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Why did a FOX News employee, who witnessed the second tower attack, report seeing no windows on “Flight 175” a commercial United Airlines jetliner? Why did another eyewitness report that United Airlines Flight 175 was not a commercial airliner? What kind of plane hit the second tower?
ANSWER: As FOX employee Marc Birnbach states in DVK's original IPS, he saw the plane from a subway station in Brooklyn, and it turns out that this subway stop was about two miles from the crash, which he did not see. Birnbach’s distance from the plane would make it impossible to see the windows of a plane silhouetted against the morning sky. I suspect that the other eyewitness is the hysterical woman separated from Manhattan by a very long bridge screaming, "That is not an American airline!" You don't have to be a genius to know that other closer eyewitnesses saw a commercial airline, and that other photos show the plane with UA markings, and that debris found in the WTC wreckage is of a commercial airliner with windows. But Dave's job is to keep those nonsensical questions in the mix.
Also note the spacing difference between the windows themselves. The spacing between the passenger windows appears to be more than double the space between the cockpit windows.
So, what does this mean to me? First, the smaller passenger windows will obviously be more difficult to see from a distance and more suceptable to masking via image distortion than the cockpit windows would. Second, windows that are closer together are more likely to appear as a long line, pointing out their location from a distance, even if you can't make out the details. The passenger windows with the greater space between them will be less likely to appear as a line, making their location harder to pin point.
Now go back and take a look at the UA175 port side picture above and look closely at the cockpit windows. What do you see? I see a thin black line, barely visible. I do not see windows seperated with spacer bars like you do on the a.net photos. Now try and hunt for the half-sized passenger windows in the UA175 picture. Do you think you could spot them in these pictures given how hard it is to see the larger cockpit windows?
Ok, now I'll briefly touch on the starboard side view. This picture is not a good choice for backing up the 'no windows' theory. Just look at the angle of the plane. The passenger windows are on the top half of the fuselage.... the grey strip that you see. The fuselage is round, so as the plane banks at the sharp angle that we see, we would not see (if we could see them) the windows in a parallel fashion. They are tilted away from the camera at this angle.
Originally posted by selfless
I'v seen planes at low altitudes like the world trade center hight before and yes, I was able to see the windows.
Here's a high def video of the second plane hit.
Sure, that doesn't mean there were no windows for sure but still I can't see them.
Originally posted by IAttackPeople
So, we're dragging out this old canard again? It's like 2002 all over again...
Originally posted by selfless
I'v seen planes at low altitudes like the world trade center hight before and yes, I was able to see the windows.
That's nice. Meaningless, but nice.
Originally posted by IAttackPeople
There's no such thing as "high def video" on YouTube.
Originally posted by IAttackPeople
You really think you could make-out an airliner window in that video? Really?
Originally posted by IAttackPeople
Can you post a pic/vid cap of UA 175 where you think windows should be visible but aren't? Thanks.
Originally posted by earth2
As for this thread. Are there any pictures or video anywhere clear enough to see the plane to be able to tell if it does have windows or not.
Originally posted by selfless
Well there are witnesses who said they saw planes with out windows.
If you think these witnesses are not credible then you can't say the witnesses who saw planes are credible either.
That's a double standard.
Therefor, it's possible that these were planes with out windows.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
No, because that's the point. An airplane window is 10"x15". There's NO POSSIBLE WAY that a video taken from over a mile away or farther is going to show something that small. Look at the picture I posted earlier. That's a MUCH closer, MUCH higher resolution, and it's STILL difficult to see the windows in it. And that plane was at take off speed, so it was probably around 180mph. Flight 175 was at 500+.
Originally posted by DoomX
There was debris with windows. I'm sure this was planted though.... right?
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by DoomX
There was debris with windows. I'm sure this was planted though.... right?
From the photo you posted it looks more like windows from a business jet not a large passenger jet.