What are you opinions on crop circles?

Well you do have a good point.

I'd still like to find out how the make all those designs that they do.

Off to Google I go...

Originally posted by iCEdTenG
Sorry could you please provide evidence where the hoaxers have admitted to all crop circles?

Do I have to provide evidence that NONE of the large # of trees in my backyard are alien probes disguised as trees? After all, I have a lot of trees, and they can't ALL just be trees, right? Since I've only carefully examined a few of them, it stands to reason that a small but non-zero percentage of the ones I haven't identified must be alien-created. Is that the kind of reasoning we're using here?

Originally posted by realyweely
The reason there is not much interest in them is obvious. In the 70's and 80's the people that make them were caught on video doing it.
Lots of tests were made and despite a lot of gobbledegook about 'increased radiation levels' (which can be found all across the uk) there was no extra terrestrial connection made.

Do you honestly think people from other worlds are going to go to great expense to build and fly ships hundreds of light years only to be able to communicate via circles in crops?

They are made by small wind vortices, old men and uni students.

I do respect your opinion on this however i find myself thinking, with regards to people being filmed in the 70's and 80's that some people have attempted to hoax these but im sure that this would only account for a small number of these circles. Obviously you are going to get people that think "what a great idea, im gonna make me one of those".

A lot of the Crop Circles are way way to intricate in their design to be created in the middle of a field, at night (which i assume would be near zero visibility) and with a limited time scale.

Im not sure about people with such advanced technology going to all this trouble, maybe they are not an attempt to communicate with us but some type of communication between themselves (a marker or something similar) maybe they only intend for this communication to be temporary (assuming it is communication)

I do accept that a lot of these are hoaxes, its the same with any paranormal subject (if it is paranormal) youre always gonna get the odd few hoaxers out for attention but i feel that it would be unfair to just write all of these off as a hoax because a few people have been caught on video and admitted to this.

Cheers all,

Dal

Originally posted by Sophismata

Originally posted by iCEdTenG
Sorry could you please provide evidence where the hoaxers have admitted to all crop circles?

Do I have to provide evidence that NONE of the large # of trees in my backyard are alien probes disguised as trees? After all, I have a lot of trees, and they can't ALL just be trees, right? Since I've only carefully examined a few of them, it stands to reason that a small but non-zero percentage of the ones I haven't identified must be alien-created. Is that the kind of reasoning we're using here?

lol, excellent point

However the difference between between trees in your garden and crop circles is, you already have a scientific explanation as to how these trees got their. As for the ones that have not been identified it would still be safe to assume they wernet alien because you still know how it got their, it grew..

Would you be a lot more suspicious if you got up one morning and then discovered that you had trees in your garden where their was not any before.. Im sure that you would be a lot more suspicious..

Dal

[edit on 9/6/2007 by chroot]

I strongly recommend a podcast interview with one of the leading British circle makers, Rob Irving. He states that while nearly all crop circles these days are hoaxes, there maybe a "core mystery."

Originally posted by chrootA lot of the Crop Circles are way way to intricate in their design to be created in the middle of a field, at night (which i assume would be near zero visibility) and with a limited time scale.

Hi Chroot. Actualy if you go out on a moonlit night, after 15 minutes or so you would be rather amazed at how good you can see. Even on a non moonlit night, after 15 minutes or so there is sufficient visibility to be able to move around without hurting yourself. As for the time scale?Its dark around 11 pm and they have untill around 5 is so six hors would be fine.
As for the designs. They are drawn out on paper using a pencil and string and using that way they can see how to easily create the intricate patterns.
In the 60's and 70's most of the crop circles were nothing but simple circles which could easily be created by vortices or even helicopters!

Whether or not crop circles are created by man, natural causes or by aliens can be found out very simply.
Why does no one set up camera surveillance of the areas, which are prone to crop circle occurrences?
I once visited the Milkhill 2001 formation, which was enormous:


In this region of Wiltshire, England, each year numerous crop circles occur. From the top of Milkhill, I could see below the remains of 3 to 4 older crop circles in surrounding fields.

Since there are reports of mysterious lights preceding many cropcircle formation, these could be photographed even at night. Are the lights are caused by UFO's or handheld flashlights?

An adaption of this "catcam" might give the answer www.mr-lee-catcam.de.... Using solar-cells to recharge the battery and gigabyte flashmemory might be enough to keep the camera snapping away once per minute for months at a time.

Originally posted by osaitax

Why does no one set up camera surveillance of the areas, which are prone to crop circle occurrences?

*SIGH*!!
They DID ! and they found people making them. Thats why they dont bother anymore. They are simply pretty circles in the crops, which the farmers dont like.

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Since there are reports of mysterious lights preceding many cropcircle formation, these could be photographed even at night. Are the lights are caused by UFO's or handheld flashlights?

They are the lights and head torches of people making them and others looking for them, there are also a lot of night hunters out Rabbiting around there. I live on the Hants/Wilts border and go out night shooting quite often.

Originally posted by chroot

Would you be a lot more suspicious if you got up one morning and then discovered that you had trees in your garden where their was not any before.. Im sure that you would be a lot more suspicious..

Point taken - better example, then: if suddenly a really intricate chalk drawing showed up on my driveway (and this started happening all over the place), I would simply assume it was an artist - especially if it was a really good chalk drawing - and that they were also very good at doing it quickly. I wouldn't assume aliens or interdimensional stuff. I would assume a human artist *even if* the particular chalk drawing on my driveway hadn't been claimed by any artist while others nearby had been.

I'd assume (correctly IMHO) that it was one of the artists that created one of the other chalk drawings that they *did* lay claim to.

Furthermore, even if the chalk was magnetic or my concrete had been oddly affected by the chalk, I would not assume aliens had a hand in it. Even if new-age people started showing up on my driveway claiming to get headaches and/or visions upon stepping on the driveway.

Hi Sophismata,

Sorry for my delayed response, i decided to change my Hard Drive after my post yesterday, I thought it would only take a few mins, lol...

I didnt mean for you to go away and come up with a separate analogy regarding Crop Circles, even though i pointed out that it did not represent Crop Circles I could see the point you were trying to make.

Saying that, i still dont think that your second analogy is a fair representation either. If i were to wake up and find chalk drawings on my driveway i too wouldn't be to alarmed and i certainly would not think it was little green men. This would be because i would still have a very good idea how it had been created if chalk had been used and from that i would be able to deduce that it was probably vandals...

Saying that though, i can see the point you are making and i do accept it however i think that we are never going to agree on a correct analogy simply because of our different points of view on this subject.

To be honest, im not to sure about people who claim to be able to pick up on energy and im pretty sure that the only person with a Headache would be the farmer who owns the field..

I am aware that "Circle Makers" do pre-plan their work before they go and i accept that visibility may not be an issue all of the time however i still fail to see how some of the large scale and intricate designs could be man made. Im sure that when creating a design of that size it would be very difficult keep everything accurate as the only way you could see the full design would be from an elevated position.

I would love to provide facts to back up my argument for Crop Circles however due to my lack of knowledge at present it would be impossible however I also think that the same would apply to anyone attempting to apply a logical explanation as it would be impossible to prove that hoaxers are responsible for ALL Crop Circles (Not that im saying anyone has to prove that, lol)

At the end of the day it comes down to opinion and it just so happens that our opinions differ on this. Better that way, i think as it would be a pretty boring place on here if no one ever had a different opinion..

Anyway, im off to good old Google to go and get me some definitive proof, lol..

Have a good day

Chat again soon, I hope

Dal

Actually, i was just thinking about this...

Sophismata are you from the UK, the reason i ask is I wonder if we have a lot more "Believers" in the UK as the majority of Crop Circles occur here..

If that was the case then it could just be a case of wanting to believe to much, if you know what i mean

Dal

I don't tend to believe these cropcircles are man-made.

they do have specific characteristics. like the 'micro-wave' exploded knots the stems held afterwards. typical thingy about it.

hasn't been done with a rope and a plank, to say the least.

also, the larger ones, sooo large. there are many characteristics that don't suit it being man-made.


is the video I posted really fake?? was so cool.. almost had me believed in it. or did they just enhoax it.

I believe that the crop circle issue is very interesting and have my belief is that there is an element of communication being transmitted to us by a higher intelegence, we unfortunately have not found the rosetta stone to translate this communication. Time will tell. I accept I may be wrong, but I also accept that there are people who think the have all the answers, these people I simply dismiss as dickheads. I do not believe that there is a simple answer to the issue.
The crop circle pics I have seen, are far too complex for some fly by night drunk father son "alleged makers of circles" using a length of wood and some rope, as was the case some 15 or so years ago in UK.
My 5 cents/5p worth!

Hmmmmm

This has got me thinking. I found this interesting video where a crop circle maker goes out with a TV crew to attempt to recreate the Mandelbrot (spelling) crop circle.

I may need to take back what i said about it being difficult at night, lol

Here is the link

Cheers, Dal

Originally posted by chroot
Sophismata are you from the UK, the reason i ask is I wonder if we have a lot more "Believers" in the UK as the majority of Crop Circles occur here..

No - from Texas. And I'm skeptical of crop circles not because I don't believe in aliens (in fact, I think there almost certainly are aliens somewhere), but because crop circles are a perfect example of something that - to the scientific community - has been perfectly well explained (at least the complicated ones) as being the work of teams of humans, but that still enjoy a following amongst believers of various sorts for reasons that bother me. The reasons/tendencies are:

- Tendency of believers to discount human ingenuity and ability (and speed) in favor of a much less likely hypothesis - aliens. This spills over into beliefs that aliens must have done the pyramids (again - discounting human abilities), must have provided us with language and/or art (again - discounting human abilities), etc.
- Tendency of believers to assume that sheer quantity of events means at least some of them are not caused by humans (hence my analogy of chalk drawings not being all drawn by humans because we haven't tracked down every single artist of every chalk drawing, therefore...)
- Tendency of believers to use *other* dubious evidence as evidence for something else that's dubious. For example, a "psychic" or "sensitive individual" goes into a crop circle and feels something weird, and this is evidence.

As for the microwave/magnetic evidence, this has all been duplicated on a TV show (if i remember, I'll post) and wasn't difficult for a film crew to create.

Originally posted by icedteng
There is a lot of scepticism about them being made from other origins e.g. UFO's or being made from energys from the earth. even heard some other strage explanations.
Sceintests cant find any electromanetic residue energy, (perhaps they should be there when they are being created )
Many peoples who do dowsing and are psychicly tuned to nature, pick up residue energy within the circles.
Many peoples belive that crop circles are a form of alien communication either towards us or towards their own species.
I like to keep an open mind and enjoy the patterns that has been created and I know there are some really great fakes as well.
what are your thoughts do belive that crop circles are man made,
aliens or something else?
Do you think that it is natural phenomena that happens?
Have you had experiences with crop circles?

Crop circles are gigantic. Very very huge works of art, and can only be seen from the skies. This is why they are made.

Probably, these symbols are either predicting something, or simply paying attention to who, what aliens are watching this planet.

I can imagine, what could the distance be to see surface life as clearly as possible. Perhaps, these crop circles can be seen from light-years away, therefore these images are being sent to distant civilizations.

May also have alien-religious relations, too.

If they can only be seen from the skies how come I can see them from relatively small hills.

So Im an Alien. I evolve over millions of years to be able to create a spaceship that is capable of interplanetary flight and above light speed.
I find another planet full of life so i go and fly there, then instead of using all my considerable powers to communicate with people, I make pretty circles in someones crops? Interplanetary vandals ?

Oh Pleeeeeeeeeees.

Originally posted by realyweely
So Im an Alien. I evolve over millions of years to be able to create a spaceship that is capable of interplanetary flight and above light speed.
I find another planet full of life so i go and fly there, then instead of using all my considerable powers to communicate with people, I make pretty circles in someones crops? Interplanetary vandals ?
Oh Pleeeeeeeeeees.

maybe the aliens do not have crops on their planet and just love playing in our fields at night
some of the cropcircles are amazing and it is hard to believe that a handful of people can do them in one night but i do find it harder to believe aliens come here just to play in our crops and leave cryptic signs behind.
sorry etherical waterwave about your video,but i am very surprised no one else has said about it. i know it was on tv about it being faked, has anybody else any word on the video

so maybe some are legit...the rest can be summed up in two words.

performance art.

some are quite pretty after all

the majority of crop circles are man made. but you cannot dismiss all of them, there are, indeed quite a few which hold mysteries that to this day cannot be explained..