Can anyone prove the NWO exists?

Control, they fear they may lose control over you. Besides this there is also some trend towards world unity which also gives them spiritual power.

A lot of people want suppressed technology like free-energy devices and other innovations, some 100 years old and more advanced than stuff we use today. But there is a problem -- if you give people free-energy device you are not controlling them anymore since they don't need you, they can go "off the grid" and say FU and not listen to you anymore.

You may think this is not so relevant and they just want more of everything (which is true also), but trust me, they FEAR people would actually get technology which could make them independent. This is why you see chips pushed, "to combat terrorists" and why nobody from Global Warming Scam is talking about free-energy, only about global tax and similar nonsense.

Or maybe they are really that retarded, who knows, anything is possible.

Originally posted by Project_Silo
Cmon poeple answer me...

You have already answered yourself. Most of it makes no sense.

I believed in NWO and still kind of do,but i will not fully untill this question can be reasonably answered for me..Its a tough one

There is no Illuminati/NWO.

It's all horse manure.

Don't waste time on rubbish.


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To the OP:

In 1913 the Unites States handed over control of it's money supply to the Federal Reserve, which is a privately-owned corporation!

Thus the US is controlled to a large degree by private interests....

See America : Freedom to Fascism.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
To the OP:

In 1913 the Unites States handed over control of it's money supply to the Federal Reserve, which is a privately-owned corporation!

So? It's not only money.

Oil, water, electricity, food, land, mass media, all these and more are in private hands today.

There is a reason why power to create money is in the hands of private bankers.

For economy to expand, businesses need capital.

But there is not enough capital to go around.

So how?

No capital, business cannot expand, no hiring of workers etc.

Create the capital out of nothing of course.

This power, like all powers can and has been abused.

This gives rise to inflation.

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Originally posted by Ickey

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
To the OP:

In 1913 the Unites States handed over control of it's money supply to the Federal Reserve, which is a privately-owned corporation!

So? It's not only money.

Oil, water, electricity, food, land, mass media, all these and more are in private hands today.

There is a reason why power to create money is in the hands of private bankers.

That's right, pretty much everything is controlled by private interests, and those private people are the real powers-that-be/NWO or whatever you want to call them.

Some more NWO talk from Bush senior and others you can see in The Ultimate Con video, from 1:42:30 on. But of course this is not the only source of NWO information. Depends if you really want to find it, that's entirely new question.

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There are indeed fishy elements of 911 incident.

But don't jump to conclusions and connect 911 with fictional NWO/Illuminati groups.

Want to jump to conclusions, why not jump a bit further to Satan and his minions?

Or aliens?

No need to jump to NWO/Illuminati.



This event of March 1936, by which Hitler remilitarized the Rhineland, was the most crucial event in the whole history of appeasement.

So long as the territory west of the Rhine and a strip fifty kilometers wide on the east bank of the river were demilitarized, as provided in the Treaty of Versailles and the Locarno Pacts, Hitler would never have dared to move against Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland.

He would not have dared because, with western Germany unfortified and denuded of German soldiers, France could have easily driven into the Ruhr industrial area and crippled Germany so that it would be impossible to go eastward.

And by this date, certain members of the Milner Group and of the British Conservative government had reached the fantastic idea that they could kill two birds with one stone by setting Germany and Russia against one another in Eastern Europe.

In this way they felt that the two enemies would stalemate one another, or that Germany would become satisfied with the oil of Rumania and the wheat of the Ukraine.

It never occurred to anyone in a responsible position that Germany and Russia might make common cause, even temporarily, against the West. Even less did it occur to them that Russia might beat Germany and thus open all Central Europe to Bolshevism.

In order to carry out this plan of allowing Germany to drive eastward against Russia, it was necessary to do three things:

(1) to liquidate all the countries standing between Germany and Russia;

(2) to prevent France from honoring her alliances with these countries; and

(3) to hoodwink the English people into accepting this as a necessary, indeed, the only solution to the international problem.

The Chamberlain group were so successful in all three of these things that they came within an ace of succeeding, and failed only because of the obstinacy of the Poles, the unseemly haste of Hitler, and the fact that at the eleventh hour the Milner Group realized the implications of their policy and tried to reverse it.

The liquidation of the countries between Germany and Russia could proceed as soon as the Rhineland was fortified, without fear on Germany’s part that France would be able to attack her in the west while she was occupied in the east.

The chief task of the Milner Group was to see that this devouring process was done no faster than public opinion in Britain could accept, and that the process did not result in any out burst of violence, which the British people would be unlikely to accept.

To this double purpose, the British government and the Milner Group made every effort to restrain the use of force by the Germans and to soften up the prospective victims so that they would not resist the process and thus precipitate a war.

The countries marked for liquidation included Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland, but did not include Greece and Turkey, since the Group had no intention of allowing Germany to get down onto the Mediterranean “lifeline”. Indeed, the purpose of the Hoare-Laval Plan of 1935, which wrecked the collective-security system by seeking to give most of Ethiopia to Italy, was intended to bring an appeased Italy into position alongside England, in order to block any movement of Germany southward rather than eastward...

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that is a question that i ask myself also

i wonder about a NWO as well i mean i see two main fractions with a sort of hidden heirarchy ruling over them from the shadows it may go something like this

and in this corner weighing 400 pounds , smoking cigarette's and deep in debt SIR tommy reynhard rubenstein

supporting him we have america, canada a good deal of europe (EU) ( although they are not happy about not getting there share of the corporate contracts in iraq) austrailia, japan, isreal

and in this corner we have vladimir mouhammed guillen riding his donkey smoking a cigar and doing kung fu kicks

supporting him we have Russia, china, india, venezuela, brazil, N koriea, Cuba and iran

and overseaing both sides of this fight is our head referee Illuminatus rothschild rockefellar

supporting the ref who may actually be instigating this battle is the central banks of the world that are privately owned and steering the economies or russia, india, china, america, europe, australia, and japan. (both sides)

there are some by-standers but they may get involved if anything gets out of hand this includes the old time season ticket holders (switzerland) and another famous guest watcher who was rumoured to actually be working part time in the consession and sweat shop mexico and lastly (france) who is rumoured to be staying on the side lines due to breaking a nail earlier in a cat fight.

the central bankers are pulling the strings. the leaders of the countries may be bought and paid for and" throwing the fights" and being paid handsomely and protected as well. i'm not sure, but trust no one and beleive the corruption level is so high, nothing is 2 sinister to believe

(i mean no harm in creating these names just trying to have a bit of a laugh and if we can't laugh at ourselves or our own cultures then ....well....it's a bit of a shame)

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supporting the ref who may actually be instigating this battle is the central banks of the world that are privately owned and steering the economies or russia, india, china, america, europe, australia, and japan.

Yes, good for a laugh.

If only it were true.

No WWI or WWII.

If you don't believe there's a New World Order, get a members lists for the following: Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, 33rd Degree Free Masons, Council on Foreign Relations, Committee of 300, Bilderberg Group, and the Trilateral Commission. Do a cross check. The secret society network holds high members of politics, banking, the military, media, and business from all over the world. These people have written books with titles like "The New World Order" saying what they plan. The Rockefellers have often come right out and said their plans for world governance by elites. I know most of you want some easy answer in 4000 characters or less that proves there's a cabal of globalists bent on world governance under the UN... BUT, it's not going to happen. Instead, take some time on my website, watch the videos and slideshow, read the blogs, and check out some of the links. These people aren't particularly candid about what they're doing. The Bilderberg Group has admitted it's into the idea of world government. The Trilateral Commission and the CFR state the same goals. Hitler spoke of a New World Order. Bush (son of a Hitler financer) spoke of a New World Order. The back of our dollar bill "announces the coming of the New World Order." Anyway, take a look at some of the quotes on my page from top politicians talking about the conspiracy:

www.myspace.com/sheeplerevolt

If America wanted to stop WWII, Rothschild could have simply halted the supply of fuel to Hitler.

No doubt there is better sources but this one covers what I have said and a little more...

that war was not a war to ensure our freedom because the international financiers and bankers financed the rise of Nazism from the beginning, especially American and European banks. Both George W. Bush's grandfathers were involved in the banks and enterprises that were closed in 1942 as violations of the Trading with the Enemy Act. Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker narrowly escaped jail time for their participation. Standard Oil was refueling German U-boats in mid-Atlantic, Ford continued to build trucks for the NAZI regime throughout the war, ITT continued to supply communication equipment, and IBM furnished information handling technology to process the heavy load of prisoners on their way to the concentration camps and the ovens. And it was a war into which we were plunged by the secret provocation and facilitation by the US military under orders from their Commander-in-Chief. Pearl Harbor was not an infamous sneak attack but the result of a deliberate US foreign policy and military maneuvering. Shipping in the Pacific was even diverted from the expected route of attack to avoid early warning. Fuel supplies were deliberately withheld to ensure two battle groups in port at a time instead of one. A cable was held for several hours by General George Marshall until, half an hour before the attack, he sent a warning by Western Union that arrived in Hawai'i too late.

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Originally posted by Project_Silo
C’mon poeple answer me...

What will the Elites gain from a NWO that they can't already have, they are some of the richest men in the world.

I'll attempt a hypothetical answer.

Advancement of society? We can all see the benefits when people work together is an organised way can't we? Just think about good old Henry Fords production line (I know its not his idea, be he's famous for using it) groups of 3 or 4 men can easily put a car together working as a small team - but each vehicle will take say a day, and that’s only if all the parts are to hand, otherwise they can't complete the car.

Now 60 - 70 men in a production line is far more efficient, each station would be responsible for ordering say wheels, they can see in advance the needs for the immediate future - and figure out what to order. Then of course you have specialization that goes with working on the same station - the workers will do their job better, understand, in this case, wheels and suspension and are there fore more qualified to offer suggestions back to the designers. So you could compare the 4 old blokes in a shed knocking out one vehicle every so often to a professional and efficient work force that is able to cope operate even when problems arise.

Now if you relate that to trying to get very large scale international projects done, then you have endless little problems.

I'm not gonna get into how sinister or hidden the NWO is, I’m on the fence. But it is about efficiency, production and making things ever easier for people at the top. Technology is being developed at a fantastic rate - there even drip dripping it down to us!!

So once a day, get down on your knees and pay homage to your computer screen or a blender of something - show em you care

I think The Ultimate Con provide proof of NWO...

@1:40:00 of the movie.

It is quite hard to dispute when you see Bush Senior talking about it.

Originally posted by ozvulcan
I can see how the world is moving towards globalisation and a one world government which i am in favour of both as the human race will be at it's hight when it moves as one.
Yet i don't see how any group of people are in control or are causing these changes, if you are going to say any major event is the result or cause of a NWO then by that reasoning Nazi Germany was a NWO, the creation of the United States of America was a NWO as well as the rise of the British Empire, you see my point?

The human race will be at it's Zenith when there's a One World Government?

Countries cannot even get honest and forthright politicians above the town level. Leaders of countries are almost all corrupt. And you think it is going to get better when they lead the WORLD? Cognitive Dissonance at it's finest.

I'd love to see a world united like Star Trek displays, but it's not gonna happen in this present age. Man is too easily corrupted.

Just look at what these NWO types want to do. Reduce the population to 500 million across the planet. That's 5.5 BILLION people that have to die. You think YOU are going to be one of the 500 million? Here's the scoop daddio. They are going to keep the "elite" (meaning extremely rich), and the extremely poor. The poor will be kept as, basically, slaves.

"Is life so dear, or Peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but give me liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry.

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Originally posted by Project_Silo
What will the Elites gain from a NWO that they can't already have,they are some of the richest men in the world.

I apologize for the one liner... but...

Your freedom, sovereignty, your ability to think for yourself. It's all about control.... ultimate control.

Just look at the American constitutuion to see how the NWO has it's claws in. For a start the Federal Reserve is privately owned

Sorry if some of you have already read these quotes, but I think they're another good piece of evidence pointing towards a New World Order of world governance under the UN. Give them a read through:

"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati had
not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully
satisfied of this fact than I am."
-George Washington, 1782

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by
those who are not behind the scenes."
-Benjamin Disraeli, 1844

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me
privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of
commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a
power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so
complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when
they speak in condemnation of it."
-Woodrow Wilson, 1913

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great
industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of
credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our
activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the
worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments
in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a
government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
-Woodrow Wilson, 1916

"From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of
Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide
conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of
society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and
impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played a definitely
recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the
mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and
now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of
the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by
the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters
of that enormous empire."
-Winston Churchill, 1920

"The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a
giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. At
the head is a small group of banking houses. This little coterie run our
government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a
self-created screen, seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies,
schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public
protection.”
-N.Y. Mayor, John Hylan, 1922

"The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson"
-Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1933

"Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by
strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or
the people… outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating
within our government and political system, another body representing
another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our
Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side. All the
strange developments in the foreign policy agreements may be traced to this
group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure. This political
action group has its own local political support organizations, its own
pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our
government, and its own propaganda apparatus."
-Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It
financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are
directed to making the United States a member of a World Government."
-American Mercury Magazine, 1957

"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in
common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the
national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and
racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world
peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss
of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting
disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence
into an all-powerful one-world government."
-Harpers, July l958

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society, and we are as a people, inherently and historically, oppossed to secret societies, secret oaths, and secret proceedings. For we are oppossed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence. It depends on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly effecient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published, its mistakes are buried, not headlined, its dissenters are silenced, not praised, no expendature is questioned, no secret is revealed... I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people.
-JFK, 1961

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational
consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of
the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission
represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate
the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and
ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a
worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the
nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they will
rule the future."
-U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, l964

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing
less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands
able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the
world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by
the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements,
arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the
system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a
private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were
themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made
possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power
for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other
economic groups."
-Professor Carroll Quigley, 1966

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world
government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all
under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there
is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and
incredibly evil in intent."
-Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that
was shot down by the Soviets

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine
and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and
respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have
been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been
subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work
is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world
government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world
bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in
past centuries."
-David Rockefeller, 1991 Trilateral Commission meeting

"George Bush has been surrounding himself with people who believe in
one-world government. They believe that the Soviet system and the American
system are converging. The vehicle to bring this about, is the United
Nations, the majority of whose 166 member states are socialist, atheist, and
anti-American."
-U.S. Ambassador David Funderburk, 1991

"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to
which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."
-George Bush, 1992

"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are
the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order,
and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions."
-Henry Kissinger, 1994

"Some even believe we (Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal
working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my
family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around
the world to build a more integrated global political and economic
structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty,
and I am proud of it."
-David Rockefeller, 2002 Autobiography