Spooks infiltrating UFO community?

Spooks Infiltrating UFO Community - June 13, 2007

from The WIRED Magazine blogs: (June 13, 2007)

SPOOKS INFILTRATING UFO COMMUNITY
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Of course this is nothing new. Spooks have placed themselves in the UFO community from the onset. Maj. Donald Keyhoe had warned us all on this in the 50's. NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) was an example of how an initially well-organized and growing grass-roots civilian UFO research group came under spooks infiltration and was later dismantled and "destroyed" from within. And so this infiltration goes on even today in the so-called UFO community.

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Norio Hayakawa
CIVILIAN INTELLIGENCE NETWORK
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Originally posted by Norio Hayakawa

NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) was an example of how an initially well-organized and growing grass-roots civilian UFO research group came under spooks infiltration and was later dismantled and "destroyed" from within.

Isn't this the same as COINTELPRO ?

If not, why ?

I'm not surprised in the least that there are spooks in this field.

Now, wether they are here to spread disinfo, release info or
just monitor the information we discuss is anyone's guess.

Interesting subject, thanks for bringing it up.

Regards,
Lex

yes, the "spooks" most definitely are active in the UFO field, spreading disinfo, targeting and discrediting people, sometimes murdering people, etc.....

Originally posted by Norio Hayakawa
Of course this is nothing new. Spooks have placed themselves in the UFO community from the onset. Maj. Donald Keyhoe had warned us all on this in the 50's. NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) was an example of how an initially well-organized

This particular story is told in depth in "UFOs and the National Security State" by Richard Dolan. Indeed, the guy who became chairman of NICAP forced Keyhoe out and took over himself, then managed the group so badly that it was forced to decare bankruptcy. The fellow was ex-CIA. I can dig out details if you want, but the story above is basically true.

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[edit on 6/16/2007 by schuyler]

Well, what do you expect.. If people go around mouthing off top secret information, that disclosue of, is a threat to national security and do conferences, release books or DVD's, what do you think is going to happen?
That person is the same threat as a terrorist to certain agencies..
They will be warned, even threatened, and depending if they listen or not or what there threat level is, the problem will be solved , one way or the other.



[edit on 16-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Well, what do you expect.. If people go around mouthing off top secret information, that disclosue of, is a threat to national security and do conferences, release books or DVD's, what do you think is going to happen?
That person is the same threat as a terrorist to certain agencies..
They will be warned, even threatened, and depending if they listen or not or what there threat level is, the problem will be solved , one way or the other.

[edit on 16-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

That is why going very public with sensitive information is the best strategy, because there is safety in numbers....

ATS has been discussing a lot of highly classified issues for years and getting away with it, so have TDP and people like Alex Jones and Aaron Russo and plenty of others....

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by Norio Hayakawa
NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) was an example of how an initially well-organized

This particular story is told in depth in "UFOs and the National Security State" by Richard Dolan ... I can dig out details if you want, but the story above is basically true.

In case it helps, details of the relevant individuals plus references to the relevant pages by Richard Dolan (plus other sources) can be found by searching the webpage below for "NICAP":

ufoleague.blogspot.com...

In relation to NICAP, see (for example) the discussion by Richard M Dolan in his "UFOs and the National Security State: Volume 1" (2000) at pages 270-274 (in Chapter 6) of the Keyhole softcover edition, at pages 190-194, 239 (in Chapter 6) of the 2002 revised Hampton Road softcover
edition.

All the best,

Isaac

[edit on 16-6-2007 by IsaacKoi]

Schuyler,
Thanks for reminding me about Rich Dolan.

Very interesting guy.

You can read about him and quite a few others in the field Here

Regards,
Lex

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Well, what do you expect.. If people go around mouthing off top secret information, that disclosue of, is a threat to national security and do conferences, release books or DVD's, what do you think is going to happen?
That person is the same threat as a terrorist to certain agencies..
They will be warned, even threatened, and depending if they listen or not or what there threat level is, the problem will be solved , one way or the other.

[edit on 16-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

That is why going very public with sensitive information is the best strategy, because there is safety in numbers....

ATS has been discussing a lot of highly classified issues for years and getting away with it, so have TDP and people like Alex Jones and Aaron Russo and plenty of others....

I believe this is possibly what save Lazaar's life.. But now the game is a bit different.
Techniques are different, and it is easier to lead people down the garden path.

You know, I believe these intelligence spooks probably know alot of things about me that I've had inklings about but never the ability to find resolute answers for. I'm sure some people deeply entrenched in intelligence could enlighten me as to what I can only ruminate about. If there are any spooks in here, by all means get in contact with me. I'm very good at keeping secrets.

[edit on 16-6-2007 by Reptilian_Queen]

Spooks Infiltrating UFO Community

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Well, what do you expect.. If people go around mouthing off top secret information, that disclosue of, is a threat to national security and do conferences, release books or DVD's, what do you think is going to happen?
That person is the same threat as a terrorist to certain agencies..
They will be warned, even threatened, and depending if they listen or not or what there threat level is, the problem will be solved , one way or the other.

[edit on 16-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

Yea! Found One!!!! His name even fits (diabolically) FOWL PLAY!!!


Good work Mr.Hayakawa you just drew one out of the woodwork !!
I am keeping my eye on you FOWL.

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened

Yea! Found One!!!! His name even fits (diabolically) FOWL PLAY!!!


Good work Mr.Hayakawa you just drew one out of the woodwork !!
I am keeping my eye on you FOWL.

LOL!

Talk about ominous sounding post!

If your referring to my post as sounding "ominous" I think you haven't been reading, just skimming... what sounds more ominous to you?

They will be warned, even threatened, and depending if they listen or not or what there threat level is, the problem will be solved , one way or the other.

OR.....

Good work Mr.Hayakawa you just drew one out of the woodwork !! I am keeping my eye on you FOWL.

Hmmm need a moment? I don't know about you...but I'm keeping my eye on the guy who claims people are gonna get DEALT with....one way or the other.

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
Hmmm need a moment? I don't know about you...but I'm keeping my eye on the guy who claims people are gonna get DEALT with....one way or the other.

Yes, his post is what I was referring to.

In the artical from the url , it say's that their there because people maybe
leaking classified material from the government .. Well , if there's no
such things as ufo's , why would there be anything classified about them ?

If the goverment is hasseling you over UFOs then maybe thats because it's one of ours. When everyone and thier neighbor has an A-Bomb, any new super tech needs to be kept classified, it's an ace in the hole in case we need it. Allowing and pushing the whole alien=UFO thing doesn't seem to get much attention because they know it's fake.

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
If the goverment is hasseling you over UFOs then maybe thats because it's one of ours. When everyone and thier neighbor has an A-Bomb, any new super tech needs to be kept classified, it's an ace in the hole in case we need it. Allowing and pushing the whole alien=UFO thing doesn't seem to get much attention because they know it's fake.

Excuse me me Lord Basketcase, but even though some of the UFOs reported every year may indeed turn out to be ours, that does not by any means make the entire "UFO thing" fake. That kind of logic is ridiculous.

I don't doubt in the least that "THEY" are within the UFO community. Imagine the knowledge that could be gleaned from alien vehicles, computers and EBE's. Of course they're gonna monitor and discredit anyone that gets in their way. Just look what happened to John Mack the Harvad Dr. who studied and researched UFO abductee's. Killed by a "drunk driver" while crossing a street. Yeah right.

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Techniques are different, and it is easier to lead people down the garden path.

yeah, like the C2C Drone that has all the ufo seekers up in arms. With all the fake stuff being created by who knows who, it makes it harder and harder to separate the truth.

Originally posted by LordBaskettIVAllowing and pushing the whole alien=UFO thing doesn't seem to get much attention because they know it's fake.

Now your getting the idea

[edit on 17-6-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Techniques are different, and it is easier to lead people down the garden path.

yeah, like the C2C Drone that has all the ufo seekers up in arms. With all the fake stuff being created by who knows who, it makes it harder and harder to separate the truth.


[edit on 17-6-2007 by zorgon]

That is a good example Zorgon, anyone can keep there eyes on me as long as they want lol, it dont matter.. Speculation is not that much of a problem, especially as we are often wrong lol.. But gross misconduct of disclosing information that one has signed an official secrets act for is seriously frowned upon.. And for good reason.. I am all for the existence of Aliens, damn is anyone really ignorant enough to believe that there is not other life existing in the universe , these days???
What i am saying, is not all UFO's are alien vessels, and not all Aliens are real.