UFO and their propulsion

hello,

I recently viewed quite a few documentaries on youtube with regards to alien incursions. Apart from all the hoaxes and all the guys who pretend to be contactees or even better: pretend to be former high ranking officials of some governmental institution with "Inter cosmic, above top secret clearance"... there are a few cases that are worth looking at.

It seems pilots are the most reliable source of information. All of them agree on the ability of a UFO to match their speed and then disappear at light speed...

It has also been reported sightings by people on the ground.

According to some researchers the MHD propulsion could be an explanation for their atmospheric propulsion. From what I understand, they defy Gravity by using a powerful source of energy (antimatter?), pump it to magnets (superconductors that work at ambient temperature) and give a polarity to the hull of the spaceship.(this would explain that some UFO are "glowing" in the dark like a light bulb...).

the questions might be stupid but:
- how come some UFOs seem to experience problems at low speed (it seems they have problems maintaining a constant heading)
- what if the weather is stormy? doesnt it change the electricity in the air and should alter such a propulsion method??

helloooooooooo, I can't hear you...

MHD Propulsion is a fascinating topic. It is rumored that the military has a craft that is based on this technology, called the TR-3B (Flying black triangle). It allegedly uses a red glowing plasma ring in the center of the craft and three ion thrusters on each corner. This was the craft that was seen during the Belgium wave. Here is a video that supposedly shows MHD in action:

video.google.com...

i remember that UFO in the skies of belgium. the jetfighters were out on that day and ready to shoot.

but: you would be the US gvt: would you fly your test aircraft worth a few billion dollars to a foreign country like that?? has belgium become a test field for the US prototypes?

Interesting post. I think they might have trouble at low speeds because they are not very aerodynamic. If MHD were used to propulse the ships, wouldn't there be huge winds associated with sightings? That would mean they would be noisy and typically no sound or only a humming sound is noted on a sighting.

[edit on 19-6-2007 by Dr X]

[heavy speculation]If these craft use magnetics in one form or another for propulsion, or feed off of earths magnetic field somehow, possibly the variants in earths magnetic field cause this "wobble". Earth's core is what creates the field on earth and it spins to do this. Maybe this spinning causes the craft to wobble in tandem with the variances in the field here on earth. One would think that a visiting civ. could find a way to counter this potential anomaly, but hey, maybe its more difficult to counter than one could imagine.[/heavy speculation]

Anybody you ask this question of is going to provide you with no more than either an uneducated or educated guess. My answer is even worse its and uneducated hunch.....

EDIT: Spelling, always spelling and typos. Grrrr

[edit on 19-6-2007 by Lost_Mind]

Originally posted by choubix
the questions might be stupid but:
- how come some UFOs seem to experience problems at low speed (it seems they have problems maintaining a constant heading)

I've also heard and read alot of descriptions of saucer like UFOs that wobble when they're at low speed or just hovering.

Like Lost_Mid, my guess is also that it could have something to do with the gravity/magnetic fields. Maybe the gravity (or anti-gravity) or magnetic field that the propulsion system creates or exploits, is not constant, causing the craft to wobble.

It's interesting to note that, from what I could conclude, people haven't reported this 'wobble' effect on triangular UFOs, such as the one in the Phoenix Lights incident. Maybe these craft use different propulsion systems, or just compensate it better than others.

Let's look outside of the rabbit hole and see the tunnel in it's beauty. Studies in labs revealed an Atom can disappear from existence and also be in more than one place at a time. I have made several postings about this and I believe it could be a topic worth researching.

All matter on an atomic level are locked in at a vibrational state which of course keeps it either a solid, liquid, or gas. There is another vibrational state that locks electrons and protons in orbit. Some would think this is a chemical process but in reality it is a vibrational frequency that makes this successful.

Now, all matter in our plane is locked in at a certain vibrational frequency. If we were to look at our universe as a giant soccer ball and all the little hexagons have there own frequency, our galaxy would be one out the possible trillions of little hexagons that makes up the universe.

Now, if we can change the atomic frequency of an atom for example, our galaxy is locked in at 500 and the closet galaxy to us is at 1000, when we lock all matter into that atomic frequency, we will phase to where we belong.

Nature is unforgiving and will only balance the unbalanced. If we are no longer locked in to our atomic frequency, nature will correct this imbalance and instantly place us in the galaxy where the atoms are vibrating at 1000. Look at this like warp drive.

Now far as the alien crafts, I don't believe they are actually flying. Let me explain. If all matter inside the craft as well as the craft is locked in at 1000, the craft will exist in a hyperspace. If we are locked in at 500, and the craft is locked in a 500.01, that little change will change they atomic state enough where they are no longer effected by our laws of physics. So they will then float along in hyperspace but slightly existing on our plane.

By phasing in and out of existence, they can travel virtually anywhere in the universe in a matter of seconds or hours. If we incorporate time in this theory, time travel may be possible as well. Atomic frequencies are locked in at a certain state but what if there were other alternate frequencies similar to an atomic clock. If I am correct, the energies of the universe works like a giant DVD player. If we are able to lock our matter into hyperspace and then tune into the alternate frequency (500.00-500.01,.02,.03,.04, etc), nature will then phase us to where we belong. Since our frequency lock is at 500, and we phased to 500.000002, in theory we would go back in time.

The crafts may appear to be flying or hovering but what it will actually be doing is floating in some hyperspace plasma. When they are to land, they simply float to land and then lock into our atomic frequency making them solid on our plane. When they dart off at incredible speeds, what is happening is they are phasing in and out and nature is pulling them into hyperspace in the direction of their lock point. When they are traveling in our atmosphere, they are actually phasing and floating in hyperspace. We can see them, and they can see us, but they are not atomically solid yet.

So in reality the craft itself could be on the ground in their existence but be flying in ours.

Just a theory.

[edit on 19-6-2007 by blaqmyst]

It's interesting to note that, from what I could conclude, people haven't reported this 'wobble' effect on triangular UFOs, such as the one in the Phoenix Lights incident. Maybe these craft use different propulsion systems, or just compensate it better than others.

funny that you mention triangular UFOs. reading you made me think of these precisely.
I believe it's the only one that has a constant "heading". My guess is that it can be human made using either MHD or another sort of propulsion.

my hunch comes from just one thing: "flying saucers" (whatever you want to call Alien made UFOs) actually do hoover. Triangles seem to be always on the move.

but as mentionned earlier: it's an uneducated hunch!
at least some people are willing to share constructive hunches

the Auroa project is not supposed to have created a "side project" using MHD? leaving the triangular "plane" only 11% of its mass to be moved by the jet engines? (from what I read -but you are neverr sure of the source of info you get...- the MHD would alleviate 89% of the mass of the craft in this case)

To blaqmyst


what you explained is interesting indeed but I guess this would apply to "long haul flights" only (in between planets). for short distances I guess a UFO would be using a more "conventional" kind of propulsion. MHD (or assimilated) seems to be the more relevant one as it would use the gravity field generated by our planet. (indeed the gravity field doesnt seem to be contant which may explain the erratic behavior of UFOs at low speed)

from an "economic" standpoint only:
- you either use the energy around you (gravity) making your propulsion system "cost efficient" (MHD).
- you either choose to use the phase in/out system but this (i believe) would require a enormous amount of energy.

and it's not on earth that the guys will find their usual gas station I think
so better to save as much energy as you can as you may need it to get to the next gas station


but: from what I understood, using MHD implies that the hull (or at least a part of it) is sent energy (electricity). that would explain that the UFO glows at night. Wouldnt it make the UFO more sensitive to hurricanes/thunder? the hull would be +/- no? doesnt it make the UFO more likely to be hit by thunder than by a conventional rocket/missile?

It seems people have sightings of UFO only when the weather is ok actually (well: who's interested in watching the sky when it's pouring?...)

www.dailymotion.com...

french documentary. the guy featured here is Jean Piere Petit. He may be the most underrated physicist we had... I believe his main problem is that he just wanted to tell people about the progress of sciences.

the ideas developed on MHD here:

- MHD propulsion: he explains why there is no BANG when a MHD propelled "plane" hits the wall of sound
- MHD propulsion implies that you ionise your environment leading to a nice glowing effect in the dark
- the limit is "theoretically" set to 15 000 Km/h for a plane using the MHD (isnt it Mach 15?)

on Interstellar travel: (using Sakarov's theory)
in our universe there is no antimatter. the big bang should have produced an equal amount of matter and antimatter. so we have lost 50% of the universe...
that leads to the hypothesis of Twin universes. one of matter (ours) and one of antimatter. the laws of physics may differ from one universe to the other. so the speed of light may not be the same in a universe composed of antimatter.

a twin universe composed of antimatter would explain spiral galaxies as:
- "normal" galaxies are rotating,
- without a "counterweight" we would have been "ejected from our galaxy a while ago
- if a "normal" galaxy is contained by its twin universe. the twin universe acts as a counterweight and keeps the planets etcetc within the galaxy. (so galaxies do rotate but as they re contained they have a spiral shape)


anyway: it doesnt answer the 2 questions asked earlier.
- erratic behavior of UFOs at low speed (even though a partial explanation looks logicial to me: the gravity on earth is uneven and the UFOs need to compensate)
- aren't MHD propelled machines more likely to be hit by thunder?? (basically it would be like a sport car: you use it only when the weather is ok so you dont spoil the body of your car -and crash your UFO...-)

I peronsaly believe UFOs (the conventional saucer type) aren't effected too much by aerodynamics. Well, ours at least. Although, it is the perfect shape for flight!

What I'm referring to is; what about the sightings of (Underwater Unidentified flying objects.) ...and they can also fly space (I imagine) They must have tremendous power, whatever they use...

EDIT: Nice theory blaqmyst, excellent! My eyes went big reading it

[edit on 19-6-2007 by Zenem]

Originally posted by choubix
my hunch comes from just one thing: "flying saucers" (whatever you want to call Alien made UFOs) actually do hoover. Triangles seem to be always on the move.

but as mentionned earlier: it's an uneducated hunch!

at least some people are willing to share constructive hunches

In this sightings reporting database, you'll be able to notice that people in alot of those reports describe these triangles has being able to hover.

On another note, it's also interesting to see, here, that the 'triangle' is the shape with most sightings reported after 'light'.

Originally posted by choubix
the Auroa project is not supposed to have created a "side project" using MHD? leaving the triangular "plane" only 11% of its mass to be moved by the jet engines? (from what I read -but you neverr sure of the source of the info you get...- the MHD would alleviate 89% of the mass of the craft in this case)

I think you are referring to the TR-3B.

Of course none of this information can and has ever been verified, but allegedly the TR-3B (a triangular craft) is able to reduce its mass by 89% by using something called MFD (Magnetic Field Disrupter).

There's alot of material regarding this (and other) triangular craft allegedly being developed by the US.

You got a thread right here on ATS regarding TR-3B.

edit: typos.

[edit on 19-6-2007 by danx]

very interesting reply!
it seems i haven't done my homeworks well...

You'll notice that in the famous mexico sighting that you can see that the ufo spins
creating it's own outer space effect...I'm a contactee and I wonder why others don't discuss the implantation and constant communication with the cellular phone type hearing devices...It's troubling. with all the footage on the net and the alien interview footage how could one be a skeptic...

Originally posted by danx

Originally posted by choubix
the questions might be stupid but:
- how come some UFOs seem to experience problems at low speed (it seems they have problems maintaining a constant heading)

I've also heard and read alot of descriptions of saucer like UFOs that wobble when they're at low speed or just hovering.

Like Lost_Mid, my guess is also that it could have something to do with the gravity/magnetic fields. Maybe the gravity (or anti-gravity) or magnetic field that the propulsion system creates or exploits, is not constant, causing the craft to wobble.

It's interesting to note that, from what I could conclude, people haven't reported this 'wobble' effect on triangular UFOs, such as the one in the Phoenix Lights incident. Maybe these craft use different propulsion systems, or just compensate it better than others.

That's because black triangles are almost certainly man-made, they seem to exclusively pop-up in NATO countries and around US air force bases, there is nothing other worldy about them unless you believe some accounts of 'incredible acceleration' which are a small minority of reports.

Okay, I'll take a stab at it.

Please folk's, don't try this experiment here on Earth, because it's going to sound like some mad scientists dream.

First we would need to develop a antimatter bomb. This bomb would have to be encased in a anti-grav. cell, where no matter can come into contact with the antimatter.

Next, find a mini-black hole, out in space somewhere. I'm not talking about the monstrous black hole in the center of our galaxy, but hopefully, a mini-black hole, that might exist in our galaxy somewhere.

Send the antimatter bomb, loaded on a missile for detonation with mini-black hole. After the explosion, pick up a few possible fragments of the black hole.

Have that pea sized black hole pulverised and refined on some distant planet. Where we can coat the inside bottom of a flying saucer, with some kind of ceramic black hole mixture with only a few parts per million black hole particles involved.
Stay tuned for part two, because I'm in a library with a weak server.

Part 2

The saucer plate, would still create a high magnetic field, because of the tiny black hole particles spaced evenly around the plate. This is the base of your starcraft that you or you're robot's will assemble.

With luck, after the saucer is built, simply send a small electric current through the baseplate to give it [+ or -] properties that would give it an anti-gravity effect on any planet that has a [+ or -] charge itself.

Your starcraft will still have the hunger and thirst for light and matter, like it's former ancestor; but on a much smaller scale.

Simply, build some kind of particle beam projector that projects a light source- like a star in the sky to the computer driven magnetic black hole field in the direction that you want your starcraft too go. And hopefully, the baseplate of your starcraft will actually pull your ship along with it to your starlight destination.

The speed of your starcraft, in a weightless and vacuum free enviroment will easily bring your craft to the speed of light; and with a magnectically black hole force shield, surrounding your ship, you could possibly advance to warp speeds with some kind of square factor in the equation.

Cheers,

Erno86

My idea's on their propulsion is that it makes use of electro-magnetism, they use the natural magnetic feild of our planet and align their superconducting electro-magnets in parrallel to our magnetic feild.

That is why you see UFO'S with different colours, I believe the colours are a by-product of the propulsion system, as they go up in speed and through the electro-magnetic light spectrum. So if they are near a stand still or hovering they will be a red/orange colour, when they are slowly moving they would be an orange colour, then as they go faster they would cycle up the electro-magnetic spectrum, yellow, green, blue and purple to full speed.

If this theory is true, then I would also assume there would be further evidence, if they are going slow... red/orange they would be in the radio wave part of the spectrum, so would this not cause some interference in devices such as tv's, radio's and other devices at this level?

As they speed up faster, would there be some kind of infrared interference?

and then ofcourse as they go faster some form of x-ray or gamma ray interference?

Is this theory plausable?

Originally posted by choubix
According to some researchers the MHD propulsion could be an explanation for their atmospheric propulsion. From what I understand, they defy Gravity by using a powerful source of energy (antimatter?), pump it to magnets (superconductors that work at ambient temperature) and give a polarity to the hull of the spaceship.(this would explain that some UFO are "glowing" in the dark like a light bulb...).

I think what these "researchers" need to do is stop thinking in such limited ways. I've also heard it explained that what UFOs do is amplify their pilot's perceptions and allow them to instantaneously "be" wherever they perceive themselves to be. Like you imagine yourself in a place and time, and the machine takes your imagination and helps you exist there. Time and space don't matter. The most important thing is consciousness, imagination and perception.

Unfortunately, at this time in history, we're not very good at detecting things that don't affect little bits of wire wrapped around metal rods.