2012: End of the world due to Galaxies combining?

Will the world end due to our Galaxy combininb?

I asked this question after seeing another ATS forum here.

It says that we are not actually The Milky Way, but that we are The Sagittarius Dwarf, and we are combining with the Milky Way galaxy.

According to this, it will combine in 2012. So I wanted to start a discussion on what people think about this. Predictions says we'll end in 2012, and the Galaxies combine.

Your thoughts?

Interesting thread I would like to hear what some of the "astronomers" on the board have to say.

Well Id like to add my 2 cents worth to this topic, even if the claims are true about us not being part of the Milky way cataclisym may not necesarily be a problem if you are to believe the "Electrical Universe" theory.

All the Orbs in both Galaxies could combine with minimal turmoil and just a little shuffling around of planets around Suns. I like to think the glass is half full and that the Mayan calander thing is just a subtle indicator that the skyline would change a little and all is good .

But there is also a realistic side to this ( Glass is not only empty but money is owed on the last 5 drinks ) and we are about to witness first hand the collision of Galaxies large enough to form a smallish black hole upon which even our souls cannot escape. For ever damning human kind to a version of hell we could never imagine.

Hi there all,

Firstly I want to clarify to all those with a panic head on, this has absolutely nothing to do with 2012 or any other numerology or religious / metaphysical related topics.

Nor I might add is this spectacle unusual as it it conforms to standard cosmological models.

I can assure you that this phenomena is squarely a physics issue and has no mystical properties other than perhaps the mystic of beauty.

In fact in about 4 billion years the milky way is very likely to completely merge with Andromeda (M31) Galaxy... a process that will take about 1 billion years to complete.

Due to the size of M31 it is very likely much of the milky way will be destroyed and re-made.

Not including dark matter calculations Andromeda mass may total around 350 billion Solar masses

Andromeda's core has a supermassive central black hole of around 30 million Solar-masses

The Milky Way’s super massive black hole has and estimated 4 million solar masses, much less than M31’s core.

The resulting gravitational waves that will occur when the two cores meet will be felt across the entire visible universe.

Here is a simulation of the likely merger... Note how violent the event is...


Any questions?

All the best,

NeoN HaZe

I find it hard to believe that scientists can assume they will understand the implications of such an event. two numbers 2's together are nothing more than two number 2's. But you throw in the command for addition, and now we see four. How do we not know that a new command can originate within these cosmic happenings?

Also, when is this supposed to happen? 2012? How does this coorolate with the approaching photon belt?

Thanks,

AAC

Originally posted by Ioska
Will the world end due to our Galaxy combininb?

There is no reason why our world should end due to merging with another Galaxy. The chances of bumping into another star are practically zero. While there are hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way, there is a lot of space in between them. One could compare it to two clouds merging, except on a much grander scale that takes millions of years to happen.

EDIT: I should also add that I'm not sure how legitimate/true that article is in that other thread. I need to do some more reading and research.

[edit on 17-6-2007 by jra]

I was just wondering what peoples thoughts were. Some people think 2012 is when NWO will happen, ext. But I was wondering if anyone thought that this had anything to do with it. I'm crossing my fingers nothing happens.. deffinitly not that video..

actually, I think that the two galaxies bit would take a little of the edge off the idea that 2012 is the end. People noticed that the calendar ended in 2012, and well, wondered why and then began assuming the worse...this could very well explain the why. they based the calendar on the position of the stars and such. as we pass thru the milky way band, the sky will be different, the calender will be no longer useful.

why are we so sure that since our solar system is moving in a different direction as the other systems in the milky way, that this means we are not originally from the milky way? just wondering...don't we have a planet moving opposite to the rest of us?

do a google search on "colliding galaxies'
theres plenty of pics & videos out there.

also, this link burro.cwru.edu...
is a Java Applet to make your own visuals of galaxies colliding.


to follow up on NeonHaze's info,
our MilkyWay & Andomeda are indeed on a collision course,

but the galaxies are 2 million light years apart
but [If the MilkyWay & Andromeda were to immediately
race towards one another at 200,000 X the speed-of-light

then there would be a galaxy collision just in time for 2012
which i think is a complete impossibility with known physics

I still haven't seen any links to the ACTUAL sources of this research that claims that we're not even a part of the milky way. Does anyone have a link to this, or the name of an article/journal and the date that it was published so that I can read this first-hand?

Also... I'm of the understanding that it's believed that if we aren't a part of the Milky Way, we'll become part of it rather soon. Is this what these claims state? By soon, I'm meaning like anywhere from 5 seconds to 800 million years.

Neon Haze... Ioska was talking about the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy colliding with Milky Way, NOT the andromeda galaxy.

I think the most significant thing about the mayan calender end-date that could cause global catastrophe is the fact that on this date our solar system will be in alignment with the plane of the galactic disk which could cause more centrifugal force being exerted on our system and could lead to a geographical pole shift. Much like how a merry-go-round works, there is more centrifugal force along the plane of the spinning disk, as an object moves closer to the plane of this disk, more force is exerted on it.

Well the link had a link to the article, but here's a link to the article it's self.

I'm just talking all the conspiracy's of 2012 as a whole. There's a bunch of people that think something crazy will happen, like solar flares, polar caps, ect. So I was just wondering what people thought.

The main thread about this article already decided that the curezone source fabricated much of the story. It seemed like he was trying to put his own inappropriate spin on the other page he was pulling info from. The other page didn't seem to be the original stuff though... hopefully someone will get a hold of a report from the research and post it somewhere.

Alright... in the University of Virginia paper, they only said that the Milky Way is devouring Sagittarius Dwarf. They never said that earth was outside of the Milky Way galaxy... the "Millennium Group" says that it is though. Have you ever heard of them? I haven't, and they've shown no credentials of any sort to verify that they aren't posing as a real repository. So I'm calling this as a bluff, because I've found no articles from any credible source confirming these claims.

Galaxy hoax claims we're aliens


Source

First it was the moon hoax, then the Mars hoax and now astronomers warn there's a galaxy hoax.

An article in Viewzone Magazine, which has prompted a number of calls to the astronomical community, says that new evidence from a survey of the skies known as 2MASS, 'proves' we come from an alien galaxy.

It says that our sun and all its planets do not belong to the Milky Way but rather to a stream of stars being stripped from a dwarf galaxy known as Sagittarius Dwarf.

Read the full article here.

But astrophysicist Dr Denis Sullivan, from Victoria University of Wellington, warns that although the article quotes legitimate scientists and their research, the conclusions it draws are false.

The 2MASS survey uses automated telescopes to map the infrared sky at near-infrared wavelengths.

By mapping the positions of thousands of particular stars known as M giants, which are common in the dwarf galaxy but not the Milky Way, scientists have traced the collision between the galaxies that has occurred over billions of years.

I wish I could be alive to see andromeda getting very close to our galaxy and fill the entire sky. It's about magnitude 3.5 right now and definitely isn't bright enough in light polluted areas.

space may be the final frontier but its made in a hollywood basement. its garbage. # happens. we all die, so the # what.

It's the first time I hear (or read) about this. There seems to be so many theories out there now about why 2012 is to be the end of the world. (I think there'll be great catastrophies, etc., and will thus seem like it.) The closest I have read, or heard, is it being a rare event happening once every 26,000 years when the earth aligns with the center of the galaxy.

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Hey Einstein, try learning even the very basics of solar system and galactic contructions, you obviously don't have the foggiest.