Originally posted by Jager_Bomb
3. In reference to Lee Anoma's post -Look back in our own human history. This is how it has always been time and time again when when humans came
upon a new civilization of people...
First off, Welcome to ATS Jager!
I’m partially honored that something I wrote has inspired you to sign up even if it’s to debate me right off the bat.
Regarding your
statement, I am familiar with human history, yet I believe you are comparing apples and oranges when speaking of claimed alien encounters.
These beings are not simply travelers that stumbled upon a group of individuals that have cultural barriers. Early explorers had to face and overcome
those complicated issues which were required in order to communicate with the natives of other lands. It was cultural differences that both sides
overcame “equally” and with that an understanding was achieved. The point is that the two cultures met and were usually completely ignorant of
each other so both were at a cultural disadvantage.
In terms of an individual that claims to have had an alien encounter it is quite clear from their statements that we are not equally at a disadvantage
in terms of understanding or reasoning. It is claimed that these beings comprehend every language and every culture (even Observer50 understands
this) so they can explain and define whatever concepts they wish in a clear and concise manner to any human being regardless of where they are
geographically from. They “choose” to communicate in puzzles and it’s not due to a language barrier.
Early explores did not have that benefit.
I also have a problem with any being calling another of lower advancement "stupid".
Once again another thing we "human beings" have done time and time again.
Yes, but what exactly is your point? That this is acceptable from higher beings that abduct us (usually) against our will?
When dealing with an obviously superior and intelligent group of individuals I would hope they would behave much better than the average man in terms
of the simple bigotry you believe is acceptable in an ascended being because “we do it”. For arguments sake though, if they arrogantly look at
humans as simply stupid then they too need to spiritually evolve.
I’m hoping they have evolved beyond our base prejudices and I believe some beings have.
Originally posted by Jager_Bomb
You suppose they have the ability to solve all are wordly problems with the flick of a wrist...We are the reason of all our problems. No one
else…
That’s not entirely true.
First, I never stated they could solve ALL of our problems and I’d advise you to read my posts more thoroughly in the future if you wish to pick
them apart and debate them.
They do posses the power to solve some of our larger issues (some of which they themselves have caused directly and indirectly) and much more even if
by simply filling in the blanks of our beginnings and their role in such. Each culture has plugged those holes with religious theories and they often
contrast each other violently in the form of crusades, jihads, inquisitions or what have you. They know where we come from and who we base our Gods
on. They have been a part of human culture since its inception.
I never said it was a simple process and the negative “flick of the wrist” quip is yours alone, not mine.
Originally posted by Jager_Bomb
Going off of Lee's post I find it extremely hard to believe that we are simply a lab experiment, bacteria in a petri dish no more. You cannot compare
humans to lab rats. We as a species have accomplished amazing feats...I've yet too see or hear of a labrat decoding their genomes or sending one of
their own to the moon.
...that throws a very large monkey wrentch into it.
You really seem to be “going off” on my post.
I have to say again that you misunderstood my post and I believe misdirected your own.
It was Observe50 that said “we make for a good study” for superior beings and my response to that theory was that it is true however when a human
studies a lab rat it isn’t exactly an honor for the rat, let alone entirely to it’s benefit. My point was that I would not enjoy being a part of a
medical/scientific experiment that I didn’t fully understand and had little control over…let alone volunteered to be a part of. You apparently
have not read some of the experimental horror stories that those claiming to have been abducted have shared. If I am to believe Observe50’s story as
possibly true without any proof then I can’t dismiss those who claim to have been abused by these beings outright either.
I have never once said human beings were the mental/genetic/spiritual/ equivalent of lab rats or no better than a Petri dish that is not MY theory, so
I am afraid I have no idea what your talking about. Again read my posts more thoroughly in the future if you wish to debate them.
In your broader point, you seem to be stating that an intelligent and sentient being cannot be used for experimental purposes because of their
relative advancements. That creating a space shuttle puts human beings out of the realm of unwanted experimental procedures from equal or higher
forces. That is simply a false idea and one that human beings themselves do not ascribe to.
If you want a monkey wrench in THAT theory I’ll ask you to do what you’ve requested I do, look back at human history. Humans have been used as
lab-rats here before.
Plutonium Experiments
During these experiments operatives injected people with plutonium without their knowledge at medical facilities across the country. In some cases,
children were fed radioactive food.
Tuskegee Syphilis Study
From 1932-1972 The U.S Public Health Service conducted an experiment in the area of Tuskegee, Alabama. Over 400 black sharecroppers were deliberately
infected with syphilis and monitored over decades including invasive medical tests.
Atomic Bomb Testing on U.S. Soldiers
From 1951-1963 thousands of U.S. soldiers were purposefully exposed to radiation during atomic bomb and H-bomb testing in Nevada and the Pacific.
Atomic veterans have an exremely high cancer rate but it took the U.S. Government over 40 years to even acknowledge the experiments took place.
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