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Law Firm's "How Not To Hire Americans" Video Sparks Firestorm

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posted on Jun, 23 2007 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by ThePieMaN
What are they misrepresenting? The client is looking to accomplish a task. They show them how to accomplish the task legally, albeit they do it in a round about manner.




The misrepresentation Comes when the employeer interviews them under false pretensces.

What the lawyers are doing is conspiring with clients to hire immigants instead of Americans because they will work for less.

That is a conspiracy two or more working together to do wrong.

Def = con·spir·a·cy (k…n-spîr“…-s¶) n., pl. con·spir·a·cies. 1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act. (souce is my trusty American Heritage Dict)

You keep saying it is legal yet you have nothing more then your word, where is the proof it is legal?



posted on Jun, 23 2007 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by zerotime
Lou Dobbs Report on the Subject

www.youtube.com...


Thanks for the link. Good coverage there, perhaps something might get done but I will not hold my breath.



posted on Jun, 23 2007 @ 11:01 PM
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WOW, that is a bit harsh on us hard working American citizens. Had not seen that before. Its in line with corporate Americas desire to make more cash they will never spend in a million years. The Greed factor in full swing. A very bad by product of capitalism and a free market society is Greed. Greed has many forms, money, power, status all are part of greed and the base we have chosen for our society. This is hard to swallow knowing its getting worse for the citizens of this country.

Pieman, you stated, "I wouldn't want a bunch of rednecks hassling me over a video either".

Why is it, when the citizens of this country protest trespasses on their rights as citizens by illegal immigrants, they are labeled rednecks. However, when an illegal immigrant wants to side step the process and uses a loophole to gain entrance, or to upgrade their status, it is a poor worker just trying to make a better life. Sounds to me you have a double standard, and your stereotyping legal citizens trying to protect their culture and future, as rednecks. Sad.......



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 12:20 AM
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the company i work for has made a point for the last year to advertise to
the local latino element to come work at our plant now we have about 200
employees at our plant of 1000 95 percent of which speak no english trying to work making plumbing products. needless to say if we can';t communicate with coworkers production on the lines with spanish speaking people has fallen dramatically i worked on 1 line with a girl we had a schedule of 500 faucets to do that day but the parts she was working with she rejected all but 30 so that day we did 30 faucets out of a schedule of 500 so that put that cell a whole shift behind schedule we tried
to explain to her that the parts were finbe but she said noooo baddd .
its like that alot in our plant. you would think they wouyld either send them to school or require them to speak fluent english or pay for team leaders to learn spanish. by the way we have about 50 burmese employees and 10 phillpino employeees they all speck perfect english.



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 07:40 AM
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proteus33

The type of workers your company is hiriring are in no way near what these firm/firms are hiring. I could be wrong but they are talking about those that come here under a special type of visa who have needed skills ath the alleged company needs, i.e. nurse, technician etc, that normally require a lot of training. Anyone can assemble faucets but not everyone can tune a piano kinof thng. It is those type that normally require some kind of degree that they are dealing with. American workers with a degree are going to expect a fair wage, where as the foriegn worker will work for less.



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by geemony
However, when an illegal immigrant wants to side step the process and uses a loophole to gain entrance, or to upgrade their status, it is a poor worker just trying to make a better life.


Lets set the record strght here in this case the workers are not illegals. They come here legally with H-1A /H-2B visas. The numbers of th visas may not be correct but I am sure you get the drift.

It is the way the visas are obtained that is in question not their legal status.

[edit on 6/24/2007 by shots]



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 08:50 AM
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Wrong end of the stick, as usual....

I am an Aussie.

My daughter is a guru in the field of research and theoretical psychology.

A US University wants her on their faculty for her brain - and thus the funding they can raise by getting her.

Apparently, as an individual, she has skills and talents rare enough that the University cannot find an American to fit the bill. If you don't agree, then argue with the University - I'm sure they know better than you what they want for their particular research projects!.

For her to work with, and for you, she needs papers.

Somebody - usually a firm of lawyers - has to do that stuff.

And, it will cost you heaps for her to leave her native shores to live in America, that I can definitely tell you!

Now, if you're talking about Mexican barmaids, well that could be different, I guess - but I'll take it, just for argument sake, that you know everything, cobber! NOT!

The Winged Wombat

(She could always stay here - and, given the funding, leave America in her academic dust - you choose - but she is not all that keen on going anyway, because she rather believes that you are all a bunch of dangerous lunatics! - but who am I to comment - she's the psychology guru
)


[edit on 24/6/07 by The Winged Wombat]



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by The Winged Wombat
I'm sure they know better than you what they want for their particular research projects!.



All they want is cheap labor nothing more. It just so happens your daughter qualifies, but that does not mean she is smarter then Americans she is simply qualified and will just work for less.

There is no one on this earth that is so smart they cannot be replaced. If you die tomorrow they will find the cheapest qualified person they can to replace you it is a fact of life.

[edit on 6/24/2007 by shots]



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 10:04 AM
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The Winged Wombat

Your daughter is a perfect example of someone who does not need the services of these lawyers.

Suppose your daughter had such specialized skills that there were only a few countries that could employ her. Those countries were OZ and Germany.

Your daughter wanted to stay in OZ, so she applied for the job there, only to lose it to someone less-qualified from another country, because of the tactics used by these lawyers.

Unfair to your daughter, I would say. That's the kind of thing that is happening.

As for your daughter coming to the US university, I hope she gets the job. She is the ideal immigrant, imo.



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 10:30 AM
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I haven't watched the video, but I will. Even still if the lawyer are showing companies how to dupe the system, then these guys are going to have a real problem on their hands. If they are just informing the companies of options to help a prospected worker, then its not so bad. The thing that really ticks me off though, is that millions of LEGAL immigrants had to wait their time, pay their money to get in, and take the citizen test, my uncle being one of them. We need some serious immigrantion reform. Illegals that come here pregnant to have an ancor baby, well that baby is here illegal too. For the most part illegals want to become a citizen, based on a poll. What I find really troubling is the fact if they are required to go back to their country and wait only 35% would do that. The others wouldn't even apply.



The bill also has a touchback requirement for those seeking a legal permanent resident visa, or green card. If their return to the U.S. were guaranteed, 85% would return home for a brief period; if it were not, only 35% would do so - LA TIMES
LA times poll

Now I admit most of them left the country because of obivous reasons, but still if they truely wanted to be here legally they would take the steps necessary to do that. Even if it means going to their country for a few months. But it looks like if they bill requires the touchback, if they are guaranteed citizenship then 80% or so would do it.

Just my .02

-Aza

[edit on 24-6-2007 by Azathoth]



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 10:43 AM
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I have been noticing a recent trend here in Las Vegas at the fast food chains...

They favor hiring hispanic people to the point that the conversation in the back is ALL in Spanish. Several times I have placed an order only to have the server need to call the manager to translate my request...

I have had two friends lose jobs as a result of this "favoritism"

I have nothing against the workers, just the policy of the companies that allow this. I should be able to go into an American restaurant and expect English to be the language of choice.

So do our kids have to learn Spanish now in order to get a job flipping burgers?



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 11:14 AM
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guys, you're arguing along party lines again.

fricking leave it to congress.



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 11:26 AM
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shots normally i agree with you and i am not saying you are wrong here i was just using my experience as a reference. in my community my factory is one of the biggest employers and pays the second highest wages in the community top out pay for line workers in 13.70 the line leaders make 15 to 18 on job performance. the community has high unemployment and instead of advertising jobs in local paper in english they only advertise openings in spanish . i hear are idiot president all the time saying our friends from south of border want the jobs nobody else wants he is dead wrong he wants our jobs. the kids out of high school the african american youth all they can usually get is service industry jobs in my community.



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by proteus33
shots normally i agree with you and i am not saying you are wrong here i was just using my experience as a reference.


No problem I understand you wanted to give your perspective all I wanted do was point out it is not exactly the same situation. I understand the problem from your perspective has to be a real bitch.



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Teaching people how not to hire Americans? LOL If I have ever seen a totally misconstrued article to get these Immigrant bashers going this is one of them. It has nothing to do with the idea that they were going to hire Americans anyway. People that go to them are specifically going to them so that they can get whoever they are sponsoring a green card.
Why in the world would they be giving their clients a video on how to hire Americans over the people they wish to sponsor.

Usually for sponsorship you have to have a reason for wanting to sponsor the person. They should have a quality that no one else posseses.

Either way it apparently got you going even though this has nothing to do with teaching people how not to hire Americans in the way that you are trying to make it appear. There are many Employers who have hired foreign workers in the past and developed bonds with these people and rather then seeing them leave the country they help the employee out and sponsor them. Its a step towards becoming a legal citizen. in some cases people have probably used it as a means of getting family members here legally as well.

So don't try to make it out that its something its not.


What you say rings of the truth my friend. I have first hand knowledge of sponorship and the immigration paperwork involved, as I had to sponsor my wife to become a citizen (she's canadian).

I think this is a clear case of misunderstanding.



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by zeeon
I think this is a clear case of misunderstanding.



Zeeon Hi

I don't think its a misunderstanding, I think the author of the article knows his audience best and took advantage of this. He knew exactly what the reaction would be. Many people yammer on about how they want people to legally come into this country but they don't realize how hard it is.

My mother left her family at the age of 15 and came here with only the clothes on her back and a 3rd grade education. She had to work as a chambermaid and housekeeper just to be able to come here. She went on later in life to owning 2 restaurants and couldn't even read or write. She lived for being an American and she died being an American. One of Her happiest days in life was when she recived a letter from JFK welcoming her as a US Citizen, she was in tears.

I would bet that the majority of these people are probably unaware of their own roots and how hard it was for their families to come here and the sacrifices made. I saw it firsthand so I know and I see what others must go through. People are making this into a race thing and its not just an immigration thing. You will notice it when a few may have a slip of the tongue and mention a particular race that irks them most. These are the ones that don't really care about "illegal immigration" as a topic but what type of illegal immigrant is crossing the border.



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by zeeon

I think this is a clear case of misunderstanding.


You have got to be kidding a misunderstanding??? Surely you jest you can only take his quoted comment one way.


"our goal is clearly not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker," ...
Source

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Now kindly explain how anyone can take that any other way as you say and call it a misunderstanding?



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by ThePieMaN
I don't think its a misunderstanding, I think the author of the article knows his audience best and took advantage of this. He knew exactly what the reaction would be. Many people yammer on about how they want people to legally come into this country but they don't realize how hard it is.

It's only hard if you do it the right way. But that is no excuse for breaking the law.


I would bet that the majority of these people are probably unaware of their own roots and how hard it was for their families to come here and the sacrifices made. I saw it firsthand so I know and I see what others must go through. People are making this into a race thing and its not just an immigration thing. You will notice it when a few may have a slip of the tongue and mention a particular race that irks them most. These are the ones that don't really care about "illegal immigration" as a topic but what type of illegal immigrant is crossing the border.

You are making a lot of assumptions, and at the same time trying to make it seem that "only you" know the true pain of immigration since your mother was an immigrant. You're also hinting that certain people are racists. Of course, it goes without saying that those people are the ones that disagree with you.

Don't be so pretentious, ThePieMan. You're no better than anyone else here.



posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 05:16 PM
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Question? Why do people always have to turn almost everything into a race issue?

This thread is not about RACE it is about illegal activities by lawyers representing immigrants/employeers who have applied for Visas that includes all individuals no matter what or where they come from.

Pieman your story about your mother does not touch my heart you might think you are special but you are not, both my parents and their parents came here as immigrants, so you get get down off your perch, no need for grand standing since you are not the only one who had parents who were immigrants.

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posted on Jun, 24 2007 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by shots

All they want is cheap labor nothing more. It just so happens your daughter qualifies, but that does not mean she is smarter then Americans she is simply qualified and will just work for less.

There is no one on this earth that is so smart they cannot be replaced. If you die tomorrow they will find the cheapest qualified person they can to replace you it is a fact of life.

[edit on 6/24/2007 by shots]



Originally posted by jsobecky

Your daughter is a perfect example of someone who does not need the services of these lawyers.

Suppose your daughter had such specialized skills that there were only a few countries that could employ her. Those countries were OZ and Germany.

Your daughter wanted to stay in OZ, so she applied for the job there, only to lose it to someone less-qualified from another country, because of the tactics used by these lawyers.

Unfair to your daughter, I would say. That's the kind of thing that is happening.

As for your daughter coming to the US university, I hope she gets the job. She is the ideal immigrant, imo.


You see, that is where you are totally wrong!

She would not be cheap labour - she would be extremely expensive.

She did not apply for a job in America at all - EVER.

America wants HER!

She is ranked #3 in her field (#1 and #2 are already at other US Universities - I have no idea of their nationalities).

She has NEVER had a wish or desire to live in America.

She feels that the ONLY advantage for her to go to America would be the availability of FUNDING for her research.

The University concerned feels they NEED her.

It is obvious to me that you are both so arrogant that you cannot comprehend that America does not have a monopoly on skilled, talented, or highly intelligent individuals. You believe that America has the best of everything - if that were the case, why would America EVER have to buy anything from anyone else in the world.

Because that is what the USA (and every other 'rich' country) is trying to do - buy something that they cannot get in America (believe me, they are offering just wicked amounts of money to entice my daughter).

Why do you approach any subject with the presumption that everyone else in the world wants to come and live in America? - It is a delusion! You have the worst murder rate in the world, you have the highest incarceration rate (1 in 32) of any developed country and the worst working conditions of any developed country and the way you treat your own citizens abhors most of the rest of the world. And as other countries develop, it is becoming harder for you to attract talent - for instance India is now considered to be the leader in IT, so obviously those Indians with those particular skills and talents have absolutely no interest in being enticed to America, otherwise America (with its financial leverage) would have scooped them up long ago.

Just to get things into perspective - have a good look at the Manhattan Project (the building of the first Atomic Bomb). Look at the scientists involved (not the technicians, engineers or administrators) and consider how many of them (by far the majority) were not Americans. They were 'imported' to the USA because of their skill, talents and knowledge - and most of them would never have gone there had it not been for the fact that their countries had been occupied by the Nazis - money alone would not have drawn them to the US! And to add insult to injury, one of the most brilliant - Enrico Fermi - (being an Italian national) was not allowed to be at Los Alamos and conducted his experiments (including establishing the critical mass to sustain a chain reaction - which cost him his life) at a University in California. Then take a look at how many of them went home to their own countries after the war - quite a lot! (does that tell you anything?)

Open your eyes!

I doubt that you are capable of understanding any of this and will just continue on with this thread from your own blinkered and uninformed points of view - that's the nature of people who refuse to see the truth - even when it is laid out before them.

The Winged Wombat


[edit on 24/6/07 by The Winged Wombat]



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