[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

I agree, and I cant believe this chad/isaac thing is going on so long.
I wanna punch that idiot for ruining the small shreds of credability UFO enthusiasts have.

If your reading this man lets go at it...tool.

Originally posted by j_kalin
PT Barnum was right, there is a sucker born every minute and 2 to take his money. CGI is getting very good; in the right cases, it is not apparent that something is CGI, such as a picture of a machine part. Logic never fails. Use your mind. This is a load of BS!


[edit on 27-6-2007 by j_kalin]

Mod Edit to remove excessive quote

[edit on 27-6-2007 by Crakeur]

This site is being paid for by someone, which means they used a credit card, which is easily traced. It would only take 6,000 views of ONE full size picture to exceed the bandwith limit of 3GB on the free accounts. It's a hoax or they are really really stupid.

Originally posted by NGC2736
Just a thought here. Does anyone see the parallel to GR in that statement about seeing what was true and what wasn't?

I seem to recall GR saying almost the exact same thing.

Hmmmmmmmm?????????

That's what i'm trying to do, there are too many similarities here from the time waster GR and it's too coincidental that one thread get's debunked only for this to be produced for us, there is a link here.

Your GR/Isaac connection does not make much sense, imo. GR was an ATS phenomenon, Isaac initially had nothing in common with ATS, he posted to C2C.

Also, the entire Drone thing is going on for far too long now, and if this is a hoax, i would guess, that Isaac is one of or the initiator of the complete thing.

What i'm personally missing is the money. For a "Fun" Hoax, this is very very elaborated and even if someday it will be 100% certain, that it is indeed a hoax, i still would thank the hoaxers for a great load of entertainment.

[edit on 27-6-2007 by Phil J. Fry]

Sorry again guys for the single liner, but as 'they' do "hide it in plain sight", then perhaps the T shape watermark stands for TEST?

Someone crack one of these open in a hex editor or check the image info in Irfranview or something. Although, if someone's opened it, brightened/etc it and then saved it again, without preserving the orignial info, it might be lost or changed, so even if someone notes it says "Created with PowerShot G3" it doesn't necessarily mean anything (well the G3 thing would of course, but you get me).

In regards to the documents.

If you take the document and turn the contrast way down you will see the watermark, also if you look at the text you will notice noise around the text making it look like it was cut and paste from another document (I am no document or photoshop expert so correct me if I'm wrong). Also the document seems to have some strange noise throughout it which I've never seen before as far as scanning in a document.

I'll post some screen shots of what I mean as soon as I can upload them.

Thanks,

[edit on 27-6-2007 by maxseamus]




[edit on 27-6-2007 by maxseamus]

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
While it remotely possible that a group like this might have the tools to create nice clear justified multiple-font page layouts with crisp halftone photos in 1986... it's highly unlikely.

This is what bothered me. I know what my firm's written materials looked like back in '86, and this has more the appearance of a publisher than a place equipped for administrative print jobs using DOS (unless they adopted Windows its 1st year of release, unlikely) and the laserjets of the day.

After my initial "wow" reaction, I woke up this morning a skeptic, thinking this is the coolest hoax ever:

~ completely original vehicles

~ multiple witnesses and photos linked in a timeline and coordinated to be released by 3rd parties

~ historical connectivity (Roswell script and artifacts)

~ scientific theory, backmatter, and applied reverse engineering

~ and the expectation of more to come!

Which really makes me wonder--who stands to profit from this and how? When looking at it in its totality, it is improbable in the extreme that anyone would do something this complex just for "fun." Follow the money!

Originally posted by ejsaunders
Sorry again guys for the single liner, but as 'they' do "hide it in plain sight", then perhaps the T shape watermark stands for TEST?

It is not a T it is has 4 parts.

Hmmm, if you open it in something simple like Irfranview and negative it, it doesn't look like a T more than something was wrong with the rollers in the printer or well, it looks dense in the middle of the vertical part, and less so on the edges (same with the crossbar about an inch above it), almost as if something was pressed into it.

Watermarks are usually the same consistency regardless of where they are in the document so you don't end up seeing it over the top of the text.

This one: s180.photobucket.com... in particular makes it quite apparent in negative.

There is also a 'spine' to it. While I know some places do make 'books' out of their documentation, most government agencies and places I've been who do in-house generally comb bind so why does it look like its taken from a book or perhaps an A3 page folded to A4 (or to A5 even)?

There is also alas, no EXIF info at least in that one, gonna crack it through a hex next...

It also seems to distort the text a little and have a visible 'pattern' to it like crossweave. Sellotape perhaps?

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
Your GR/Isaac connection does not make much sense, imo. GR was an ATS phenomenon, Isaac initially had nothing in common with ATS, he posted to C2C.

Also, the entire Drone thing is going on for far too long now, and if this is a hoax, i would guess, that Isaac is one of or the initiator of the complete thing.

What i'm personally missing is the money. For a "Fun" Hoax, this is very very elaborated and even if someday it will be 100% certain, that it is indeed a hoax, i still would thank the hoaxers for a great load of entertainment.

[edit on 27-6-2007 by Phil J. Fry]

I'm just going on a hunch at the end of the day Phil, don't see any harm in that and i don't think it will detract from the main topic here. I am missing the same thing too, this guy or people have spent a lot of time and resources on this and i'm wondering what the result of this will do for him/them. I think GR used us as a springboard, and took it a big step further for us all to look over. I have been criticised heavily by a certain member for being slightly self indulged in my own self importance regarding this so i shall give my own opinion.

This isn't viral marketing, it's gone way too far for that now because it would upset a lot of people, all this for a movie? Nah.

I came in here on the tail of Serpo being busted so there is a strong possibility someone is trying their One up manship to create something better to dupe us, although Isaac hasn't contacted ATS or posted direct, which leads me to believe he is looking for a large audience to show his wears, what i will say is that it's more intriguing than anything i have seen before and it would be a crying shame if it was debunked successfully due to someone being EXTREMELY creative at the expense of people just simply wanting to believe in something.

What i will say, and i am by no means bumming up ATS, is that we are in the right place for discussing this and we are all here to WITNESS this first hand!, that's what keeps me coming back.

[edit on 27/6/07 by October]

Yeah sorry about the T thing, it looked like it when I viewed it in the original 'blue'.

If you saturate the gamma and saturation and leave the contrast, it goes really weird. It looks like there's some really weird # going on, much more than just mere scanning moire or copy-fuzz.

Check: i189.photobucket.com...


EDIT!!!! Can anyone make out what looks like an Eagle 'seal' on the right hand side or is it just me?

[edit on 27-6-2007 by ejsaunders]

isaac sounds like a very intelligent person after reading his letter….

Quote isaac: I would estimate that with the information contained in this letter, I could be narrowed down to one of maybe 30-50 people at best, so I feel reasonably secure.


Well that’s ok then…no problem.


Quote isaac: I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL


How many out of the 30-50 people also worked on the symbols? That’s narrowed it down a bit do you think?


Quote isaac: My background lent itself well to this kind of work though. I'd spent years writing code and designing both analog and digital circuits, a process that at least visually resembled these diagrams in some way. I also had a personal affinity for combinatorics, which served me well as I helped with the design of software running on supercomputers that could juggle the often trillions of rules necessary to create a valid diagram of any reasonable complexity.

So, combine all the info above; maybe our illusive friend aint as clever as I first thought…..


Quote isaac again: I feel reasonably secure


If I were isaac I’d check my break-pipes every morning! Silly Isaac


[edit on 27-6-2007 by dejarma]

I ran strings on it, and the only intelligible thing that came out was .Mpg and that is probably complete coincidence.

I didn't mean it in an OMG I've solved the world's energy crisis sort of way, just it seems a bit like the eagle seal's used by various agencies.

This IS a conspiracy site, and such things, do seem conspiratorial to me.

Originally posted by yuefo

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
While it remotely possible that a group like this might have the tools to create nice clear justified multiple-font page layouts with crisp halftone photos in 1986... it's highly unlikely.

This is what bothered me. I know what my firm's written materials looked like back in '86, and this has more the appearance of a publisher than a place equipped for administrative print jobs using DOS (unless they adopted Windows its 1st year of release, unlikely) and the laserjets of the day.

My guess at the time apples were used not DOS machines for any graphic dept,
What have been proven is The Apples in 1985 had a GUI interface and contained the the same font. Apple Laser Writers in 1985 also contained this font. The document could have absolutly been created on an Apple no question. The question is the print and the Half tone to dither argument, if it was printed to a laser and not to film like a agfa machine, which also was around then and very common in Ad agencies and print depts.

So in any case, this person was savvy enough to know what an apple was capable of in 1986 and use the correct fonts in the document, real good attention to detail if this is a hoax

Originally posted by ejsaunders
I didn't mean it in an OMG I've solved the world's energy crisis sort of way, just it seems a bit like the eagle seal's used by various agencies.

This IS a conspiracy site, and such things, do seem conspiratorial to me.

Fair enough, I understand partly you folks but Isaac with his fortunecity page and pics has got more attention than i've ever imagine. Somehow, I see this whole Drone-syndrome little bit insane. Ok, I admit - Isaac has done great job but still, you guys are really believers. That's fine. Believing keeps you walking.

Originally posted by northwoods


Fair enough, I understand partly you folks but Isaac with his fortunecity page and pics has got more attention than i've ever imagine. Somehow, I see this whole Drone-syndrome little bit insane. Ok, I admit - Isaac has done great job but still, you guys are really believers. That's fine. Believing keeps you walking.

Personally I do not believe in 99% of the crap on this site, but there are some very logical things here that ring truthful to me, enough at least where the debunking evidence is not out weighing what I see as truthful.
The CGI argument can never really be proven in IMHO, because CGi is So good you can't even tell half the time and won't lead us to the truth

I never said I believe, I only believe in coincidences at the moment.

Until either the coincidences and problems add up or are nulled, do I make any sort of conclusion. So far, the amount of work and random weirdness adds an air of mystery and realism, but it is certainly not enough for me to make any claim other than "perhaps".

I believe IN ufo's, but I don't see these things as UFOs per-se. They could be, given the information that they can do anything, done's for the scouting out of places beforehand, but they are certainly only UFOs by name and not by nature - no alien is going to be climbing out of one.

The one thing still puzzling me is that the drones seem to be fairly undersized and have no compartments for personnel, i.e. they are merely hunter-seeker weapons or data collection probes.

WHERE does the large rings on the 10' square concrete come into it? Why has no one posted a picture of a hollwed out donut UFO that looks similar to the ones in the report in this thread yet?

Originally posted by LoDGiKaL
I was just playing around with the documents in photoshop and discovered there's something which looks like a watermark in the paper.

Here, take a look. I uploaded two enhanced pictures to photobucket.






Anyone know what this could mean/stand for?

I noticed this too! As soon as I saw these images I decided to turn it into my avatar. I know another guy did this too. Anyway, take a look at my avatar. You can see the watermark! I was wondering about that.

About the Watermark, and printing for that matter. I believe all printers put something on the paper when printed out, I know it was recently discovered

Here is the article from Washington Post:

www.washingtonpost.com...

It sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it isn't. The pages coming out of your color printer may contain hidden information that could be used to track you down if you ever cross the U.S. government.

From what I understand, both the paper and the printers used might have distinct markings on them to track down their origins.

So much for 'privacy' but there you have it, it's something to consider especially when taking a closer look at these documents.