the jumping capabilities of an astronaut, with relatively stiff knee joints and a massive suit and backpack. I did. It's easy.

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this is interesting,not sure what to think about this,must watch..If this is true we would need to find the exact timeline of the entire Apollo moon landing