Steorn's Orbo "free-energy" machine demonstrated!

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I'm not so sure. The actual energy source of magnets has never been adequately explained by mainstream science IMO; so what if it turns out that permanent magnets are actually tapping into the abundant vacuum energy?

My guess is that it bends a nearby chunk of some little dimension we're not entirely hip to, and if we could figure out a way to snag onto it without expending a lot of energy moving wires around, we'd be onto something. Tricky stuff, though.

Originally posted by thedangler
There is another more updated version of Stephen Marks' video. Still the video is from the 90's; its his version of his TPU that is started with just a magnet. If you debunkers actually do research into the matter Stephen is or was in open discussions with ppl from an over unity forum. There you can read his Q and A section about his device without actually violating his contract with the company that bought his device. The FBI has told him to shut up lots of times, but he does give valid hints on how his device works.

He says it just uses the earths magnetic field and tunes into its frequency and amplifies it. His theory obviously works.

There are ppl making breakthroughs with his hints at overunity.com.

have fun debunkers.

For Christ's sake, do some research before you make yourself look so bad. The Earth's magnetic resonance is around 8 hertz. That's eight cycles a second. That means one whole cycle is 123,000,000 feet long.

Optimal antennas are one quarter the wavelength in size. One quarter the wavelength of the Earth's resonance is 30,750,000 feet.

That's 5823.8636 miles. Hell of an antenna. Don't think it would fit in his living room.



Ignorance Denied.

Originally posted by omelette

Lets say you had a machine like this that ran on magnets. If you took all the energy that was "created" by it and channeled it into creating more magnets for the next run, you would not be able to create magnets faster than you use them up. That means it is not free energy.

I do not consider this a valid argument. I think people get too hung up on the "free" word. If Steorn's gizmo was shown to work and it was later proven that it would only operate in a gravatic or magnetic field, would it still be classed as a Perpetual motion machine? I don't think so. It would afterall be tapping Earth energies, whose existence is beyond dispute.

Also, I was informed earlier in this thread that rare-earth magnets (Neodymium, Samarium Cobalt) lose their power "very quickly" when subjected to magnetic fields of other magnets in close proximity - as would occur in a generator for example.
What I have found after much searching is that it is indeed true for non rare-earth magnets, but it does NOT apply to the latest generation of supermagnets. The best explanation I have been able to find to explain why this is so is that the field strengths required to magnetise these materials need tens of thousands of amperes of current, so the magnetic field of an individual magnet is very puny indeed when compared to the field strength that created it, certainly far less than would be required to 'de-magnetise' fellow magnets.

Also, these magnets have been available for several years now, at least long enough to fulfill the "very quickly" timeframe period for being de-magnetised but I am a loss to find a single instance of this being documented.

Therefore, until someone can provide evidence to the contrary, this goes into my urban legend category.

In a single link en.wikipedia.org...

In materials science, the coercivity, also called the coercive field, of a ferromagnetic material is the intensity of the applied magnetic field required to reduce the magnetization of that material to zero after the magnetization of the sample has been driven to saturation. Coercivity is usually measured in oersted or ampere/meter units and is denoted HC.

Alnico, a common refrigerator magnet, requires about a field strength of 1500-2000 oersted to completely destroy the magnet. This gives us a low baseline to work from. Assuming a magnet becomes useless for its intended purpose at a state ABOVE 0, a fair guess is about 1/3 the original strength.

Therefore common refrigerator magnets would probably become useless when subjected to a field of 1155 oersted, rather than a whole 1500.

Neodymium Iron Boron magnets require approximately 10,000 oersted to reach 0 field. Assuming the magnet once again becomes fairly useless at one-third it's full saturation the numbers come up around 6600 oersted. These are not the strongest perm. magnets we can create.


Wiki references Samarium Cobalt magnets as their strongest example.
These magnets are, in the grand scheme of things, only slightly stronger than their NdFeB counterpart, with a required oersted of approx. 40,000 to reach 0 field strength. Once again, assuming once one-third of the magnet's saturation remains then approximately 26400 oersted is all that is required to render the magnet worthless.


Using the information above, if Samarium-Cobalt magnets were in use in such a Perendev Motor, then by subjecting them to their own field strength somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty thousand times, the magnet will have lost two thirds of it's work potential.

Magnets do not magically become exponentially more resilient because they require a flash field strength that is higher to destroy them. This is only a measure of the amount of useful work that can in theory be extracted from the magnet.

Engadget just posted an interview with Sean McCarthy, CEO of Steorn.

You can read it by clicking here.

Some interesting stuff talked about, worth a read for anyone following the "story."


[edit] Changed story to "story."

[edit on 17-7-2007 by The Big O]

Originally posted by WideBody
There is a simple problem with moving through a magnetic field.

The movement creates eddy currents or drag, and eventually the process will slow down and stop.

Sorry, high school physics again.

Indeed it does but the same effect is allegedly a key requirement in the operation of the Reed Motor (see earlier post).

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer

In a single link en.wikipedia.org...

Wikipedia was in fact the first place I looked.

And this article appears incomplete. This only references the 'normal' coercive field (Hc) - this field strength level will not permanently demagnetise a magnet, all it will do is nullify its effect as it is an equal but opposite level. Remove it and the magnet is exactly as it was.

The intrinsic coercive field (iHc) is the strength needed to permanently destroy the magnet and this will always be higher than Hc, normally far higher.

So while it may be possible for a large magnet to destroy a much smaller one quickly, I still believe that this will not happen in 'reality' where similar sized magnets would be used throughout a device.

Finally, I will just point out again that my only 'quibble' has to do with the economic viability of using rare-earth magnets in generators - having to replace the magnets "very quickly" (whatever that means...) is not going to be an issue (IMO).

stephen covos

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There has been a concerted effort to eliminate anything I may have to say
and to discount the validity of the technology.
This is done by attacking me rather then the demonstration as viewed in
the video tapes.
That is because most of the demonstrations I gave were to engineers and
scientists who confirmed the validity of the power generated by my
technology.
Lay people do not understand just how difficult if not impossible it would
be to fake what is shown in the video tapes of the demonstrations.
The video tapes were made with permission to record the historical events
as they unfolded.
However, some very misguided people took them and used them for evil.
Now that the video tapes are everywhere people have been trying to claim
they are the inventor or know the inventor etc.
Be assured that I have no associates except the those involved with the
corporation owning the technology and with Paul Stemm who has been
involved with the project longer then anyone else.
It is interesting that when we started to demonstrate the technology no
one believed that something so small could generate so much useable
power.
So they hired engineers and other technical people to confirm that indeed
the units did output the energy as viewed in the demonstration.
Since no one could discount the demonstrations of power, over time they
started to discount the validity of the technology by defaming me.
At first we did not understand this.
Why would people who did not see the demonstration or have never met
with me, go out of their way to create lies and post them on web sites
devoted to furthering alternative energy sources?
After a while it became quit clear that the billion dollar oil interests have
provided most of the effort to distort any potentially serious alternative to
the use of fossil fuels.
They even have the world governments in their pockets.
The technology is now owned by a corporation not in the United States,
and so that gives me a slight leverage in discussing my situation with you.
I see that you are in Australia.
I have had several dealings with people in Australia.
Some of them good and some of them bad.
There was one fellow who was claiming to be the inventor and selling 50
percent shares in his company to everyone he could find.
The problem has been that everyone with a copy of the famous
demonstration tapes is claming to have something to do with the
technology and is usually trying to exploit it in some way.
This only helps to create additional bad publicity for the technology and
certainly works for the benefit of the oil industries.
I assure you that I invented the technology over 15 years ago and that I
have never personally sought money for the technology.
The technology is not magic and is in fact uses simple electronic
concepts to achieve the demonstrated results.
Therein lays the rub...





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more...


"
It took several years of experimentation to discover what frequencies and
most importantly how to make small integrated circuits work to perform
the control functions necessary to make the demonstrations you see on
the video tapes available today.
So in many ways we have early RCA color TV engineers to thank for my
discovery of the power generator.
I am sure they are all dead now but they did contribute.
Perhaps a story which had impact on me at that time was told to me by
my boss way back in 1970 I believe it was.
He told me that around 1965 or 66 there was an explosion in an
apartment in Chicago.
the authorities had concluded that for some unknown reason, a General
Electric color television receiver had been the source of an explosion that
killed a young black child in the apartment.
My boss went on to relate that he was involved in the investigation
because he was in Chicago at the time and he was invaluably experienced
with television circuits and etc.
He told us that what they found was, the TV had exploded with some
quick furry.
The explosion did in fact kill the poor child who was sitting directly in front
but sparred his mother who was some distance away in the kitchen.
The explosion was strange because of the absence of expected chemicals
necessary to create the explosion.
It appeared that the TV was the exact center of the explosion, however no
one could find a reason for the explosion occurring.
Also consider that there is not really much inside a TV to explode with
enough force to kill people and destroy the living room a large apartment.
Yes a CRT can explode and kill someone, however this was not the kind of
explosion we are talking about.
The most interesting part of the story is that according to our boss,
metallic objects especially those containing large amounts of iron were
dramatically displaced.
He mentioned that some nails were actually removed from the walls and
pulled toward the TV set.
When they found them they were bent and shaped like cork screws!
Everything in the room appeared to have moved or was moving toward
the TV as it exploded, or imploded as the case may be.
The child was apparently killed by way of these metallic objects traveling
through his body on their way toward the center of the TV set.
As far as my boss knew, there was never a good explanation for the
occurrence.
We found out that this was not the only unexplained explosion of TV sets
worldwide.
However, the fact that all the sets exploded while in operation may bear
some light.
Also most of the TV sets were made by the GE company or were TV sets
made using GE circuits and of similar design.
However, this man who had been my mentor for so many years had his
own theory which he never told anyone as far as i know, except me.
His theory was that the TV while in operation, somehow managed
to become a receiver of more then just television waves and so for
a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a
huge amount of electrical and magnetic energy.
This discharge of magnetic energy is vary similar to the discharge
of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. . .
Now that is something I have thought about a great deal.
My employer's words had great impact on me.
Not that they meant anything really, but I kept thinking about the
possibility of many frequencies combining at one moment in time
to produce an entirely different effect then intended by the
designers.
And so it goes.
Some of the reasons why I thought about things the way I did and
perhaps why I set out to think along the lines I did when I discovered the
power generator technology.
Or more appropriately, the power converter technology, because that is
actually what it does you know.
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and one more just for fun

"
You cannot understand how good it does my heart to hear from someone
who has an understanding of almost exactly the situation.
My device is compared to batteries in order to give an idea of the power
available and also to show how impossible it is to assume that I may have
hidden batteries inside the unit to make the power.
You would be surprised how many idiots thought that batteries could be
inside making all that electric power!
It is very possible to generate electric power from the earth's magnetic
field.
Think about the fact that in just one revolution, the Earth generates
enough electric power to supply North America with all it needs for over
100 years!
All we have to do is tap into that energy and all our energy wishes come
true.
I found the secret when I read in some books about electron
tubes.
I was a TV repair man as well.
Back in the days of electron tubes.
The good old days I think.
In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured
In a wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first
electrons are caused to flow in it.
This was explained because the earth's magnetic field exerted
some influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it.
Or rather the electrons on the surface of the wire.
Even today you can find examples of discussion of this fact even in non
scientific journals.
If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page
262 he says,
The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the
earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.
SMALL KICK.
Those words mean a great deal.
It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the
earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible.
They say that you cannot get more out of something then you put into it.
Then I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on. . .
There in lies the secret my friend.
Brian Collins was a sad unfortunate human being who suffered from bad
health and a tremendous desire to acquire millions of dollars no matter
what he had to say or do..
**** **** was level headed but he worried me because he was a retired
wing commander from the Australian Air command, and so had some
extreme government connections.
He was the first person to tell me about all of the shenanigans Brian was
up to.
I met with Scott several times in the United States before we lost touch.
I do not remember anyone named *** ****.
I did meet with a representative of the Western Australia Power company
who was very enthusiastic about my technology.
He brought testing equipment with him for my demonstration but never
used it.
He said that he knew more then enough about electricity to verify that
what he saw with his own eyes in person was the real generation of
tremendous amounts of electric power from some unseen source.
I should have put that in quotes I guess.
He was a wonderful guy and I shall never forget how impressed he was.
Unfortunately I can't remember his name at the moment.
Yes, Brian had absolutely no idea what made the thing tick.
And I had absolutely no idea what made Brian go and do the crazy things
he did.
But one thing is certain and that is... he did a great disservice to me and
my invention.
No one takes it seriously no matter what kind of demonstration I may do.
I have even offered to electrocute a cow to prove it works but no one
even wants to see anything anymore. . . thanks to Brian Collins and
others of his mind set.
I would disagree with you about one point.
Being that I believe there to be a concerted effort to delay any potential
technology entering the market place by those who my be adversely
affected.
My first invention was a Highbred electric automobile way back in 1978.
I knew that the automotive heat stroke engine was unbelievably
inefficient.
Calculations told me that it only took about 15 horsepower to keep a
vehicle on the highway at 60 mph but we needed 40 hp or more to
accelerate the vehicle.
To accelerate it well we needed 100 HP.
So if we design the automobile with a large hp engine to accelerate the
vehicle adequately we waste a great deal of energy when the large heat
pump engine is only required to produce 15 hp to .
cruse at 60 mph on the highway.
My solution was to find the smallest and most efficient engine I could
possibly find and couple it to a storage system which could be used for
and to provide for acceleration to cruising speeds..
The idea was simple and elegant at the same time.
I found my first experiments very encouraging.
I took a 20 hp 4 stroke gasoline engine coupled to a 48 volt generator
coupled to two banks of storage batteries coupled to a 48 volt aircraft
starter motor connected to the transmission of a ford Fairmont
automobile.
The Ford worked well.
It did not have blazing acceleration but was definitely adequate.
You could drive it around town all day and on the highway at 60 MPH it
would burn 1 gallon of fuel for every 50 miles you traveled.
That is very good for a 3800 Lb. Ford at 60 MPH which on it's best day
would have only achieved about 18 mpg.
I had proven my idea would work so I set out to refine it.
I needed a more efficient primover and I needed a more efficient electrical
conversion system.
I found a wonderful 2-stroke gasoline engine that would put out 25 hp on
one gallon for 3.5 hours.
I then coupled that engine to 4- twelve volt automotive alternators run in
series into 4-12 volt banks of batteries.
Now I had a super efficient gasoline engine with a very efficient electric
energy conversion system.
The car now accelerated very well using the extra power stored in the
battery banks and cruised at 65 MPH using 18 HP and leaving an extra 5
to 7 HP output from the 25 hp Gasoline engine to keep the batteries
charged up to capacity for acceleration when necessary.
I added a governor to control the gasoline engine to throttle back when
necessary and save fuel.
You could drive it over town and high way all day.
It worked wonderfully and achieved 320 MPG when driven on a trip from
Los Angeles to Las Vegas Nevada, a distance of several hundred miles.
The car was a great success publicly and I invited Chrysler, Ford and
General Moters...

there is 63 pages of that talk. so i wont post it all. you can find the rest at overunity.com


lots of ppl are making them over there trying to get it working.

Originally posted by thedangler
there is 63 pages of that talk. so i wont post it all. you can find the rest at overunity.com


lots of ppl are making them over there trying to get it working.

Ridiculously typed. Didn't read.

sorry, they were letters as is. i did not edit them in any way so if you dont like the format go read them on the website.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm, you seem to have ignored Springers latest "bum-stick" about plagiarism.......


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Springer
Going forward, if you post something that is not 100% your own writing or work you must use the QUOTE BOX TAG, post NO MORE THAN 15% of the original (or three paragraphs, whichever is least), and GIVE A LINK TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL. If the work you are posting is not on the internet, from a book for example, you MUST give a credit for that Book ( the title), its Author and Publisher.

[edit on 17-7-2007 by Tiloke]

Originally posted by Bumr055
that looks interesting. I have thought about how to make one of these many a times. Would benefit everyone but.. allot of people would lose money and it could cause chaos.

which is exactly why this type of technology would not and could not be allowed release yet. think about it, if energy was free among the first technology bases to crumble would be electric companies and gasoline providers, most specifically gas for automobiles.

its the type of thing that would make the concept of goods and services feel one step closer to the trash bin. Like torrent sites and the movie companies or like napster and music....and we all know how napster got the axe right??

jesus, first never post so much. quote the best part and link the rest....seriously. second, dont ever post so much without proof reading...thnx.

Originally posted by SuicideVirus

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I'm not so sure. The actual energy source of magnets has never been adequately explained by mainstream science IMO; so what if it turns out that permanent magnets are actually tapping into the abundant vacuum energy?

My guess is that it bends a nearby chunk of some little dimension we're not entirely hip to, and if we could figure out a way to snag onto it without expending a lot of energy moving wires around, we'd be onto something. Tricky stuff, though.

im going to go out on a limb here and say that fooling with technology in such a way seems like it would have consequences on either our side, the other side, and quite possibly both. especially if the technology were to be misunderstood and/or manipulated.

Originally posted by subject x
I guess the "on-line demonstration" is supposed to start at 6:00 tonight.
I'll have to take a look at that.

If this is the real deal, the next few years will be very interesting.
That's a real big "if", though.

if the limitless energy of this model works as they intend in the applications of commercial and private utility, the world as we know it will have less of a need for money. granted it will probably never dispense with money, but in so far as your electricity bill is concerned, your car, and probably any portable devices you might have always wanted to carry batteries for on your person just in case, the world as we know it might soon flip upside down...who knows how far this could take us?

Originally posted by Averysmallfoxx
jesus, first never post so much. quote the best part and link the rest....seriously. second, dont ever post so much without proof reading...thnx.

Ahem......

Jesus, first, never quadruple post. Use the edit button that appears in your posts......seriously.
Second, how the hell can you complain about his proof-reading when your posts are devoid of capitalization and punctuation.


[edit on 18-7-2007 by Tiloke]

if this infinite energy source becomes available, then all we need now are AI robots to grow food and build homes and sew clothing for all 6.5 billion of us. Then we could have a socialist-capitialist hybrid society where our necessities are free (food, shelter, water, heat, A/C) while having a job would be optional and we'd spend our money on entertainment. Jobs would be creative occupations and occupations that make advances in science/technology. Almost sounds like Star Trek.

This debate is meaningless. Please call me when we can buy free energy electric motors at a hardware store.

It seems there are thousands of free energy inventors out there...I wonder why no one has succeeded in marketing a product!

(rhetorical question, don't bother to reply. And don't say that these people are being chased by the government. They ain't. They are too many to be chased around, and they are not only American).