Steorn's Orbo "free-energy" machine demonstrated!

Something is amiss with the camera's.

Cam 3 is dark while cam's 1, 2, 4 are bright. One or more of the camera's for the demo is on loop or repeat. Interesting.

err - nm I just spied some tech's working on the demo at cam 4. I guess they are trying to fix it.

Sean McCarthy has his reputation on the line. If this is a hoax, he'll be the laughing stock of the scientific community. I wouldn't show my face in public if I were him and he is proven to be a hoaxer. If this technology is real, then this is good news for humanity.

or... could it be anything besides real or a hoax? Is there any way he can save face if the product doesn't deliver?

[edit on 5-7-2007 by curiousbeliever]

Originally posted by Vaak

Important update on the Kinetica demo: We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience.

That was taken from the Steorn frontpage, and thus I guess we will just have to wait and see. I'm sitting here in suspense

How convienent.

I am highly skeptical of these claims. This latest snag only heightens my beliefs. I'm calling this one a great marketing ploy. Not sure what is being marketed though.

Originally posted by kleverone

How convienent.

I am highly skeptical of these claims. This latest snag only heightens my beliefs. I'm calling this one a great marketing ploy. Not sure what is being marketed though.

Kleverone,

As open-minded as I am I am going to agree with you. I am just thinking from a logical perspective, if I had such an amazing discovering I would want all eyes on me at one time, thus making the release of the info and the means to relay the information the most important things.

I would make damn sure that I had working links, different service providers, multiple cameras and at least 2 back up demo units on hand, and have done a few test feeds via the net days before, this way no room for delays or screw ups.

I just had an after thought. Shouldn't they have taken footage beforehand to show everyone what their invention did, just in case the demo somehow got screwed up or even jammed?

And why the need for such intense lighting? Don't todays cameras require less intense lighting?

I would have had pre-recorded feeds set up everywhere. I wouldn't want anyone saying that I was a scam or full of #hit.



[edit on 5-7-2007 by Realtruth]

Originally posted by zorgon

Yup I like that one

The only hitch in all this is why did they not have cameras running while it was working in the lab?

Seems to me a simple thing to keep a camcorder running in the lab if it worked.

That's actually a good idea, and we do that here. We have two video servers that do nothing but record video from the labs, and the work stations have an ethernet jack for a camera.

The reason is, sometimes, especially when you're validating or debugging, something will happen - once. You can't always figure out what you did to get a failure. The benchcams have saved us a TON of time backtracking.

While we're >ahem< waiting, I saw a really interesting movie on cable yesterday called "Who Killed the Electric Car?". Here's the Wikipedia article about it.

Well made film that had some great insights. It's not so much a woowoo "conspiracy" flick as it is a "how short sighted and dumb can they be?" movie.

If you're interested in how the market does (and doesn't) work, and some of the politics associated with that, it's a well spent use of time to see this one. In my opinion.

Can any web savvy person on this form tell us how many hits their website is getting now? Or how popular their feed is? etc etc.....

It would be interesting to see how many internet folks are following this story...

ok - being unusually magnaminous , let us for a second accept the stated reason for the test failure , namely :

` the overhead spot lights lights caused the device to overheat and fail `

right ho !

that is a damming indictment of this technologies durability / reliability / portability and flexibility .

if it cannot endure such minor thermal shock , it isnt going to be any use in practical situations . plus - it is not going to be reliable enough for critical applications

unfourunatly i cannot get any video of the pre failure test footage to work - so cannot make a SWAG as to the accussed spotlights power rating , lumens rating or likley thermal output

did anyone D/L the footage ? if so please can i have a copy - i would like to see the set up - and speculate just how much heat these " killer lamps " were putting out

but having worked with spotlights quite a bit - while the actual bulb / reflectors do get VERY hot - the radiated heat is really quite modest

esp if you are attempting to film what they are illuminating - you do not blast 300w spotlights @ a device from close range - then attempt to film the result

certainly not high enough temperature to cause a bearing to fail

nor for that matter for temperature to affect the preformance of a magnet [ magnets are tempurature sensetive ]

not all magnets are created equal - but most modern automotive alternators contain permanant magnets nowadays - after a drive just tough the casing of your cars alternator

also - your computer hard drive - how hot does that get ? certanly warm to the touch

thats enough being magnaminous - it disagrees with me

i for one do not actually believe the cover story of ` waste heat from lamps ` made it fail - do you ?

[edit on 5-7-2007 by ignorant_ape]

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
i for one do not actually believe the cover story of ` waste heat from lamps ` made it fail - do you ?

Note bene:

If you're going to London with your status-quo shattering energy machine for your first (and last if you blow it) demo, you should definitely:

1) have more than one system going by multiple routes

2) pack along the spares to fix problems

3) don't check the only machine you have in the baggage so that one of us Stonecutters can get our mitts on it in the loading area, because I guarantee it won't work at the show.

4) Next up: the unfortunate auto accident for Sean. Standby: mad 'Arab' with bomb at the Kinetica.

Anyone see this page on their site? It looks like a break down of spending.

Let's see administrative costs seem to be getting a bit high.

Steorn Investor Relations.

supposedly, this guy has proved Steorn is right:
part1: youtube.com...
part2: youtube.com...

I don't know what to make of it...

[edit on 5-7-2007 by curiousbeliever]

Originally posted by DuncanIdahoGholem
There's something bugging me.... Their website is super polished,

I seem to recall several months ago there was another Irish breakthrough in free energy. I was sure I saved the website but can't find it right now. It seems I recall the company was the same or similar... any one else remember this? I will dig through my links today and see if I can find it

Originally posted by zorgon
I seem to recall several months ago there was another Irish breakthrough in free energy. I was sure I saved the website but can't find it right now. It seems I recall the company was the same or similar... any one else remember this? I will dig through my links today and see if I can find it

Quite a few years back there was another Irish perpetual motion machine, from a company called "Jasker". An article about them is preserved on the last page of the Internet.

what would be really good is if any of the london ats members could nip down to the orbo demo during the opening hours and try and interview the steorn people. they could also take a closer look at the orbo model & post photos here. its open from 11 till 7 from tomorrow (friday)

any volunteers?

im watching the overhead cam no.2 at the moment (all the cams are up and running now) and there is a very slight wobbling inside the casing - almost like water being disturbed - very strange effect

Originally posted by corsig
This could be amazing- I am a totally willing to except that the demo is delayed for whatever reason for a couple of days before jumping to conclusions.

Okay I was right it IS the same company...

Its even in Wikipedia

Steorn Ltd. is a small privately held technology development company based in Dublin, Ireland.

The company briefly drew the attention of the mainstream media in August 2006 by placing a full-page advertisement in The Economist, claiming to have developed a technology that produces "free, clean, and constant energy" and challenging the scientific community to review its claim.

SOURCE

AUGUST 2006!!! almost a year ago.... so I bet we will have to wait a lot longer. No if they were challenging scientists back then, would they not have had to have a working model to verify?

www.steorn.net... since 2000...

Here is an article dated Aug 18, 2006 about the last time they tried a demo

AUGUST 2006 PR Campaign

I need to get some air freshener...

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
Your very welcome!
I was going to start a thread about the doc but figured since I am new here there has already been a "It runs on water" debate.

LOL Never let that stop you... Do a search first, but if your thread duplicates work and is not a new slant, the mods will let you know and close it referingyou to the appropriate existing thread. And there are multiple threads on many topics

On the "runs on water" issue... this is not so far away. It seems hydrogen and fuel cells are being accepted by main stream finally. At a convention here in Las Vegas last year Shell Oil released their Hydrogen Pump... ( I set it up) and they promise a "Hydrogen Hyway" up both coasts in 10 years...

All it took was to find a safe way to dispense the highly explosive fuel. So once the Oil Company figured that out they can control it.

There is already an active station in Washington DC and Bush was filling up one of the White House staffs hydrogen cars...



As to the fuel cells here is a Dept of Energy page supporting and collecting data on them...

www1.eere.energy.gov...

Now on the other side of the coin...

While production of Hydrogen CAN be clean using solar or water power for electrolysis... Bush and co. plan to distil it from hydro carbons which still pollutes... gotta find a way to keep those oil bucks coming in afterall

The oil and chemical industries already produce 9 million tons of hydrogen each year, most of it from natural gas, and transport it through hundreds of miles of pipelines to fuel the space shuttle and to remove sulfur from petroleum refineries. The administration's plan lays the groundwork to expand that infrastructure -- guaranteeing that oil and gas companies will profit from any transition to hydrogen. Lauren Segal, general manager of hydrogen development for BP, puts it succinctly: "We view hydrogen as a way to really grow our natural-gas business."

SOURCE

Today there is a powerful force against renewable energy. The oil, coal and nuclear industries are huge money makers, and the people who run these companies are not about to give up their riches in order to save the planet. George Bush, as you well know, is among them.

The Hydrogen Car: What George Bush Doesn't Want You to Know

A member of ATS Beer_Guy... submitted a plan and design to us at Pegasus... and I have not heard from him since nor seen a post though he has visited this month

Bob Lazar ran into a different issue. Apparently the chemicals (like sulfur) needed to make the hydrogen cells work have been placed on the "illegal substance" list in many states. They even raided his company United Nuclear because he was selling these chemicals.

May 22nd, 2007:

Our Hydrogen Fuel System is not yet available for sale. There are legal problems with several components of the unit which is preventing its sale.
Until the legal proceedings are complete, we won't be moving forward the system.
Thank you all for your emails & support. The legal action is due to the actions of the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission) attempting to remove the necessary chemicals used in this system from public use.

United Nuclear Hydrogen

The excuse is that those same chemicals (especially sulfur) can be used to make illegal fireworks

I had a local chemistry teacher talk about how difficult it was to get sulfur, one of the main ingredients for most simple experiments. I was able to help him out and gave him a lot of my old lab equipment...

These days if the cops spot lab equipment in your garage... their first thought is you MUST be making drugs or fireworks... Its actually illegal now in some states to even own certain lab equipment.

Schools are taking out labs because of law suits over bunsen burner accidents and other liability issues and are now doing "kitchen chemistry" And try buying a decent chemistry set these days...

So it seems on the one hand the government is showing support... the DOE
and the other hand taketh away... CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission)

BTW when they went to Bob's house they stormed the place with assault rifles... the CPSC... the guys who are supposed to check if your toaster is safe...

Banned: The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments

[edit on 5-7-2007 by zorgon]

[edit on 5-7-2007 by zorgon]

The reason I think they would not want this out is because they wont be able to control it. Think about it once they show it works and people start to understand how it works they can build their own machines to power their homes and what not and thats the real threat they are concerned about because it will eventually make oil and gas obsolete and everyone can make their own machines we wouldnt need them anymore and it scares them.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by corsig
This could be amazing- I am a totally willing to except that the demo is delayed for whatever reason for a couple of days before jumping to conclusions.

Okay I was right it IS the same company...

Its even in Wikipedia

Steorn Ltd. is a small privately held technology development company based in Dublin, Ireland.

The company briefly drew the attention of the mainstream media in August 2006 by placing a full-page advertisement in The Economist, claiming to have developed a technology that produces "free, clean, and constant energy" and challenging the scientific community to review its claim.

SOURCE

AUGUST 2006!!! almost a year ago.... so I bet we will have to wait a lot longer. No if they were challenging scientists back then, would they not have had to have a working model to verify?

www.steorn.net... since 2000...

Here is an article dated Aug 18, 2006 about the last time they tried a demo

AUGUST 2006 PR Campaign

I need to get some air freshener...

Ok since you obviously JUST heard of these guys, I will fill you in some info you seem to be missing. I have been following this story as closely as possible since their first announcement last year.

1. There has never been a public demo and the last link you gave, that is about 'Aug 18, 2006 about the last time they tried a demo' has nothing to do with a public demo, for that reason.

2. If you follow the story going back, they invited top scientists to come to their labs and view PRIVATE demonstrations, without cameras, press, and all the distractions, so that they can see(and theoretically be the knowledgeable voice to assert to the rest of the scientific community)that the technology REALLY WORKS.

3. They said back then, that once the scientists were convinced, they would be making the big bad public demonstration of the same. When asked to ballpark when that might be, they said likely spring or summer of 2007.

For me, given they have been asking for scientific scrutiny(and obviously were happy with the results of the private scientific examination period), I have to say.... I cannot believe hoax on this one.

#1 They certainly believe it works, themselves.

#2 Knowing the scientific community and their boundless ego's, had anything been proven false or hoaxed during that rigorous examination phase, they would have come RUNNING out of there to tell everyone.

I'm not saying energy can be freely created, because of course that goes against the laws of physics. What I am saying is that in my opinion, if they are wrong, I believe they and the scientists who failed to debunk their work are making an honest mistake, at worst.

I don't smell hoax at all here.

[edit on 5-7-2007 by Alex Krycek]

it looks to me as if the machine is too small to generate any significant amount of power to begin with. i have a degree in electronics engineering and can say with 100% certainty that the heat from the cameras would not interfere with the magnetic fields, however i cannot speak for the rest of the device. im going to look into it more and see if i cant debunk it with real world numbers.

Originally posted by curiousbeliever
supposedly, this guy has proved Steorn is right:
part1: youtube.com...
part2: youtube.com...

I don't know what to make of it...

[edit on 5-7-2007 by curiousbeliever]

This is really interesting footage and great find. I am going to toy around with this information and maybe even put it to a real model of my own.

Thanks for posting it.