Al Qaeda Cell in the U.S. Or On Its Way, According to New Intel

Kudos to Benevolent Heretic for the post and linkage above.

What some of you do not realize is that the terrorists arrested in London in the last month were seeking jobs in the US but did not get them. That does not mean that other did not get them which means there is the potential for similar attacks.

Most people talk of nukes, and that is not the way. It is simultaneous attacks across the country to incite fear, which is what a terrorist does. It then creates an imbalance in the global politic of the country leading to a split. Pck up a history book. Except this time it is radical Islam in America, not the Boston Tea Party.

If you live in fear, that is your own choosing, but to live in ignorance without denial is a crime.

ALSO Benevolent H- Can you provide documentation that the information put forward is not true? You asked for evidence and now I wish you to show me how Islamberg is a peaceful community or any of the others listed. Please do.

Originally posted by esdad71
What some of you do not realize is that the terrorists arrested in London in the last month were seeking jobs in the US but did not get them.

which means they canvassed the free worlds job opportunities markets,
most likely with an agenda, but were agreeable to be employed in any western country instead of some Islamic culture on the planet (?what?
they had hatred so deep that it extinguished the eglatarian spark that most civilized humans have?)

That does not mean that other did not get them which means there is the potential for similar attacks.

in the converse.... their failure to get into America, does not equate into other cells actually making it into the American system

It is simultaneous attacks across the country to incite fear,

hit the search button, it has already been proposed & laid out[+ 1 yr ago] that an operation termed "Sword & Crescent', i.e.; attacking 5 colonial cities & Capitol; [Bos/NYC/Phil/Balt/DC] would be the climatic attack bettering the 9-11 actrocity...which BTW, A-Q/OBL did not instrument


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ALSO Benevolent H- Can you provide documentation that the information put forward is not true? You asked for evidence and now I wish you to show me how Islamberg is a peaceful community or any of the others listed. Please do.

It is apparent to me that this "Islam-burg" or "Islam-Berg" is a parody,
intended as a funny stereotypical put down....
the message is a lame wry/dark humor piece.....
~ consider just why its been offered in PDF, of all things ~




signed~ non - clique member

[edit on 12-7-2007 by St Udio]

Originally posted by esdad71
What some of you do not realize is that the terrorists arrested in London in the last month were seeking jobs in the US but did not get them. That does not mean that other did not get them which means there is the potential for similar attacks.

You mean the gang that can't blow anything up? How many people get shot each day in the US and you want me to be more worried about some what-if's and maybe-could-possibly-happen-at-some-point-in-the-future scenarios? The current administration is very adept at fear-mongering, just take a look around these very forums to judge their success rate. Stuff like Hagmann and homelandsecurityus.com have always seemed very contrived in their presentation of supposedly hard facts. I don't buy it.

Originally posted by TheBorg
Well, if we'd protect our borders like we're supposed to be doing, then these kinds of threats would harmlessly fall to the wayside. S

Bingo,Borg. The only surprise to me is that this hasn't happened sooner. That is why I get so mad when some of the posters here will argue against securing our national borders.

They are one of three things:

1. Complete morons, which I don't think applies to any of the members here at ATS.

2. Are into some form of "feel good" humanism where they think all borders should be wide open.

or

3. In complete denial about the world situation and what we asa nation need to do to adapt to it.

Please tell me that such people dont really exist outside of government agencies and predominantly Hispanic communities. How can anyone possibly think securing our borders is a bad thing? Hell im sure that deep down inside the day laborers on North Ocean in Farmingville realize that we need to secure our borders.

I really dident think people were that dumb and or naive.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
Please tell me that such people dont really exist outside of government agencies and predominantly Hispanic communities. How can anyone possibly think securing our borders is a bad thing? Hell im sure that deep down inside the day laborers on North Ocean in Farmingville realize that we need to secure our borders.

I really dident think people were that dumb and or naive.

I hate to tell you, but many people seem to be naive indeed. Look at any of the Amnesty bill threads here at ATS, and you will see what I mean.

I know that the Hispanics that are currently here in the U.S know that our borders should be secured. Those that actually went out of their way to become legal citizens of this country do not like the fact that our borders are swiss cheese, either.

Interesting breaking news report, worthy of adding to this discussion.

Report: Al Qaeda renewing efforts to sneak terror plotters into U.S.

CNN.com Full Article Link

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Al Qaeda is stepping up its efforts to sneak terror operatives into the United States and has acquired most of the capabilities it needs to strike here, according to a new U.S. intelligence assessment, The Associated Press has learned.

The draft National Intelligence Estimate is expected to paint an increasingly worrisome portrait of al Qaeda's ability to use its base along the Pakistan-Afghan border to launch and inspire attacks, even as Bush administration officials say the U.S. is safer nearly six years into the war on terror.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Interesting report, click the source link and read the full article.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by ChrisF231
Please tell me that such people dont really exist outside of government agencies and predominantly Hispanic communities. How can anyone possibly think securing our borders is a bad thing? Hell im sure that deep down inside the day laborers on North Ocean in Farmingville realize that we need to secure our borders.

I really dident think people were that dumb and or naive.

I hate to tell you, but many people seem to be naive indeed. Look at any of the Amnesty bill threads here at ATS, and you will see what I mean.

I know that the Hispanics that are currently here in the U.S know that our borders should be secured. Those that actually went out of their way to become legal citizens of this country do not like the fact that our borders are swiss cheese, either.

Im a product of my environment; I live in a very conservative/almost straight red to the core Republican working class blue collar part of Long Island (South Shore of Suffolk County to be exact) and that type of thinking just is not common here, I know almost nobody (aside from the ultra racial lefties) that is opposed to border security and immigration restrictions.

We are the type of folks that constantly vote for people like Steve Levy, Peter King, etc in landslide victories.

Originally posted by esdad71
ALSO Benevolent H- Can you provide documentation that the information put forward is not true?

A) A negative cannot be proven.
B) I didn't make a claim that Islamberg is a peaceful community.
C) ChrisF231 claimed that Islamberg is a terrorist training camp and failed to provide adequate sources to back this claim.

However... this is another piece from a blogger who (like some here) agrees with Hagmann's claims, but has no proof of his own, only rampant, fear-based speculation. I am quoting from the COMMENTS section of this blog directed at Hagmann's piece.

All Things Beautiful

Okay. Let's look at this one. Now we won't go into the fact that not a single government official, state, federal, or local, is quoted by name, nor are references to the places where they are quoted made, to support all these assertions of illegal activities by this group or its members.
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But that still leaves the interesting question of how our intrepid private investigator managed to get access to this hidden compound of hardened and experienced terrorists without having his heretofore shot off.

He can't have just been using binoclars from the neigboring farm, since he knows that the shooting range was "recently used" [presumably he found bright and fresh spent casings] and we trust his word implicitly on the matter.

and...

I visited Islamville SC, and Islamberg NY, unannounced. They welcomed me in during their Friday prayer and Mr Hasib Haqq answered any question I had. You guy's are welcome to do the same. There were no Terrorists no bombs, bunkers, guard a tower, just American’s living alongside Americans. While in SC on Islamville I met FBI agents present at one of the group’s graduation ceremonies. Please stop slandering and spying on them, GO VISIT THEIR LOCATIONS. SAY HELLOW AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES! Stop turning Americans against Americans. I feel their really hated because their both black and Muslim. You guys spend more time harassing innocent Muslims.

And this from FOX News (Read the entire article and decide for yourself)

Quietly nestled in the woods, Islamberg remained unnoticed for the two decades leading up to Sept. 11, 2001, when the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were attacked by a determined band of Islamic extremists.
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Islamberg got its start about 20 years ago, when — inspired by the words of the Sufi cleric Sheikh Syed Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani — a group of primarily black Muslims from Brooklyn left New York City to escape crime, poverty and racism. Aiming to lead what they believed was a peaceful and holy Muslim life, they built a community of some 40 family houses, their own grocery store and a bookstore.
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In the few instances when they did have relationships with the locals, they were almost always friendly, many said. Sometimes local children would visit their friends in the compound. "There was a sense of camaraderie with them," one woman said.

So, they've been around for 20 years before 9/11 but only now are they big bad Muslim Terrorist Training Camps.

Several locals say, "You'd better be careful if you go up there. They have guns."



It's in the Catskill Mountains. Everyone in the area has guns! It's a known hunting area.

So, believe what you want. Do your own research and find the truth. If you want to believe that this little poor community nestled in the mountains for 25 years is all of a sudden training their kids to kill Americans, go for it. But consider the ONLY source of your beliefs is this one man, Doug Hagmann, who claims to know quite a bit about a place considering how hostile they are toward "Americans"... (pssst... they ARE Americans)

Deposit NY residents celebrate 2006 flood survival with Islamberg neighbors.
June 24 2007



Source

As far as the whole argument that this is a "ploy by the government," folks, I think you are all wet on this one. While they may not have been completely honest about what really happened on 9/11, I have some serious questions about the official story, we are in a REAL war with a very REAL enemy.

If you don't think that these extremists know that our national borders are as porous as a wiffle ball, then you are only fooling yourself. They know. Like I said, the only thing that surprises me about this story is that it hasn't emerged sooner.

How big Al Qaeda's footprint is in the US
Intelligence revelations this week suggest that operatives remain active here, though the number of cells is uncertain.
By Alexandra Marks | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
NEW YORK – Anyone who can tell you how many terror cells are operating in the United States can also tell you how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.





But he and other intelligence experts say it's all but necessary to assume terror cells are here. And several revelations this week suggest that far more than prudence is at play. New reports indicate that an Al Qaeda operative captured in Pakistan had contacted people in the US as recently as this year.

There are also the disturbing details about the discovered case studies of the targeted buildings in Washington, New York, and Newark that prompted last weekend's heightened terror alerts. The English was perfect, probably written by someone who had lived in the United States for a long time and was professional and meticulous, according to reports. The studies were three and four years old, which indicates that whoever wrote them could be long-term resident.

How long have these people been here?

These people have been here long enough to speak "perfect English?"

I gave you one example because you asked so how many would you like for me to show you that this is not a peaceful little community. How about the fact that the founder is connected to the death of Daniel Pearl?

www.canadafreepress.com...

Here is a link to a few more articles.

A threat from them

www.canadafreepress.com...

"Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as "the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr". Gilani has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat u-Fuqra or "community of the impoverished", an organization that seeks to "purify" Islam through violence.

"Islamberg is not as benign as a Buddhist monastery or a Carmelite convent. Nearly every weekend, neighbors hear sounds of gunfire. Some, including a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, have heard the bang of small explosives. None of the neighbors wished to be identified for fear of "retaliation". "We don't even dare to slow down when we drive by", one resident said. "They own the mountain and they know it and there is nothing we can do about it but move, and we can't even do that. Who wants to buy a property near that?"

"Even though Jamaat ul-Fuqra has been involved in terror attacks and sundry criminal activities, recruited thousands of members from federal and state penal systems, and appears to be operating paramilitary facilities for militant Muslims, it remains to be placed on the official US Terror Watch List. On the contrary, it continues to operate, flourish and expand as a legitimate nonprofit, tax-deductible charity."

They are a religion that is linked to this terror organization, the Jamaat_ul-Fuqra.

en.wikipedia.org...

I have done my homework and I am sorry but with a relationship with a known terror organization, the only reason that I can see that they would not shut it down is because they are getting to much intel from it. THey are a non profit organization that I am sure is sending money overseas to fight the good fight and kill our soldiers and the innocent bystanders of their jihad.

Originally posted by esdad71
I gave you one example because you asked so how many would you like for me to show you that this is not a peaceful little community.

Nothing you can give me is going to prove it either way. I simply am not going to decide that Islamberg is a "terrorist training camp" on the word of a blogger or two. It might be a terrorist cell within the US or it might be a peaceful little community of innocent Americans who picked a questionable character to look up to. I haven't been there.

And knowing how hastily our government throws "suspected terrorists" into prison, I'm sure if they had any intelligence on these people, they'd whisk them off to jail or go in. Remember Waco?

I suspect this movement against Islamberg has grown out of a bunch of rumors and hate mongering, but I can't be sure. So, like I said, believe what you want (you may be right) and I'll withhold judgment. Thanks.

I do NOT fear terrorists, I DO fear my own Government..

Hey folks I can sum up most of the major American Media News for ya, save ya some time...


Today we have "FEAR FEAR, TERROR TERROR, with suspected chance of TERROR TERROR and FEAR FEAR

Ever hear of the little boy who cried wolf? The sad part is eventually he was eaten, when a REAL THREAT CAME. I just think the REAL threat is the Government, OK the Bush Admin, not everyone in all government. There are many good Americans workign in government so I don't want to defame them all.

Man I say bring it on mofos! If some punk-ass terrorists want to come to my town and bring their suicidalness, then I will help them along their way to the next life, wherever they may end up. Dirty dogs aint brigning my life to a halt!

I am talking about the CIA of course arent they synonyms anyways?

I am glad you bought up Waco. Please tell me how long some right wing skinheads could keep a tax free township that allows no one in and perform live weapon training. You are met with armed guards at the entrance. What is to hide?

This is not on the word of a few bloggers. It is on all the major networks also. I guess since it is not from prisonplanet or some other left wing rag that you do not want to take a stand BH. I am not trying to convince anyone , you asked for more evidence

Want some more?

HEre are a few quotes in this place

(...) The neighbors interviewed, who asked not to be identified, said they feared retaliation if they were to make a report to law enforcement officials.

(...) "We see children – small children run around over there when they should be in school," one neighbor said. "We hear bursts of gunfire all of the time, and we know that there is military-like training going on there. Those people are armed and dangerous."


(...) Jamaat ul-Fuqra, or "community of the impoverished," was formed by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani in New York in 1980. Gilani, who refers to himself as "the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr," has stated his objective is to "purify" Islam through violence.
(...) Gilani also is the founder of a village in South Carolina called "Holy Islamville."

(...) The encampment in Hancock, N.Y., is run by a front for Jamaat ul-Fuqra called Muslims of the Americas Inc., which operates a school known as the International Quranic Open University Inc.

(...) Though primarily based in Lahore, Pakistan, Jamaat ul-Fuqra has operational headquarters in the U.S.

(...) The group seeks to counter "excessive Western influence on Islam" through any means necessary, publicly embracing the ideology that violence is a significant part of its quest to purify Islam. The enemies of Islam, the group says, are all non-Muslims and any Muslim who does not follow the tenets of fundamentalist Islam as detailed in the Quran.

(...) Jamaat ul-Fuqra openly recruits through various social service organizations in the U.S., including the prison system. Members live in compounds where they agree to abide by the laws of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, which are considered to be above local, state and federal authority.

(...) According to the report, there appear to be more than two dozen "Jamaats," or private communities, loosely connected and scattered throughout the U.S. with an estimated 5,000 members.

(...) Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra. The organization operates communes of primarily black, American-born Muslims throughout the U.S. The investigation confirmed members commonly use aliases and intentional spelling variations of their names and routinely deny the existence of Jamaat ul-Fuqra.

(...) Members have been known to go to Pakistan for paramilitary training, but the investigation found evidence the U.S. encampments offer such training so members don't need to risk traveling abroad amid increased scrutiny following the 9-11 attacks.

www.foxnews.com...

Here is another story. It is quite scary that they are so close to the entire water supply for NY.


www.nypost.com...

Would you like to live within 50 miles of this place?

Interesting,

Intel has not been correct on threats to date, so I doubt they are right this time as well. I think it is more of a smoke screen given Bush's ratings have dipped below 70% disapproval. With latest Dem attack to pull troops out, Bush needed a little slack in rope while this tug of war goes on and on.

Peace,

esdi I like your post , it was discussed on the Michaelsavage radio about a month ago and the man investigating has also reported on the high level of activity at mosques in the US and prisons.
hmm if intel is incorrect 70 % of the time..I guess it must be correct at least 30% of the time, the 70% just keeps us awake. which we should be.and that's been pretty good so far for preventing an attack here.
If I can't rely on stats I just think and reflect about that WTC attack (Twice mind you with 3000 killed not counting injured and the other simaltaneous attacks)..and that nick boys beheading shown live, all courtesy of Alqaeda and a world wide Jihadistmovement, not the U.S. Government..

SyS
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Originally posted by Sys_Config

hmm if intel is incorrect 70 % of the time..I guess it must be correct at least 30% of the time, the 70% just keeps us awake. which we should be.and that's been pretty good so far for preventing an attack here.
If I can't rely on stats I just think and reflect about that WTC attack (Twice mind you with 3000 killed not counting injured and the other simaltaneous attacks)..and that nick boys beheading shown live, all courtesy of Alqaeda and a world wide Jihadistmovement, not the U.S. Government..

Sys_Config, to begin with, no one ever said that the intel was right 70% of the time.

That, I believe, was referring to Bush's approval rating which is currently around 27%.

If the US's intel was only right 70% of the time I don't think that you or I would be sitting here.

If there hasn't been a terror attack on US soil since 911 it means one of 2 things:

1 - The US has been VERY lucky either in the sense that terrorists have not attacked or have been unable to attack (and you can make any argument you'd like about which government or group is responsible for any attacks or lack thereof), or that there has been very little to know activity.

or

2) Our intel is SO good now that we can prevent things even before they can get off the ground.

Judging on the quality of our *SUPERIOR* intel about WMD's in Iraq, the situational intel and response to New Orleans, the tremendous *discretion* and care taken with the Plame case and any other botched management of intel through this administration that you can name - I have to say that my trust for the government's ability to deal with and process intel appropriately is at an all time low.

* - Denotes HIGH levels of sarcasm