John Lear is Agent Condor - CIA?

OK,

It doesn't seem to me that John is the Man of the moment with the CIA!

Hey John, did they fly that bird back to Minessota Air Guard Museum? And why did they want her so bad?

If Virginia had to return her, then it just goes to show that you certainly aren't working for the CIA today, and even your response against the snatching of the bird and I quote: "This is a royal rip-off," suggests that you are certainly not allied with that particular agency.

For those who have absolutely no idea of what I am going on about, feel free to read this article, dated 23rd February, 2007...

uschambercongress.illumen.org...

Once I read up some more about you, I hope you won't mind my asking you questions


[edit on 30/6/2007 by deaman88]

So John,.....in a nutshell............where do you have more friends?

At ATS we are a "band", an "army", .....an army of people who seek the truth.

I ask you ONE simple question....Whos side are you on?

If you are on OUR side, then please, GIVE US A SIGN. Tell us the REAL truth.

If you are on THEIR side, be a real man and just admit it.

If you have no reply.........YOU ARE A SPY

I'M PISSED OFF WITH YOU!.......I Don't want to be!!

Show us your worth..........................................................................

Onc a company man, always a company man I heard a relative say that once. He was in vietnam in the late 50'/early 60's and worked for an agency until the md 80's. Awesome stories.

Lear has a colorful history and family tree. So, when you ran weapons what kind of drugs were on board?

In my days you trusted people and you believed in there word. I know in this day and age it doesn't work that way.

Since John is OLDER then me I think I trust that his word is his bond.

I would think if you had a problem with John in any way, you would handle it through U2U's or the three Amigo's.

You are claiming John Lear is Agent Condor- CIA where is you proof????
It's not nice to try and destroy a man's name you know.

I do not believe John is working for the shop. Air America pilots, and contract pilots are just that pilots with a clearence casue of what they are carrying. They fly point to point. Also I do not think what John states is very good disinfo. Some of the theorys are pretty out there and if it was disinfo I think it would be more believeable in ways. Plausibility has always been the corner stone of disinfo IMO.

If this is your only evidence then it is totally inadequate. Less evidence than there is that the neocons pulled off 9/11.

Do you think its possible John is mentally ill. Im not trying to be funny but what is the deal. Some of the stuff he talks about is just....uhhh I dont know.

Hey Sauron. I'm responding to you after being privy to page three of this thread. Don't think John Lear is anything close to what's been supposed here.
I again wonder why Dr Love sticks so close by Mr Lear in thread discussions? Perhap's DL is justs straight infatuated with John, not hard to understand, seems to me Mr Lear's a brilliant mind.
I have wondered if John Lear's either been compromised or made some sort of agreement with the US Under powers?

As I suggested once or more before. If Mr Lear says EBEs are here and says more about them to that, I'd believe.

EDIT: I'd still like to know about John's knowledge of William English, specifically Mr Englishes experience re the B52 sitting in the jungle of vietnam?

Dallas

[edit on 1-7-2007 by Dallas]

Originally posted by earth2
Do you think its possible John is mentally ill. Im not trying to be funny but what is the deal. Some of the stuff he talks about is just....uhhh I dont know.

From what i gather through reading his posted material as well as online interviews...he is quite the opposite of beeing mentally ill. Presenting daring ideas that challenge "common sense" is a very good thing because it nudges our way of thinking forward. John is not always right and he admits so, which also is a sign of a healty mind.

I also don't think that John is mentally ill.

In a reply I posted above, I compared him to someone like David Icke (who I also don't think is mentally ill.....just a bit deluded, and off on his own wavelength)

Although I have to admit that I think that John has more credibility in my mind than the likes of David Icke.

And just like David Icke, who, in my opinion, completely invalidated himself with his claim to be the 'Son of God'.....but has quite a good knowledge base about the workings of the illuminati, etc,

I think John is quite probably a 'genuine' person, who also has quite a good knowledge base about some things. However, I think he, too, wanders off into some 'new age' nonsense at times.....probably things which he himself has been told by other people, and chooses to believe them.

Like most other people, he puts forward some good, valid points, but mixed in with it are things that I find, quite frankly, to be just too 'fantastic'.

I still don't think he is a CIA disinfo agent, though...just someone who has wandered 'off track' a little in some of the things he says.


And, as I said before........just my opinion.

Originally posted by Dallas
I again wonder why Dr Love sticks so close by Mr Lear in thread discussions? Perhap's DL is justs straight infatuated with John, not hard to understand, seems to me Mr Lear's a brilliant mind.

John is a burning hot hunk of man meat and I just can't get enough of him and his well cropped hair.

Seriously though, I find it quite an honor to be able to talk to a guy as famous as John Lear on a day to day basis.

Edit: And let me say something else, it's obvious that John has balls based on all his accomplishments, and I respect any person with balls. You don't have to believe everything he says, but you have to respect the man.

Peace

[edit on 1-7-2007 by Dr Love]

I can see John now as in one of the interviews that he has done from his home.

He's in his office in his shorts sitting behind his desk all his TV are on and he starts reading this thread, he sits back and chuckles shaking his head back and forth thinking oh, God help me

Originally posted by observe50
I can see John now as in one of the interviews that he has done from his home.

He's in his office in his shorts sitting behind his desk all his TV are on and he starts reading this thread, he sits back and chuckles shaking his head back and forth thinking oh, God help me

hahaha yeah me too = )

No. In no way, shape or form. My last load of arms was out of Athens, Greece to Johannesburg. October 22, 1981. Interesting date. Look it up.


Thats my exact birthday lol, I wonder whats so interesting about that day?

John Lear is a retired airline pilot, just as he says. not C.I.A. Lots of pilots did contract flying for the "company" back in the 60s-70s. I have a friend who spent 3 years doing it in Vietnam. John says he is not working for the feds, so believe him. He deserves respect regardless of what you think of his beliefs or opinions. If he wants to answer a question "I don't know", it's a perfectly valid response too. It seems every week or two someone wants to challenge John Lear on this subject. His answers are consistent every time.






[edit on 7/1/2007 by TheAvenger]

Originally posted by nerbot
So John,.....in a nutshell............where do you have more friends?

At ATS we are a "band", an "army", .....an army of people who seek the truth.

I ask you ONE simple question....Whos side are you on?

If you are on OUR side, then please, GIVE US A SIGN. Tell us the REAL truth.

If you are on THEIR side, be a real man and just admit it.

If you have no reply.........YOU ARE A SPY

I'M PISSED OFF WITH YOU!.......I Don't want to be!!

Show us your worth..........................................................................

Unfortunatly he doesn't owe you anything, no matter how pissed off you are.

[edit on 1-7-2007 by Brxan]

Originally posted by deaman88

Hey John, did they fly that bird back to Minessota Air Guard Museum? And why did they want her so bad?

The Minnesota ANG never got the plane back.

"They" wanted the Minnesota bird because it was totally and completely restored with original equipment. The bottom line is that Gen. Michael Wynne, Secretary of the Air Force, Gen. Michael Hayden, Director of the CIA and Gen Charles D. Metlcalf, Director National Museum of the Air Force conspired to hijack/steal the airplane to put up on a stick at CIA headquarters where no civilian will ever see it again. It had been totally restored and was on public display at the Minnesota ANG Museum. They could have just as easily used any of the 3 birds in Alabama. But no, they wanted to steal the best, because they could get away with it. It was a military ripoff of the highest order.

Oh. I also got kicked out of Roadrunners over it. Here are some excerpts from their letter to me.

TO JOHN LEAR:

John, why am I not surprised being copied on a message to your lawyers and the media concerning a matter between the Air Force, CIA, and the Minnesota National Guard? You state: “----I take issue that this representation would be with the hijacked MANGMF bird.” HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU LOGICALLY, LEGALLY, OR OTHERWISE ALLEGE HIJACK FROM THE MINNESOTA AIR NATIONAL GUARD HISTORICAL FOUNDATION, INC. AND/OR JIM GOODALL? MANGMF is a private organization and Jim Goodall is a former Minnesota Air National Guard Master Sergeant who served as a part time historian. I don’t imagine the Minnesota Air National Guard appreciates you getting involved in behalf of MANGMF and Goodall any more than the Air Force, CIA, and certainly us Roadrunners.

Until recent events, the Roadrunners remained passive, but supportive in the Agency’s quest for an A-12 to memorialize the legacy of the CIA and us Roadrunners by installing one of our planes at CIA Headquarters to coincide with the CIA’s celebration of 60 years of gallant service to our nation. It came as a great shock and disappointment when you and Jim Goodall chose to publicly challenge rather than embrace the placement of the A-12 at CIA Headquarters as a reminder of our roles during the Cold War.

As I stated earlier, the selection of the plane and the moving of it are matters between the Air Force, CIA, and the Minnesota National Guard. There is no need for you, Jim Goodall, the media, the Senate, or the House of Representatives to get involved. I’m sure these entities have their own attorneys, so your attorneys can stand down. The stripping of the plane to screw with the CIA as reportedly bragged about by Goodall to the Wall Street Journal, et al is a matter between him and the law enforcement authorities. The distortion of the truth alleging hijackings and the role of the Roadrunners in the A-12 project and operations being published to the media and politicians is a matter that concerns the Roadrunners. Alerting our membership about this attack upon their legacy is not libelous as you stated. Patriotism or leadership would be more appropriate descriptions.

John, you must understand that Jim Goodall’s leaving a couple years ago did not cause our association to mourn any loss. A replacement for him was not necessary. We’ll just say the goals of Goodall and the Roadrunners had a phase difference of 180 degrees and that our missions were totally incompatible. We do not appreciate you forcing us to even discuss Goodall as you have in your widely distributed message to which I have to respond herein.

As you know the mission of Roadrunners Internationale is: “Preserving the history of the aviation pioneers and programs that developed the U-2, A-12 and YF-12 during the Cold War. The high water marks of aeronautical development.”

Like Goodall, You have chosen to challenge our mission and goals in the media. Using the media as a propaganda tool is totally unacceptable to an association of men and women who didn’t even tell their spouses what or where they were for over forty years. You voluntarily provided very public support of Jim Goodall’s likewise public call for our Senate and House of Representatives to transfer full and complete title (privatize) an A-12 spyplane, knowing it would probably end up for sale to the highest bidder on E-Bay or otherwise like the Dash One. Had you not told the media that you were calling upon your daddy’s good friend, Senator Harry Reid, to intervene, I probably would not have bothered to mention it in the newsletter. You forced our hand on that one.

During the past week your publicized interference and stated intent were brought before the Membership Committee of Roadrunners Internationale who determined your motives and goals for associate membership in our association to be severely incompatible and intolerable. Consequently, please be informed that your associate membership has been revoked and you are hereby severed from the rolls of our association effective immediately.


TD Barnes
President & Webmaster
Roadrunners Internationale
roadrunnersinternationale.com...
area51specialprojects.com...

Originally posted by Dallas

I'd still like to know about John's knowledge of William English, specifically Mr Englishes experience re the B52 sitting in the jungle of vietnam?

Dallas

Dallas,

The following is the statement I made after I met Bill and subsequently copied and sent out his notes of Grudge 13.

Regarding the details of the B-52 sitting in the jungle, rather than go into the gruesome details I will just say that the crew was found in the exact same condition as cattle are after a mutilation. If you want specific details then google 'cattle mutilations'.

This concluded Bill English's statement which was transcribed
from 2 cassette tapes. I obtained this hand written memorandum in
August of 1987 from Paul Bennewitz during my visit with him in
Albuquerque. In September of 1988 I received a call from Bill
English. I asked for a chance to meet him and discuss the Grudge
13 report. He said that this could be arranged but that the
meeting would have to be on his terms for security reasons. He
explained that there had been several attempts on his life by
persons unknown since he had made the cassette tapes about six
years ago. We arranged a meeting at a small airport in Virginia
on September 16. I was to sit in the lobby with my black flight
bag and for identification purposes I told Bill what I would be
wearing.l I had no telephone number for Bill.

As I walked into the small airport lobby after about a three hour
drive from Richmond, I immediately noticed 2 gentlemen who seemed
`out of place' for this locale. Both were wearing pin striped 3
piece suits, both had on dark glasses. One was a black gentleman.
One was stationed inside the lobby door looking out at the
parking lot, one was leaning up against an airline counter. I sat
down and after a few minutes was approached by a tall, bearded
man in jeans and a heavy jacket. He asked if I wanted to have a
drink. We walked outside and he introduced himself as Bill
English. We drove in Bill's car into town to a local bar. About
five minutes after we ordered and started to talk, the men I had
seen at the airport came into the bar and sat down. We left for
Bill's house and never saw the men again for the next 2 days.

During the next two days I stayed with Bill and his wife and two
children in a small trailer in the middle of a field at his farm.
I asked him endless questions concerning the Grudge 13 document,
how he happened to see it, what happened to him after he saw it
and literally thousands of questions about the content of the
document. My impression of Bill English was that he was totally
honest, that he stood behind his statements and recollection of
the Grudge 13 papers, that he was a devoted husband and father
to his wife's 2 children. That Bill English was ready to come
forward and enter into any debate regarding the legitimacy of the
document and his recollections thereof. Of Bill`s compassion for
his father and his father's feelings concerning Bill and the
reasons for their occasional disagreements. I have tremendous
respect for Bill and what he has tried to do in getting this
information out to the public. It has been at tremendous personal
risk, not to mention the ridicule by sponsored agents such as
Bill Moore, who has stated that the Grudge 13 papers were a
fraud.

What follows is additional information about the Grudge 13 papers
that I obtained from Bill during my visit. In addition to the
following Bill painstakingly drew many sketches of the photos of
different types of flying saucers, the equipment obtained from
them including a sketch of the football sized nuclear generator
and sketches of the autopsy photos.

From my notes taken during our 2 day meeting: Bill described
a photo taken of 3 live aliens. Very clear photos, aliens
standing against a white tile wall, looking confused as if they
had been shoved, were looking in different directions.
Report said that aliens had contacted a U.S. Intelligence
Agency for initial 2 meetings, one at Holloman, one at Homestead.
U.S. Air Force relocation personnel (for persons involved in
close encounters) were referred to as `Men in Black'.
Major Cunningham was initially accused of murdering Sgt.
Jonathan P. Lovette. Charges were later dropped.
Bill English's place of employment in England was Security
Services Command, RAF Chicksands.
Entire Grudge 13 Report was written as if report was geared
toward preparation of defenses.
Report told of ultrasonic weapons found in Germany at the
end of WWII that could shatter 4" thick armor.
Report told of sensitive military and industrial areas at
which personnel have experienced missing time.
Report told about missing time experienced with personnel
associated with North American X-15 rocket plane project.
Report stated that there were 17 different species accounted
for up to the time of the report.
Extraterrestrials were referred to as A.L.F.'s. Alien Life
forms in the report.
Report referred to one UFO that was recovered and test
flown. The UFO blew up as the two Air Force pilots aboard
attempted to leave the atmosphere. English recalls the date as in
the mid 50's.
Report refers to flying saucer program as `Project Red
Light' and that a secret installation had been constructed in the
middle of the Atomic Energy Commission testing ground in Nevada.
At the time of the report 11 alien cadavers were being kept
at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
That additional alien cadavers were being stored at 4 to 5
other medical institutions.
That 2 flying saucers of extraterrestrial origin had been
tested in the wind tunnel at langley, Va.
That at the time of the report one disc was being stored at
McDill Air Force Base, Florida.
That at the time of the report, 1 damaged disc was at Eglin
Air Force Base in Florida.
That at the time of the report that had been 2 UFO incidents
at Ft. Riley, Kansas.
That at the time of the report a detachment of the Alpha
Recovery Team was based at Randolph Air Force Base.
The report discussed civilian and military personnel who had
been terminated `to eliminate potentially dangerous elements to
the national security'.
The General James Doolittle had been mentioned several times
in the report with the notation that "his (Doolittle's)
predictions might be correct". There was no indication of what
those predictions might have been.
A short segment containing the quotation. "By presidential
order, certain aspects of research have been undertaken".

I don't know guys, if John Lear was a cia agent and was acting otherwise wouldn't ATS admins. ban him? This is a simple violation of the Terms and conditions to knowingly spread disinfo. Therefore, if he was, The three amigos would be on top of it for sure. They certainly wouldn't give him his own forum knowing he's a liar, he's much more credible than a large variety of characters on here

Originally posted by flice

Anything to do with The Seychelles affair?

I don't know. I don't know what the Seychelles affair was anyway. I flew arms from A to B. Thats all I knew. Sometimes, years later, I wold read a story in a newspaper and realize what was going on. But in the case of the Joburg flight I never knew anything.

Once in a while we would grab a newspaper that had a story of what we were doing like this one from the Saudi Gazette:



After this newspaper story came out we called ourselves "the mystery crew".

Here we are in downtown Budapest, I am 5th from the right in the grey jacket.