New Video: september clues exposes 911 TV Fakery

Originally posted by jprophet420
ive already answered once. its in the OP. OP means original post. (i honestly dont know if you understand that at this point).

You said: "in one 'live' video its missing, but in the archive video it is there. again one of the videos was faked."

I cannot find a portion of any of the "September" videos that indicate one version of footage has one thing, and the exact same archive footage from the same source is different.

Can you please provide the video number and time code so I can see what you're referring to? This is a potentially important point, and I think we need to ensure we're getting the message correctly.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Zaphod58

redneck said.....
pass the durn turkey fryer!

But yet, the point has been raised about the six ton engines not going through walls. We're getting both sides of the argument here. Those buildings were essentially hollow where that plane hit. It was so off center, that the right engine would have totally missed the core, and had only thin drywall sections to go through until the other perimeter wall. At 500mph that engine is going to have a HELL of a lot of momentum behind it.

that's what i said. we see something punch through, and then it just disappears. so, what was it? where did the enormous momentum go? where did the mystery super bullet disappear to?
the ONE engine that supposedly landed on the street(although, whether that's the engine from a 767 is still a matter of debate.) didn't disappear in mid air. you can see something large trail off towards earth , and that is presumably the engine. it is not the 'nose out' object we see, that penetrates out, and then disappears.

the buildings were not essentially hollow. the whole plane would have come out the other side, if they were. the plane was on an angle, and met resistance from at least two, and maybe three or four floors. the walls were not the only obstacle.

don't try this at home. punch the flat side of a long board. it bends, and absorbs the shock.
now take the same board, and punch the thin edge.
the thin edge of the floor is what the plane were minced by, inside the buildings. the floors act like knives.



even NIST says so.


"redneck"....HAHAHAHA!!!! i like that. it's so not me, and the reason i chose the name to begin with.

Originally posted by Krahzeef_Ukhar
Yeah I don't get it, The supposed proof of a holographic place is a plane shaped smoke puff which has a shadow.

If it was a hologram and they screwed up meaning for a sec you could see the nose leave. Why would they have inserted the shadow as well?

Just a quick bump, I'd really like some sort of explanation for this? I don't want to bag any theory unless it deserves it. However.......

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www.brasschecktv.com...

Videos detailing the "no-plane" hitting the second tower..

I've been absent from the forum for 1 week, due to my internet being disconnected (lol), and im laughing at the "this forum is being watched notice"..

Seems like a nerve has been touched somewhere.. and i wonder what theory is responsible

Originally posted by shrunkensimon
www.brasschecktv.com...

Videos detailing the "no-plane" hitting the second tower..

I've been absent from the forum for 1 week, due to my internet being disconnected (lol), and im laughing at the "this forum is being watched notice"..

Seems like a nerve has been touched somewhere.. and i wonder what theory is responsible

I think you'll find that the "touched nerve" was in fact not caused by a theory, but rather a select group's chosen method of delivering said theory.

Bullying tactics, base language, low-brow attacks, and forum stalking pretty much covers it.

Originally posted by PartChimp
I think you'll find that the "touched nerve" was in fact not caused by a theory, but rather a select group's chosen method of delivering said theory.

Bullying tactics, base language, low-brow attacks, and forum stalking pretty much covers it.

Maybe, but the fact remains, the theory deserves more credit than it is currently getting by the "truth" community. I honestly think everyone needs to take a step back and wake up for a second time.. wake up to the fact that the 9/11 truth movement has been co-opted since the very beginning, and has been pushed further away from the truth of the day by people like Dylan/Loose Change and Prof Jones and his ludicrous thermite theory.

Again, i overlooked it myself until recently..the only reason i reconsidered it, despite its "crazy" appearance, is that one can not claim to know the truth, or anything near to it, unless one has considered ALL angles.. and that includes the theories that make you go "errrr no..crazy bs". I HAD to look at it again, otherwise i was not being honest to myself.

And it just so happens that the theory makes more sense than anything else put together by the 9/11 truth movement thus far.

Its all fair n well saying that "Norad stood down" and that there were "war games", but that doesn't excuse the fact that 4 planes supposedly managed to go unnoticed for so long, without implementing NORAD, people at the FAA etc..

Fact is, the no plane theory solves all the holes in the true story. No need for a stand down, no need to bring in more people on the conspiracy at the FAA etc.


Again, everyone needs to honestly reconsider it. Video evidence does not lie. And we have video feed from the day showing various CGI errors, aswell as various people on the ground saying they saw/heard no plane.

Look at the kennedy assassination... without the video, the conspiracy would go nowhere.

Look at the WTC "collapses".. that shows something more spectacular than thermite or RDX..

The truth IS in plane site.

What planes went unnoticed? The only plane that they didn't know exactly where it was was flight 77, and that was only for about 30 minutes, because they were looking for it too far West. They knew exactly where every plane was, they just didn't have the fighters to intercept them due to the fact that they cut the size of the alert force after the end of the Cold War.

Krahzeef_Ukhar

You might not believe this, but the argument here is not against holograms, but the people who are for this 'no plane' theory are actually saying the NEWS USED CGI!

But your question still remains as well as the question much earlier on by chimp.

If this was a CGI mistake, why does it occur in two different video feeds?

Secondly, your question. Why the shadow on a mistake?

The other shocking thing in this, is when you start to realize a lot of these theories began with a Chicago Grandmother who is internet savy, and who knew early on tv fakery happened!

BTW the video curiously of the 'nose' or whatever going through was supplied by the 'Grandmother'.

Better known as the..........TheWebFairy

So I still would like to see the original. I don't trust anything from the Webfairy.

wow man that was scary wat was in that video and it would be great if they said in the video who they think was responsebl for 9/11 or why the goverment sent a missel to the twin towers and attack its own millitary comand center

Hi all

I just wanted to stick my oar in. I read a few of the threads about this subject and two things stuck out to me.

1. If they went to all the trouble of flying two planes into the twin towers why would they use a missile or what ever the current theory is on the pentagon? They would need to use a plane otherwise it would be too risky that someone with video footage/evidence would come forward to say there was no plane (no I am sorry it just does not make sense. I believe this is some sort of smoke screen/distraction from the real issue; my second point). Also I find it shocking that one of the most advanced country's in the world did not spot planes heading towards these VERY important American buildings. They spot U.F.O. often enough. Logic tells me that a blind eye was cast over this. Also should the people responsible for these planes have noticed them heading off course (who are they again; oh yes the air traffic control; the people who job it is to track the planes)???????????

2. It seems to me the real issue is with how the towers collapsed. When speaking to my friend he agreed that this was the major issue. He is a real good (professional) architect and agreed those planes should not have brought the buildings down so cleanly and easily. Watching them collapse is horrific but I force myself to watch as this to me is the biggest clue/evidence that this was a setup; a vile thing but just look at the human races history and judge for yourself whether there are people out there capable of doing this and I think you will know the truth.

Oh and don’t forget this mysterious building number seven with its bomb proofed windows' own air/water supply and how it collapsed (looks controlled to me).
The whole thing stinks but the biggest weakness in the whole thing is the collapse of the twin towers and building seven (watch the footage and judge for yourself).

My very last point is this. This truth will never be known. We (human race) have sat back and allowed them to develop theirs weapons/army's (they can just cross their arms and ignore us). They hold all the keys and do you think that whoever planned something of this magnitude would ever leave a scrap of evidence around that might prove one way another (sorry I think not).

Good hunting.

Originally posted by WeAreOne

1. If they went to all the trouble of flying two planes into the twin towers why would they use a missile or what ever the current theory is on the pentagon? They would need to use a plane otherwise it would be too risky that someone with video footage/evidence would come forward to say there was no plane (no I am sorry it just does not make sense.)

Did you watch the 3 video's? They aren't saying that planes hit the towers, they are saying that missiles hit both towers and because of a delay in the broadcast they could cover up the missiles by putting a plane in it's place.

Originally posted by WeAreOne
I believe this is some sort of smoke screen/distraction from the real issue; my second point). Also I find it shocking that one of the most advanced country's in the world did not spot planes heading towards these VERY important American buildings. They spot U.F.O. often enough. Logic tells me that a blind eye was cast over this. Also should the people responsible for these planes have noticed them heading off course (who are they again; oh yes the air traffic control; the people who job it is to track the planes)???????????

I have to agree with you here, this makes no sense to me. Someone was obviously told what was going on and told to ignore it.

Originally posted by WeAreOne
2. It seems to me the real issue is with how the towers collapsed. When speaking to my friend he agreed that this was the major issue. He is a real good (professional) architect and agreed those planes should not have brought the buildings down so cleanly and easily. Watching them collapse is horrific but I force myself to watch as this to me is the biggest clue/evidence that this was a setup; a vile thing but just look at the human races history and judge for yourself whether there are people out there capable of doing this and I think you will know the truth.

Yes both buildings coming down like that was interesting, what are the chances of both buildings collapsing in the same way? I don't believe the theory that the bulding couldn't support the weight of the falling floors. It wouldn't collapse the way it did, it would of fallen abit, then got stuck, then give way, then get stuck again etc. etc..

Originally posted by WeAreOne
Oh and don’t forget this mysterious building number seven with its bomb proofed windows' own air/water supply and how it collapsed (looks controlled to me).
The whole thing stinks but the biggest weakness in the whole thing is the collapse of the twin towers and building seven (watch the footage and judge for yourself).

Ah yes the famous building seven with all of them "precious" documents in it. Out of all the buildings around the towers this was the one that fell too.

Originally posted by WeAreOne
My very last point is this. This truth will never be known. We (human race) have sat back and allowed them to develop theirs weapons/army's (they can just cross their arms and ignore us). They hold all the keys and do you think that whoever planned something of this magnitude would ever leave a scrap of evidence around that might prove one way another (sorry I think not).

Good hunting.

Unfortunatly I believe you are right, but mainly because no matter what evidence is put forward, the government will always deny it and say it's just a "conspiracy"

Hi all

Originally posted by DodgeG1
Did you watch the 3 videos? They aren't saying that planes hit the towers; they are saying that missiles hit both towers and because of a delay in the broadcast they could cover up the missiles by putting a plane in its place.

Thank you for the feedback and yes I did watch the videos and my view on this theory is the reason people are finding these inconsistencies in the various pieces of footage are down to the fact that they were/have been tampered with but not for the reason some people believe. I actually think that what they did was to make it appear worse than what it actually was so when the buildings were brought down/collapsed no one would be too surprised that two planes had somehow managed to annihilate these two Titan's of buildings.
Think about it; if it is some kind of conspiracy then whoever master minded it would have wanted it as real as possible and to me that includes actually flying planes into buildings. It would need to be as real as possible to cover all the bases

But I must agree that it is possible missiles were used due to the fact that the planes explode exactly at the point after the plane has gone into the building and also are these planes not tested to destruction; should they have blown up so easily? It would also explain why there was no radar contact; especially if they came in fast and low. All of this stinks and people know it but the implications are so massive; I can understand people not wanting to see the truth allowing this to go on.

Originally posted by WeAreOne
My very last point is this. This truth will never be known. We (human race) have sat back and allowed them to develop theirs weapons/army's (they can just cross their arms and ignore us). They hold all the keys and do you think that whoever planned something of this magnitude would ever leave a scrap of evidence around that might prove one way another (sorry I think not).

Originally posted by DodgeG1
Unfortunately I believe you are right, but mainly because no matter what evidence is put forward, the government will always deny it and say it's just a "conspiracy"

That is a good point.
It’s not just that factor though. A hundred or so years ago if the peasants didn’t like the way things were going they rose up and changed things; they literally pulled down kings. Ask yourself what would happen today with their weapons/technology/army/police?
We would not last five seconds.

I just want to add this for anyone personally involved in this subject.
I have the up most respect for the innocent souls that were lost in this vile tragedy against humankind. I mean no disrespect with these posts. I am just trying to get people to see that there are very big questions with no answers and the souls lost deserve nothing less than the truth. By that I mean that the American government must know the truth about what really happened which leads to one if the biggest questions for me about this whole thing. Why have they done nothing to answer people's doubts on this subject? Surely if it was a genuine terrorist attack they must have evidence to prove beyond all doubt. THEY MUST HAVE IT SO WHY NOT PRESENT IT SO THIS CAN BE LAID TO REST? WHY DENY THE POOR SOULS PEACE?
If you have lost this along the way listen to the phone call of the soul inside one tower when it collapses.
I don’t need to say anymore.

Originally posted by WeAreOne

Think about it; if it is some kind of conspiracy then whoever master minded it would have wanted it as real as possible and to me that includes actually flying planes into buildings. It would need to be as real as possible to cover all the bases

This is the question that has been puzzling me the most when I watched the video's. They don't answer it though so I guess it's up to us to find out

They could of even used Drone planes instead of missiles, atleast it would of looked more like a plane.

To all gullible people of our strange world:

Do you think its possible that one Boeing of 150 tons can raze to the ground a powerful skyscraper of 500,000 tons making it to fall down like it was made of butter?

















































STEEL IS NOT SOFT LIKE THE CRAP OF BIN LADEN'S CAMEL.



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Video evidence is clear.

But why did America stand down on 9/11?

President, Pentagon, FBI, Vice President, Mayor and Governor. FAA
and keep on listing. No wonder you hear cries of inside job.

Taking into account many non government approved government actions
of years past it seems clear that a powerful weapon is holding them hostage.

Go back to the WWII FOO and the Antarctic UFO battle, the FOO grew up
and can wipe out any plane or ship. Forget what normal weapons can do.

One rules from power and that weapon is the ruling power.
That weapon can make things happen and looks like many of those
things happening are tied to conspiracy theories (CTs).

Where was Bush when JFK Jr. died? Why did the FAA stand down on the
JFK Jr. rescue.

Perhaps now we know why.

Not that it has anything to do with 9/11 or tv fakery, but the COAST GUARD, not the FAA called off the JFK Jr search, because they had gone past the point where anyone could still be alive floating in the ocean without finding survivors. The FAA has nothing to do with a Search and Rescue. That's all Coast Guard.

Originally posted by bigbrain
To all gullible people of our strange world:

Do you think its possible that one Boeing of 150 tons can raze to the ground a powerful skyscraper of 500,000 tons making it to fall down like it was made of butter?

bigbrain,

The Start to Finish construction of the Twin Towers has been documented here on Many occasion, what Exactly is contribution?

Yes. The towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 707, multiples ... at that.

Yet, what happened, happened. Could you possibly expound upon exactly Why and How you've come to said conclusions? I'm sure it would assist others in understanding your position, overall.

"gullible people", OR ... more simply, curious inquisitors?



Thanks in advance ....

 

Not that it has anything to do with 9/11 or tv fakery, but the COAST GUARD, not the FAA called off the JFK Jr search, because they had gone past the point where anyone could still be alive floating in the ocean without finding survivors. The FAA has nothing to do with a Search and Rescue. That's all Coast Guard.

The FAA did not call the Coast Guard, so what happened.

Thanks for clearing up what I already know, I know you read my post and
evidently the FAKERY factories stood up and normal GOVERNMENT
parties STOOD DOWN.

Do not stand up for mis information, thank very much.

Really? Then please explain to us all how the US Navy, Coast Guard, and other agencies knew to look for him? Did they suddenly just say "Oh my god! JFK Jr is missing!" and go out to find him?

Hmm, you're right about one thing. The FAA notified the AIR FORCE Search and Rescue Center, not the Coast Guard.

The Air Force was notified - the Air Force Rescue Coordination Center is the official name of the organization, at Langley Air Force Base. It's actually in Hampton, Virginia, which is just north of Norfolk in the Tidewater area. Received a call through the FAA around 3:00 o'clock this morning that Mr. Kennedy's aircraft was overdue and they began their search and rescue efforts. Again, I'll let Colonel Roark explain in detail what that will be. They're searching along the presumed flight path between Essex County Airport near Caldwell, New Jersey, and Martha's Vineyard. They're also looking around Martha's Vineyard, Long Island Sound, and the South Shore of Long Island.

Right now the Air Force has involved an HC-130 aircraft which we use for search and rescue. It's an Air National Guard aircraft out of Gabreski Field in New York. It is acting as the airborne air traffic control aircraft coordinating the efforts of fifteen Civil Air Patrol aircraft which are... the Civil Air Patrol is the official civilian auxiliary of the United States Air Force. It's a volunteer organization that participates in some 80 percent of search and rescue type of operations, mostly the search portion of the operations that occur in the United States today.

www.defenselink.mil...

I'll say it again slower, the FAA has NOTHING to do with Search and Rescue operations, except to notify the proper agencies, which they did.

However, this has nothing to do with 9/11 OR TV Fakery, so this is the last I'll say about it, unless you want to start another thread about it.

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