My thoughts on UFO's

Why don't we have any solid evidence?

Obviously for any being to travel the vast distances of space just to see us and our Earth they must be very curious.

Why have we not captured anything solid then? why don't we have evidence of UFO's investigating our space stations? Direct communication with us?

Whats the point in travelling 1000000000 light years, creating a crop circle and just going home?

Why would they come all the way here and just zip past the camera lense?

It all seems pretty pointless to me.

Most of the photos i have seen are either doctered or can be explained away as natural phenomona.

Most of the people claiming to be abducted are crack heads.

I dunno bout everyone else but if i could travel across space to other planets with intelligent life i would make my presence known.

My thoughts on UFO's....

Lets be realistic. This universe is enormous compared to Earth. Billions of galaxies with billions of stars. Probably all stars have some sort of planets. I would argue that at least the majority does. I just cannot believe that there is only life on one planet. It is unrealistic to me.

So, in my opinion there must be life outside of Earth. With that being said, if the universe had a beginning, the all life had a beginning. Thats where the evolution starts. If we are all governed by the laws and theories of the universe as we know them to be now, there is that speed of light barrier that litterally seperates us from the nearly everything in the universe by thousands to millions of lightyears.

It seams unlikely that we would have visitors considering how small we are compared to the universe. Simply to much information to sift through to find us. So in my opinion we are not being visited by alien life forms.

However, those are just opinions. So, I am not sure that there is life, and likewise I cannot say life isnt visiting us. If it is, the question would then become....does it have to be more advanced than us? The answer is...NO. Is it necessarily true that it would find us violent? NO! It bothers me to see preconceptions such as those two constantly pushed into these types of discussions. To approach this type of question you must let go of all those preconceptions. Life in the universe is not required to mimic the life we see on earth.

To adress the "UFO" statement directly, you have to remind youself that the "U" stands for unidentified. That means that you cannot say for sure no matter how much you want to that it is extra terrestrial.

Ok, I am done. Those are my thoughts on UFO's.

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Sight2reality]

Why would you say such a thing? I think it is rude and an insult when you use words as you have about abductee's.

Did it ever occur to you that they are right here? I'm in a generous mood right now only because I am drinking a good cup of Maxwell coffee they, """""""""""ARE IN DEEPEST OF OUR WATERS."""""""""""""""

[edit on 22-6-2007 by observe50]

most of your questions can be covered by the "zoo hypothesis"- we are being observed and their rules dont allow them to contact us. Maybe until we are technologically advanced like in star trek first contact

maybe they have no desire to interact with us?

or maybe we are not being visited by aliens in spaceships?

[edit on 22-6-2007 by yeti101]

They could be working covertly with people in governments high up. They probably won't be working overtly until we as a species mature and stop killing ourselves.

That's what I would do if I visited another planet populated with an aggressive species slightly less advanced than humans.

The statement: "maybe we are not being visited by aliens in spaceships", is a good one.

Is it not possible that life could survive in "space". And if you stretch that far, who knows, maybe wormholes can be exploited.

Originally posted by LethalDose
Most of the people claiming to be abducted are crack heads.

I have very serious doubts about the reality of abductions, but I think that claim is unfounded. Even Susan Clancy doesn't think abduction claimants are insane, but just that they are misinterpreting their memories - something almost everyone does at one time or another.

I also think you're conflating a naive ET hypothesis with the hypothesis that UFOs are physicslly real and not explained by the Standard Model of Reality.

There are so many problems with the ET hypothesis,that asking "why would they be here?" is terribly premature.

Skepticism is fine. I regard myself as a skeptic. But skepticism has to be mindful.

What is the hypothesis?

How can the hypothesis be tested?

What is the evidence? Is it any good?

[edit on 22-6-2007 by disownedsky]

Why don't we have any solid evidence?

We have plenty of solid evidence...what we don't have, is PROOF... There's a big difference....

Obviously for any being to travel the vast distances of space just to see us and our Earth they must be very curious.

That's an assumption. We already have theories about space folding, etc. that may make the trip a very "short" one...so the vast distance factor may be out the window with advanced tech. Also, we'd know nothing of their motivations, curiousity or otherwise...it's a "guess"....

Why have we not captured anything solid then? why don't we have evidence of UFO's investigating our space stations? Direct communication with us?

Who says we haven't? Thing is, there is no reason a government couldn't swoop in and either disprove or sieze quietly, any such recovered material, if any attempt was made to take it public. All they'd have to do is say it was from a new classified test craft, etc. and they could do so perfectly legally. The catch 22 is that if there is real material in private hands, keeping it secret is the only way to keep it that way....

Whats the point in travelling 1000000000 light years, creating a crop circle and just going home?

See the second answer, also, I seriously doubt crop circles are alien in origin. The logic simply doesn't fit. A strange phenomenon, in which a large percentage are manmade, with the rest being a mystery, sure...but the alien connection is weak at best.... Also, we know from past sightings they have:
1. an interest in our military installations
2. an interest in abducting citizens
3. an expressed desire for secrecy and always attempting evasion if pursued.

Why would they come all the way here and just zip past the camera lense?

See above, they're doing more than that....

It all seems pretty pointless to me.

Well, we don't know their motivations....

Most of the photos i have seen are either doctered or can be explained away as natural phenomona.

Then there are pleny you haven't seen. The early photos and vids are the best examples, the ones before amateurs with a PC could make wonders.

Most of the people claiming to be abducted are crack heads.

Thats a real ad hominem fallacy, don't you think? There are many abductees of respected professions, many of which did not like discussing their experiences until they simply had too. I'll agree that there are a lot of whackos in this area, but there are also a lot of solid examples as well (the Hills come to mind).

I dunno bout everyone else but if i could travel across space to other planets with intelligent life i would make my presence known.

Would you really? I'm not so sure I would...especially if I didn't know "entertainment" from "historical documents" (Galaxy Quest pun, I know).... If I was monitoring our transmissions, I might just wonder about episodes of "kill the alien" movies, tv shows, etc. Would you take it upon yourself to represent all of humanity (for good or bad) and chance a first meeting, with a seemingly hostile sentient race?

Just a few extra points there LethalDose. (Curses on Gazrok he steals words right out of my mind. ) Once you've lived in this surprising universe a few more years, the better you will know how very little man actually does know.

Oh, we have theories, and we use long terms to inflate pompous postulations pointlessly advocating certainty. But it is a big universe, and we still don't even know if it's the only one. So your statements of what is and what is not carry no real weight when you get down to it.

In an infinite Universe, with infinite time, there are infinite possibilities.

Originally posted by LethalDose
Whats the point in travelling 1000000000 light years, creating a crop circle and just going home?

Gazrok has answered your other questions well, I think. This one reflects a gigantic assumption. You are assuming that "they" ride in "space ships" for billions of miles to "visit." That's an interpretation based on our 'rockets and space ships' culture. Science Fiction is in many ways now science fact in the 21st century. We are well versed in the idea of zooming off into space. We've done it. Voyager is out there beyond the solar system. We've sent probes to all the planets, landed on some, sent back pretty pictures. The ISS is real. We're going back to the moon. This is our reality.

But before the Industrial Revolution people didn't have the space metaphor to explain strange sightings. They saw faeries that blinked out of sight as soon as you looked directly at them. (Your peripheral vision is better than your forward vision.) Faeries abducted children. Kahunas were to be feared. Witches lived in the woods. Dragons and daemons were about. God sent storms to punish the wicked. There was magic in the world. Strange things were interpreted very differently.

You are assuming a 20/21st century interpretation about UFOs, because the space and rockets metaphor is the filter through which you view reality. But there are other ideas out there, hard as they are to proffer in our technological and materialistic society. There are quite serious theories regarding different dimensions, for example, that cannot be written off lightly. In other words, UFOs could be from here. No space travel required

I'm not attempting to prove this idera with this post, simply trying to point out that there is more than one theory about the existence of UFOs.

Why don't you google video for ufos and see for yourself...
Most contactees are decent down to earth people, like myself...
your post comes off as really ignorant.

Originally posted by Bocephus
Why don't you google video for ufos and see for yourself...
Most contactees are decent down to earth people, like myself...
your post comes off as really ignorant.

Its not ignorant its my opinion. I dont believe in abductions. If they wanted to test us they would breed us and test us just like we do in labs.

Gazrok has answered your other questions well, I think. This one reflects a gigantic assumption. You are assuming that "they" ride in "space ships" for billions of miles to "visit." That's an interpretation based on our 'rockets and space ships' culture. Science Fiction is in many ways now science fact in the 21st century. We are well versed in the idea of zooming off into space. We've done it. Voyager is out there beyond the solar system. We've sent probes to all the planets, landed on some, sent back pretty pictures. The ISS is real. We're going back to the moon. This is our reality.

But before the Industrial Revolution people didn't have the space metaphor to explain strange sightings. They saw faeries that blinked out of sight as soon as you looked directly at them. (Your peripheral vision is better than your forward vision.) Faeries abducted children. Kahunas were to be feared. Witches lived in the woods. Dragons and daemons were about. God sent storms to punish the wicked. There was magic in the world. Strange things were interpreted very differently.

You are assuming a 20/21st century interpretation about UFOs, because the space and rockets metaphor is the filter through which you view reality. But there are other ideas out there, hard as they are to proffer in our technological and materialistic society. There are quite serious theories regarding different dimensions, for example, that cannot be written off lightly. In other words, UFOs could be from here. No space travel required

I'm not attempting to prove this idera with this post, simply trying to point out that there is more than one theory about the existence of UFOs.

I have read about and watched videos concerning alternative propulsion systems ie anti gravity and and the theory in bending space time to create a shorter travelling distance. In my post i assumed the former for the means of getting here. But you cannot also assume that any lifeforms have the technology available to bend space time, nobody even knows its possible and its only a theory that the majority of physicists disagree with.

Would you really? I'm not so sure I would...especially if I didn't know "entertainment" from "historical documents" (Galaxy Quest pun, I know).... If I was monitoring our transmissions, I might just wonder about episodes of "kill the alien" movies, tv shows, etc. Would you take it upon yourself to represent all of humanity (for good or bad) and chance a first meeting, with a seemingly hostile sentient race?

Yes i would make my presence known. Wat would i have to be afraid of? lets say im in my star treck enterprise and i come across a civ similar to ours wat they gunna do? send a chopper up after me, id blast the planet out of orbit if i wanted too!

Then there are pleny you haven't seen. The early photos and vids are the best examples, the ones before amateurs with a PC could make wonders.

Pictures in the 40's and 50's could still easily be doctered and alot, well actually most of them have discredited.

Gazrok and others are trying to get you to stop assuming aliens think and act like humans. But here are some more punches for ya....

If they wanted to test us they would breed us and test us just like we do in labs.

Why? Why would they behave like us?

But you cannot also assume that any lifeforms have the technology available to bend space time, nobody even knows its possible and its only a theory that the majority of physicists disagree with.

You are assuming it requires 'technology'. You are assuming that an alien has to 'theorize' and 'learn' with a human-style brain. You are speculating based on the assumption that things from elsewhere would be the same as things from here. That's fine, but then you use the fact that it doesn't fit your model to claim that it probably doesn't exist. But in my view, your initial assumptions are too constrained.

For example, imagine a planet with a sub-cellular non-local spatial movement capability, as integral to life there as photosynthesis and ATP are on earth. Suddenly, what requires 'technology' is less important than what evolves from low-level capabilities. I'm not saying this is likely. Just trying to get some more air in this box we are in.

Yes i would make my presence known. Wat would i have to be afraid of? lets say im in my star treck enterprise and i come across a civ similar to ours wat they gunna do? send a chopper up after me, id blast the planet out of orbit if i wanted too!

Assuming 'fear', 'come across' as an event framework, etc.

The point is you are assuming they are essentially us.

Trying to argue that odd phenomena don't exist because they don't behave the way we do is like arguing that giant squid don't exist because they don't watch TV and play with puppies.

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Ectoterrestrial]

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Ectoterrestrial]

Its not behaving like us its common sense! And if any lifeform has the ability to come here then they must have common sense!

[edit on 22-6-2007 by LethalDose]

Originally posted by LethalDose
In my post i assumed the former for the means of getting here. But you cannot also assume that any lifeforms have the technology available to bend space time, nobody even knows its possible and its only a theory that the majority of physicists disagree with.

Two things here, buddy. You just got here so you heard it here first. You just quoted my entire previous post. Cut it down and the mods won't do it for you. Second, your response tells me you didn't get what I was telling you. I didn't even mention 'bending' space and time. I am suggesting you have a lot of pre-conceived notions that are leading you astray. You're not showing much familiarity with some of the contemporary theories in ufology. I think you need to study the issue more completely before you announce to us what reality is.

Originally posted by LethalDose
Its not behaving like us its common sense! And if any lifeform has the ability to come here then they must have common sense!

Or, if they choose to come here, they obviously don't have it.

Assuming 'fear', 'come across' as an event framework, etc.

The point is you are assuming they are essentially us.

Trying to argue that odd phenomena don't exist because they don't behave the way we do is like arguing that giant squid don't exist because they don't watch TV and play with puppies.

Its simple psychology really. If they do come here that means they take an interest which essentially means these beings would have emotions just like ours!

Originally posted by LethalDose
Its simple psychology really. If they do come here that means they take an interest which essentially means these beings would have emotions just like ours!

What a leap! An interest in coming here does not equate with having emotions like ours. I've never heard curiosity called an emotion before, and to claim 'they' are 'curious' is a leap in itself. What if 'they' are from here? There are all sorts of possibilities. What we are trying to tell you here is that uou are being antropomorphic and ethnocentric. You've got your filters on making all these assumptions.

ok so they come here for no reason? god almighty

I just want to say something when we went to mars and to the moon we always leave our mark and always leave a definite sign that we have been somewhere. Say there are aliens on mars and they were not as advanced as us but always saw things flying in the sky and could not explain them. Who knows maybe they live underground, but one thing for sure if they need evidence that they had been visited then they would be able to find out without a doubt. For people to say that aliens would travel here and not want to be known about is stupid. Just because you are a advanced civilization does not mean you would stay quiet.