New British PM Gordon Brown promises change in first speech

New British PM Gordon Brown promises change in first speech

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"This is my promise to all of the people of Britain. And now let the work of change begin. Thank you.”

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Gordon Brown is officially the Prime Minister of England...
His initial speech enthralling, welcome Gordon Brown , " And now let the work of change begin..
Leading Mason in the big boys... change begin??? you better believe it!!!

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When he said my promise, he did this really creepy fake smile, as if he was lying, if someone has a clip they can see it, weird haha.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
When he said my promise, he did this really creepy fake smile, as if he was lying, if someone has a clip they can see it, weird haha.

Oh i believe him alright, there is no doubt about that... very powerful, he is more relevant than Blair.. even though he too is a big player..
Game seems to be advancing quickly..

I don't know all the English inquisitors thoughts on British politics. I do hope and support our British friends across the pond all respect and success with your new PM Gordon Brown.

Tip of the Hat to our British friends and toward great success and satisfaction of their new Britain representative, Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Dallas

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Gordon Brown is officially the Prime Minister of England...

England does'nt have a Prime Minister, Gordon Brown is the Prime Minister of the
United Kingdom of Great Britain (England, Wales & Scotland) and Northern Ireland.

Yes, correct, of course he is PM of all of Britain, but he is there as front man as the Queen of England's Government, with the devolution that happens now, Irelands, Scotlands and Welsh's first Ministers.. The PM is definitely the most important person in all of these countries, but true, yeah, he runs the English Queens , British Government..
Those of us that are English, will still say that we are English.. Even the Queen stays as Queen of England, however Britannia is the Empire of our Queen.

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Those of us that are English, will still say that we are English.. Even the Queen stays as Queen of England, however Britannia is the Empire of our Queen.

She's not the Queen of England, she's the Queen of the United Kingdom. England doesn't have a separate monarch and hasn't since the crowns of England and Scotland were united in the Act of Union three hundred years ago - no excuse for getting this wrong, since it happened well before any of us were born!

Thanks for pointing out the stuff on him being the Prime Minister of the UK, Iori - saves me a job

Also, I was born and live in England but consider myself British, not English.

[edit on 28/6/07 by Ste2652]

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Leading Mason in the big boys... change begin??? you better believe it!!!

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You have proof of him being a Mason ?

In March 1981, the Italian police found a list of the 962 members of the Due Masonic lodge - P2, for short - of which the Licio Gelli was the Grand Master.

The list contained the names of three ministers, 43 members of parliament, 43 generals, eight admirals, secret service chiefs, hundreds of top bureaucrats and diplomats, the police commanders of Italy's four largest cities, industrialists and financiers, the editor and publisher of the newspaper Corriere della Sera and 24 other journalists and TV personalities.

The UK's Independent newspaper, 21st January 1995, reported that in the UK the Masons were an organization 300,000 strong, represented at the top of the police force, in the government, the House of Lords, the high court, banking, the boardrooms of the largest companies and every part of the establishment.

Gordon Brown is reportedly a freemason.

One lodge recruits only from the Ministry of Defense, among high-ranking officers, and the senior management of the arms industry.


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[edit on 28-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

Originally posted by Ste2652

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Those of us that are English, will still say that we are English.. Even the Queen stays as Queen of England, however Britannia is the Empire of our Queen.

She's not the Queen of England, she's the Queen of the United Kingdom. England doesn't have a separate monarch and hasn't since the crowns of England and Scotland were united in the Act of Union three hundred years ago - no excuse for getting this wrong, since it happened well before any of us were born!

Thanks for pointing out the stuff on him being the Prime Minister of the UK, Iori - saves me a job

Also, I was born and live in England but consider myself British, not English.

[edit on 28/6/07 by Ste2652]

Good for you, but i disagree.. Queen Elizabeth is most definitely the Queen of England and i most definitely think of myself as English.
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[edit on 28-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

Originally posted by Fowl Play

Gordon Brown is reportedly a freemason.
[edit on 28-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

Ahh I see. 'reportedly'.

I am reportedly very very rich..............................

Originally posted by Fowl Play

Gordon Brown is reportedly a freemason.
[edit on 28-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

Ahh I see. 'reportedly'.

I am reportedly very very handsome..............................

What is the difference between being British and being English?

I really dont know.

I am reportedly the Dolce and Gabanna of Tempe, Arizona

[edit on 28-6-2007 by dgtempe]

Gordon Brown's Prime Ministerial speech was certainly very powerful in it's message of accountable government and the citizen being served by a servant state, sentiments most in keeping with todays Labour Party and their socialistic ethos. He will also bring in a new ministerial code of conduct to promote accountability in order to build the trust of the British people in our democracy.

Similar rules on ethical behaviour and openness exist for our own local councillors and council officers. Councillors are obliged to declare their orientations on a Register of Interests but with one disturbing ommission, freemasonry.

Back in the 90's Jack Straw, the then Home Secretary, went as far as making Judges declare their interest in the ancient fraternal order along with Police and Judiciary, magistrates, crown prosecuters, prison staff and probation officers. Why then not councillors and council officers ?

The Home Office stated that 'Masonic Lodges were run on the basis of mutual advancement and favour swapping'. Mr Straw added 'Members of Secret Societies such as freemasonry can raise suspicions of a lack of impartiality or objectivity. It is therefore important the public should know the facts'. If it was important for people in public service then to be open and above board why is it not important now ? Why do public servants we want to trust hold back on something so vital?
The power and symbology in his speech was awe inspiring... im all for him, enter the new Don Corleone of The New World Order... it is the right time..

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Good for you, but i disagree.. Queen Elizabeth is most definitely the Queen of England and i most definitely think of myself as English.

The national identity thing is pretty irrelevant because it differs from person to person (I simply included that to demonstrate that not everyone in England thinks of themselves as English), but Her Majesty is the monarch of the entire UK, not just England, whether you agree or not. She just is - legally and constitutionally

Originally posted by dgtempe
What is the difference between being British and being English?

British is the collective identity of everyone in the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland). English is the identity of people from England (a country within the UK, since England and the UK are not the same thing - England is basically the equivalent of a single US state, whereas UK is the name of the entire nation much like United States is used to describe the fifty states as a whole. So saying someone is from England or Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is a bit like saying someone is from Texas, California, Florida, Virginia... and so forth. Saying someone is from the UK/Britain is the equivalent of saying someone is from the US/America and 'British' is equivalent to 'American'). I hope you're from the United States (or understand how it works ) otherwise that comparison is pretty worthless!

We're sort of going through a bit of an identity crisis at the moment which hasn't been helped by devolution, but we'll see how things go.

[edit on 28/6/07 by Ste2652]

Originally posted by Ste2652

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Good for you, but i disagree.. Queen Elizabeth is most definitely the Queen of England and i most definitely think of myself as English.

The national identity thing is pretty irrelevant because it differs from person to person (I simply included that to demonstrate that not everyone in England thinks of themselves as English), but Her Majesty is the monarch of the entire UK, not just England, whether you agree or not. She just is - legally and constitutionally

I never disputed the fact that she was Queen of elsewhere, it is common knowledge and therefore expected others to know, but my statement that she is the Queen of England is correct.




[edit on 28-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

From this day forward, I will refer to the PM of the UK as "Mr. Bean".

That would be rather foolish then, as this guy is a major player, he is the leader of a New World Order. Time for a change? You know it....

Hi Fowl play

Queen Lizzie is not the queen of England, Ste2652 is right.

British monarchy

Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom

Off topic i know but the UK is the UK after all. I consider myself Scottish but also British. At no point would i say that the queen is the queen of Scotland, she's not, she's the queen of the United Kingdom. Therefore, by the same definition she is not the queen of England either.

When the crowns were united in 1603, James VI of Scotland became James I and ruled what became the United Kingdom.

After this point there was no more king / queen of England, Scotland etc...

Anyway, dont even get me started on Gordon Brown.......