Video & Evidence There Was No Controlled Demo

Very Intrsting Video,

However I saw no "Twisting" of the building at all.

What I saw was the corner of the buildings "outer structure" being PULLED INWARDS.

if indeed the internal Colums were pre-cut or destroyed , I imagine the Internal colum structure to fall first PULLING the outer structure inwards as seen in the Video.

so In my mind the above Video Points more towards CD than anything else I've seen IMO which kinda makes me chuckkle given the title of this thread.

Intresting Video, I'm leaning more towards CD now, Thankyou.

Hmmm another rash of new posters trying, and failing, to de-bunk the 'truthers', and ignoring the hard questions that put the official story in question. It's getting so predictable...

Anyone who has been here for a couple of yrs should see this pattern quite clearly... It happens like clockwork.

Why don't you try answering the questions asked on the first page of your post? You do have answers for the questions right? You must to be so sure the official story is what happened?
Answer the questions and prove us wrong, or admit that the official story has holes you can't even begin to fill. And no, a link to someones web site is not enough, we want to hear your understanding of it, thanx.

Step up to the plate mate, quit ignoring the hard questions. You do realise the only people agreeing with you are the other new posters, and the predictable old ones right? Who have either done no real research or are lying, for whatever reason... Take the chance to prove me wrong.

[edit on 13/6/2007 by ANOK]

I have been a member for years, i was on the old board before it changed, i have lurked for a few years on the new board, but i have been abroad mainly on foreign assignments. I have answered questions asked of me, but i dont have to debunk some of the whacky truth theories. there are many holes in the official story. But this thread is about the Video and that it corraborates the official story and shows the collapse of the structure starting and twisting at the impact area. I consider it relevant footage, and as i had not seen it before on ATS, i considered it worthy of posting and initiating debate, at least i present evidence, unlike some of the wild truther theories you are talking about.
I have nothing to prove, i have served my country and after losing someone close on 9/11 i have researched hard, i believed a lot of the CT's at first and one by one they have fallen away, and although i know there is information being withheld, i am satisfied that it is being withheld for the interest of national Security..
If you can stay on topic and wish to ask a questoion, fire away..

[edit on 13-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

[edit on 13-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

Originally posted by ANOK
Anyone who has been here for a couple of yrs should see this pattern quite clearly...

Amen Anok, I think alot of us old schoolers are starting to wear a little thin arguing with every johnny come lately that seems intent on disproving our 'wild conspiracy theories'.
I've poured my heart and soul into more than a few 9-11 related threads, so please excuse my prior remark if it seemed sarcastic, it's just frustrating to see somebody think they can come to this site and put us in our place with no more than what's been offered here as evidence.

There's a wealth of them, but here's a couple threads that I have worked on you can choose to read or ignore,
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and here's a very compelling, if not undebunkable, video you can watch or not watch...
video.google.com...

But in all seriousness, you really do need more than that to come here and tell us we're not in the ball park.

Originally posted by Fowl Play
I have been a member for years,

"Registered: 18-5-2007"??

[edit on 13-6-2007 by twitchy]

I am more than qualified to comment on the subject and on many others on ATS, i have been a member longer than 90+% of the site...

If you could stay on topic, i hear derailing a thread is not acceptable these days, or being a newbie did i misunderstand that?

Originally posted by Fowl Play

If you can stay on topic and wish to ask a questoion, fire away..

[edit on 13-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

[edit on 13-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

My main question is why are the 3 WTC buidlings that collapsed that day the only steel buildings in history to collapse from fire, specially when you have other steel buidlings that have had worse fires and worse structural damage and did not collapse ?

The NIST and FEMA reports both state the buidlings withstood the planes impacts so that only leaves fires that caused the buildings to collapse.

Also we have videos and photos of the fires burning out weel before the buidlings collasped so what casued the molten steel in the basements ?

Originally posted by Fowl Play
i have been a member longer than 90+% of the site...
or being a newbie did i misunderstand that?

LOL ok... So is posting information that you know to be misleading if you want to get sticky about it. Are you new or old here?

this is a new profile, i am an old member from back in the day lol.
Back on topic please and respect to all

[edit on 13-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

I'm just going to take a wild guess here and say Netchicken?
How was Turkey, Fowl? lol


[edit on 13-6-2007 by twitchy]

Still looks like a CD to me....I even turned my speakers up and heard the popping sounds when the tower starts to go down. In most of the other vids you have a better view and can see the thermite explosions going off at this point, but this cameraman was too far zoomed to capture that.

so fowl play, you know there is information being withheld on the 9/11 attacks.. and you think that it's ok because 'it is in the best interest of national security.'

what could possibly be withheld that would be in the government's best interest of national security? think long and hard about that one.. according to you, terrorists boarded planes, flew them into the towers and they collapsed due to that.. end of story.. and you acknowlege that information is withheld, yet what could possibly be withheld from your perspective of what happened? it just seems you are blindly defending the government off that statement alone

I never said that the official story was completely right, i said i have corraborated facts that support the official story..
Look im an Ex Royal Marine, not a boy. This thread is about the video, to debate that the impact could of infact caused collapse and this in turn backs up the official story, i do not believe it all, but that is not the subject matter at hand in this thread...
This is derailment going on, im not saying with intent, but could we concentrate on the thread in hand ?

Information is always compartmentalized, the information being held on 9/11 is a security issue, it has to be kept secret otherwise it could cause civil unrest and possibly breach national security. Your Governments will never let that happen, it is some of the services jobs to keep a low level national security risk and to keep things calm.
The info will get released in the future when it can no longer harm national security. IE.. when we are all dead.


[edit on 13-6-2007 by Fowl Play]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
My main question is why are the 3 WTC buidlings that collapsed that day the only steel buildings in history to collapse from fire, specially when you have other steel buidlings that have had worse fires and worse structural damage and did not collapse ?

The NIST and FEMA reports both state the buidlings withstood the planes impacts so that only leaves fires that caused the buildings to collapse.

Also we have videos and photos of the fires burning out weel before the buidlings collasped so what casued the molten steel in the basements ?

The official story cannot answer these primordial questions, ULTIMA.

Evidence of controlled demolitions is just one of the many aspects of 911 that the official story can't even begin to explain.

There are so many unanswered questions and inconsistencies with the laws of physics and lies and contradictions that can't be explained through the official story.

If the official story would have been consistent with the events that took place surrounding 911, there would be no need for people to research for the truth.

Since there are millions of people who sees how flimsy the official story is,
it dictates the manifestation of people who seeks the answers to these unanswered questions.



[edit on 13-6-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by Fowl Play
www.metacafe.com...

check this out..
no explosions prior to collapse


Watching the building twist before collapse is not a coincidence, it was this type of structural damage that really did cause the towers to collapse..

the scene focused on that 'spot' on that building,
so one cannot deduce that real or imagined explosions were not happening elsewhere.

in fact all these vaious videos, of different areas of interest to the one running the camera, don't really prove any theory....
they are only videotaping isolated acts of damage & failure...

the only way to make a fairly close to accurate account is to coordinate all the various videos from all those vantage points
and coordinate in real time all the ongoing damage scenes
on a graphic of each single tower...with smaller inserts showing what is
happening at each location filmed, and in co-ordinated real time motion.

that way we can see if the section of floor truss anchors that were shown to 'pop' from the exterior wall on another/different video,
had any relationship to this OP video
where the 'corner' exterior column sort of collapsed but seems to blast inward (as you can see the fireball intensify & go into the structure)
instead of the fire licking upwards on the outside of the building prior to the twist-&-colapse...

or perhaps this twist-&-collapse of the outside corner,
is directly related to the time when another video showed the top of the building with the antenna tower tilt about 15 degrees then start falling straight downward in the buildings footprint...??
Was this the cause of the twist-&-collapse of this section of the 1 corner of the building?
Was this the same building? tower 2??

talking about being compartmentalized...
the stand alone videos of the damages & collapse are another way of
divorcing each event from one another, which is a form of compartmentalization...which suits different persons for different reasons,
a case can only be 'built up'
the answer of the universal collapses will never be found in disjointed
parts of videos forever held on to as 'proofs' of whatever anomaly
seems apparent to a biased viewer of that solitary point of focus.

someone's gotta have the burning desire to compose such a video presentation...

without drawing conclusions on the individual events & what they 'appear' to be...
thanks


[edit on 13-6-2007 by St Udio]

Originally posted by Fowl Play
You have clear video evidence that shows the impact area twisting causing total collapse...
Im afraid the more you look into the halfbaked CT's the more they look ridiculous, i know this wont get resolved here, but this video in my eyes is good evidence to back up the official line yet again. If people do really look hard enough they can see the BS for what it is..
A lot of you need to be careful where you point the finger, because this type of unpatriotic abuse will eventually be drawn up in the anti-terror laws..As if the US would seriously authorize 9/11..
People insinuating such things in history would of been thrown in the tower and hung, drawn and quartered..
Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, but when it can incite hatred against others and its own government, it can border on terrorism.

Are you listening to what you are saying ?? We can't even question our government or we'll be considered terrorists?? Uh ok Freedom of speech!
Wake up and listen to your self.

Orion_

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Griff,

I don't know what the heck that says. What is a safety factor?

A factor of safety is an engineering term that means that the columns could actually hold 2 times more than the load. That's all. Like if I said the design load is 10, if the factor of safety is 2. Then we actually specify a member that will take the load of 20. Does that make sense? I'm not really good at explaining myself.

Originally posted by Fowl Play
I consider it relevant footage, and as i had not seen it before on ATS, i considered it worthy of posting and initiating debate, at least i present evidence, unlike some of the wild truther theories you are talking about.

How about thinking about what I have said. For some reason the "skeptics"/OCTers whatever you want to call yourselves these days have ignored my ACTUAL structural calculations. Why? To be honest, the calculations in this thread are not really structural calculations but a way to show what I am talking about. Any feed back?

i know there is information being withheld, i am satisfied that it is being withheld for the interest of national Security..

So, witholding the construction documents of buildings that will NEVER be again is national security? If that is good enough for you, then so be it. To me, it spells cover-up. Why can't I study what actually happened that day? Sorry to call BS.

Originally posted by Spoodily
The thermite that was used for the initial collapse was not to make a huge explosion, but to slice through the steel beams like a hot knife through butter. This was done inside the buildings structure, not on the outer parts.

The latter explosions as the building was coming down were to ensure the building fell all the way to the ground and demolish it completely. They would not be as noticable because the building's debris would be blocking most of the view.

right on. good thinking.

anti-conspiracy theorists insist on one type of device. in fact, several were used, with the most obvious and undeniable ones being large jets, and the least obvious up for wild speculation.

bowing in of exterior columns happens whether the core fails without assistance, or with incendiary/explosive assistance. the bowing is part of the collapse, and proves nothing except that the walls bowed in prior to the runaway plummet of the entire building.

Originally posted by twitchy
I'm just going to take a wild guess here and say Netchicken?
How was Turkey, Fowl? lol

I'll take it one step further. CameronFox? Howard Roarke? Agent Smith? Pick your pony. They've all been back in one form or another. Just like roaches, they never leave.

And if the mods want to warn me or ban me for stating the obvious, so be it.

Originally posted by Fowl Play
This is derailment going on, im not saying with intent, but could we concentrate on the thread in hand ?

You mean what you guys have done to each and every thread Killtown has made? Pot...this is Kettle. And again I say, I don't care anymore if I get banned. The biasness of this board is so obvious it's discusting.

it has to be kept secret otherwise it could cause civil unrest and possibly breach national security.

How? Please explain how the truth can cause civil unrest. Unless the government was involved that is.

The info will get released in the future when it can no longer harm national security. IE.. when we are all dead.

So you and your "masters" hope.

[edit on 6/13/2007 by Griff]