Ban religion

This whole ban religion thing is just a blame game. Everyone wants to find something to blame for other peoples personal actions. Thats why we see people looking to blame Christians for all the troubles in the world or some would label the Jews and then of course we have people who will blame all the Muslims for it.

This is just pointing fingers instead of getting to the source that bad people do bad things and they will exploit any avenue to attain their means. Hitler decided it was the Jews and the Germans were superior to everyone else with very little basis on religion and more on nationalism. But then you have Hirohito being worshiped as a god so they were all willing to fight to the death. You want to blame religion instead of people who exploit it, don't you see?

The fact remains though, when you believe in something greater than yourself you can accomplish amazing things. It is hope, it is drive, it is security, it is determination. Can that be manipulated? Yes. Can that help someone become a better person and do wonderful things for this planet? Yes.

It is the person who makes the choice. Not the religion. Stop looking for something to blame and do your part to start bringing the people up around you. You are responsible and no one else and just trying to spit Atheist diatribe will get you no where. Become the better person and teach people how to be better people. No religion needed.

You shouldn't, and anyway, you couldn't

I too would like to see the end of religion, a trap in which so many people are caught. But banning religion is foolish for two reasons.

1/ It makes us as bad as them.

2/ It won't work.

Remember Voltaire? 'I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.' Or words to that effect. Religion is slavery. Irreligiousness is liberation. Why would someone who is liberated want to impose their will upon others? That's what temples and churches and mosques and priests and popes and bonzes and mullahs do. Why should we be like them?

And in any case, religion is part of human nature. Maybe, as some have argued, it's an obsolete, useless part; a handicap, even. Certainly I, an irreligious person, see it that way. But it's there all the same, in every culture throughout history. You can't suppress it; it'll force its way through the cracks no matter what you do.

As someone said earlier, the Communists tried to ban religion. And look what happened to them.

Mostly religion is about control and laws some of the laws are good some are odd, many are outdated, some cultures would have us go back to the dark ages with their religious laws.

Some faiths are evolving/progressing.

WE all find something to worship or idolize, money, movie stars, our spouse, politicians, ew did I just say that? lol

Ancestors even.

Are we programed to be spiritual?
"There may be dedicated neural machinery in the temporal lobes concerned with religion," the research team announced at a conference for the Society for Neuroscience. "This may have evolved to impose order and stability on society."


Who was the first human to look into the heavens and wonder?

If god exists why make it so difficult?

Anthropologists and Darwinian theorists have frequently speculated that religion may have developed as a self-policing mechanism as cooperation with others became useful. With their intelligence and skills at making weapons, there was little to stop early humans from slaughtering each other like wild maniacs, until they began to fear unseen beings even bigger and badder than themselves. This sort of adaptation has always been considered a purely psychological function, but now we have the first evidence that the religious instinct may be physically hard-wired right into our noggins.

Which brings us to the most intriguing conundrum posed by the discovery of the God Spot. It's a double-edged sword shoved right through the heart of the science vs. religion debate, bearing either good news or bad news for the faithful masses depending on how you answer the chicken-or-the-egg question: does it mean that God created our brains, or that our brains created God?
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Whatever happened it backfired, or did it, or was it all part of a plan to keep us so busy fighting each other ie babel, and confusion we are kept from communicating with each other long enough to find the truth,

22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever , everlasting)”

What exactly is the tree of life?

Who did the ancient prophets see and speak to?

Why does this not happen now?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever , everlasting)”

What exactly is the tree of life?

Who did the ancient prophets see and speak to?

Why does this not happen now?

1. The tree of life is the tree of angels. This was how they live forever. God did not want man to eat this, for it would prove disaterous afer eating from the tree of knowledge

2. Metatron, the voice of God. It is also believed he might also be the angel that was reincarnated as Jesus

3. That's hard to answer...



I was just giving ideas that I have made after some study.

Originally posted by soulstealer2099
it does me no harm. Just very annoying that these I**ots go around preaching a story like its fact. HOw would you feel if star trek geeks went around preaching the stories of that show like it was fact.

I'd be fine with that. Amongst the many religion's I have experiemented with is Discordianism. In the Steve Jackson Game's version of the discordian bible(Principia Discordia) one of the authors is interviewed, he states that basically the purpose of this religion is to show that if you can gain enlightenment from such a nonsensical religion(and discordianism is just that) then you can gain enlightment from any religion, or none.

You should look into the discordian's, OP. You might enjoy them.

Vas

Discordianism may be one of the best because of the simple fact about enlightenment. In order to reach it you need to abandon all, even your personality and all issues and emotions. You need to be virtually dead to become alive. So, by that logic practicing anything just binds you to your ego, builds your identification and opinions. No wonder they spend entire life in monastery without much success. Or maybe create some fake experiences by imagining it all the time.

Organised religion is somewhat pavlovian - call to church, run along, say the correct responses, feel better about yourself because you are going to be "saved"

Religion is nothing more than social control and has been for millenia
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I don't deny that it gives people comfort, and I have many relatives for whom it fulfills this need.

* "There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved." (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

* "We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

* "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church." (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

You see, there is no salvation outside the church. So in order to give salvation to all the people of this world we need to demolish all churches, so God will shine on all people all around the globe!

Originally posted by sb2012

You see, there is no salvation outside the church. So in order to give salvation to all the people of this world we need to demolish all churches, so God will shine on all people all around the globe!

You see to be confused about the Church of Rome. They are Mystery Babylon of revelations.

Speaking of control,

faith as in religion makes us feel like we have some sort of control over our circumstances

Look at all the religions that have come & gone. Mankinds history is littered with religions that have, to steal a phrase, "withered on the vine".

I say, let the governments of the world ban all religion. The result? If there is one true religion it will be revealed. It will be able to withstand all forces & opposition against it. Some religions teach that this will happen.

Let the cards fall as they may and see what religion has Gods approval and backing.

i was always under the impression that people all the problem not religion.
I've i completely believed in evolution, I'd kill monkeys.
But i'll just stick to being mad at whatever 'creator' deity exists. I doubt could talk him in to getting rid of humans.

WOW, what hate filled responses here. Religion will always be here so why not just mind your own business and live your life in peace as you see fit.

Dont tell me what i can or should believe or not believe. The problum with this world is that people like some here just cant mind thier own business. they feel the need to inject thier warped sense of what is right and wrong on others. I guess its some inner power trip some people go through.

Pediphiles yes kill em all, they hurt children and should all be put away in a pit of burning oil. wheather they act on thier wants or not.

But as far as religion, as along as it doesnt harm me or mine i dont give two cents what someone else believes. Chant till the break of dawn, doesnt hurt my life so why care?

As far as wars go, religion is used as an excuse to fight wars. thoses that dont see that are truly short sited and incapable of understanding true human nature. Wars were and are started for nothing less than gaining more power and Stuff!!!! Every war that has been fought was started becasue someone wanted something someone else had, plan and simple. its human nature to envy and covet. History shows this, the crusades had nothing to do about religion. the crusades were about land and expansion of political power and of course wealth. Religion was used as a tool to motivate the troops so they would win the war.

Soulstealer I dont berate you for what you believe, its your right to think as you do, as its everyones right to think as they want. however its not your right to try and push your agenda on others. Didnt Hitler try and do the same thing?

See you in hell my friend.........................LOL

[edit on 20-6-2007 by geemony]

Originally posted by geemony
WOW, what hate filled responses here. Religion will always be here so why not just mind your own business and live your life in peace as you see fit.

Dont tell me what i can or should believe or not believe. The problum with this world is that people like some here just cant mind thier own business. they feel the need to inject thier warped sense of what is right and wrong on others. I guess its some inner power trip some people go through.

Pediphiles yes kill em all, they hurt children and should all be put away in a pit of burning oil. wheather they act on thier wants or not.

But as far as religion, as along as it doesnt harm me or mine i dont give two cents what someone else believes. Chant till the break of dawn, doesnt hurt my life so why care?
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Problem is very simple. All Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are promoting violent expansion from holy books and since they are brainwashed to believe holy books are inspired by God they take this very seriously and present grave danger to any advanced secular society.

This is present today in Middle East where Muslims are calling to Jihad (holy and deadly war) and in USA where some fundamental groups are promoting Christian Reconstructionism aka Dominionism. One of the plans is to brainwash the kids, for example in summer camps like Jesus Camp and other schools and use them to create Bible-based political, religious and social order. Similar to Islam, where they put you to death if you are perceived to do something wrong according to holy book, even if you are non-violent person.

Check The Dark Bible which has excerpts promoting stoning, death penalty, killing all around, even children and women and so on. Really sick. Certainly NOT word of God.

I say, if you don't like religion, consider the alternative! The many Socialist dictatorships that banned religion hardly came off as enlightened no matter how you slice it. In fact, they were much, much more violent than their Capitalist contemporaries of the time who DIDN'T ban religion!

SB2012

I agree with you and you made a great point. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all come from one man Abraham. And all three religions worship the same GOD of Abraham. This is why IMO religion can not be held accountable for the wars and death that have been carried out throught history. there is no core bases for starting a war over a religion, they all worship the same GOD, just have different interpretations of what GOD teaches. So this would leave only power mongering and greed as a precursor to the Wars in Human History, not religious expansion.

Well there is thread on the UN banning religion, of course the member nations would have to support that action if the UN was to do that. Doesn't seem like will happen does it? When do they ever agree on anything they always veto it.

Is there even a conspiracy in this thread?

Shouldn't this be in faith and spirtuality, or rant, because I don't see any conspiracy here. Unless, of course, you count the legal definition of conspiracy, which means 2 or more people planning a crime together. And I see many users contemplating crimes against Christians....

Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier
Is there even a conspiracy in this thread?

Shouldn't this be in faith and spirtuality, or rant, because I don't see any conspiracy here. Unless, of course, you count the legal definition of conspiracy, which means 2 or more people planning a crime together. And I see many users contemplating crimes against Christians....

It is conspiracy, religions are full of conspiracies in order to enslave people, so they all work for Satan, we could say. People need to wake up, see what is effective and what is misleading and harmful for humanity. Under misleading and harmful i would count war, lies from politicians, lies from corporate elite, lies from monarchies, religion promising salvation thorough church only and let's not forget all the wars and crimes religion ignited. Let's not forget all the people who were tortured and burned because they were independent thinkers. Religion is filled with demons and Satan and hatred.

What is effective? Cooperation, spirituality, technology and exploration. So, let's get rid of ineffective and harmful habits and systems. Let's think with our heads for a change.

[edit on 27-6-2007 by sb2012]

Originally posted by soulstealer2099
People preach love but what kind of love is that. The love you recieve only if you believe and none if you don't. Every religion will say the same thing about thier own...it's full of love. Then explain the consequences of "hell"...what kind of love is that..."you have disobeyed ME or have done wrong in my eyes now you must suffer"...BS! When you love someone you love them unconditionally... there are no rules to follow. If someone you love has done wrong no matter the incident.. do you turn your back on them or will you stand and support them. Religion teaches people to love but only on certain terms...which to me will always be BS>

i agree with you. religio is a plague on this earth.
it's all hypocracy everywhere you look.
can't stand religion myself and i'd be happy if it were all gone tomorrow