Question - What is the freeist country in th world ?

I personally believe it is Australia. Judging from what I've seen of the rest of the world, Australia is definately the most liberal out of al of them.
What opinions does everyone else have ?

[Edited on 29-11-2002 by mad scientist]

Doesn't that depend on what your priorities are and what your indicators of freedom are?
I thought Australia lost its right to keep arms a few years ago.

Yes all the semi automatic rifles, and we're trying to ban pistols with more than 10 round clips.
However while this may be seen as a restraint of liberty, gun deaths here are practically unhead of. And when they do happen, it's normally only single deaths as they don't have machine guns etc.

I heard that the Columbine high school murderers tried tried to buy an M-60 machine gun, but they were under 21.

Anyway, these gun laws have contributed to our liberty here, not detracted from it.

This is a good question.

All countries compromise individual freedom for communal security.The country that would have the greatest individual freedom would be the most anarchic and so the freeist citizens would live in a poor country with the least governmental infastructure.Perhaps the Sudan might have the greatest freedoms.

This then begs the question.How much of your standard of living would you sacrifice for greater freedom?

the freest people are those tribes in little islands that dont give a damn about media or politics or war, which basically, is a hell lot better then what we've got.
then again, like johnB said, theyre poor so they dont have all the technology etc

All peoples belong to a certain country, which have laws no matter where they are living ( city or village ). Most poor countries legal systems are archaic and the police etc work more for themselves than the people.
Shouldn't the standard of living and opportunity available in a country count toward freedom ?

All peoples belong to a certain country, which have laws no matter where they are living ( city or village ). QUOTE

true...but whats stopping them? it is illegal- as far as i am aware, that it is illegal to eat people. but does this stop the cannibalistic tribes of Africa or wherever? there may be laws, but people dont always play by the rules

Originally posted by kim
All peoples belong to a certain country, which have laws no matter where they are living ( city or village ). QUOTE

true...but whats stopping them? it is illegal- as far as i am aware, that it is illegal to eat people. but does this stop the cannibalistic tribes of Africa or wherever? there may be laws, but people dont always play by the rules

True but if there were no laws at all, the floodgates would open. Is Anarchy freedom ?

maybe so, i havnt tried it to be honest. everyone would probably end up dead so thats not very free is it.
there's anarchy, then theres simply living your life how you want it with no rules- like running around naked in the woods with no fear of getting nicked

This is why it is such a good question.
Laws restrict our freedom.Therefore a state without law must have the greatest freedom.

Kim, A good argument of a where lack of laws has deprived people of their basic freedoms is one of you threads :

i was absolutely disgusted.....

" Question - What is the freeist country in th world ? "

It's the wrong question !

The good one is : What is the less tyranic country in the world.

The least tyranical country would be one without a tyrant as leader.
As power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.Any leader is a potential tyrant.
The least tyranical country is one without a leader.

Russia. Think about it. No one is really in power there to enforce any laws!

Originally posted by Ma-Ha-Bone
Russia. Think about it. No one is really in power there to enforce any laws!

what about the mafia?

Being australian i was surprised to here that being a country of only about 20.000.000 people.

There were actually more court orders issued for telephone bugging in australia last year than there were in america.

That came as a huge surprise, given the difference in our populations.

And given the fact that the yanks have the CIA. NSA. etc:

I found that to be a bit of a worry.

Originally posted by quaneeri
Being australian i was surprised to here that being a country of only about 20.000.000 people.

There were actually more court orders issued for telephone bugging in australia last year than there were in america.

That came as a huge surprise, given the difference in our populations.

And given the fact that the yanks have the CIA. NSA. etc:

I found that to be a bit of a worry.

Yes, that is probably because the NSA etc don't bother applying for court orders, they just do it. The 'echelom' system is a prime example.

Great topic ..

What people havn't thought about is the word freedom...

Despite Johns facitious comments, rules can give freedom.

I am free not to have to worry about being shot by a driveby shooting. I am free of worry about my family getting attacked, or having to barricade myself in my home each nite, as in some 3rd world countries.

Guns only give freedom in a society that is so bad people have to defend themselves using weapons. Although you cannot turn the clock back in america with guns, other societies are free without needing them.

No laws = no freedom.

Some countries need rules to keep the unsavory people in check, and so the CIA etal serve that purpose so that others freedoms are maintained. I have no problem with that.

You choose ... CIA/FBI or increased crime and lawlessness....

Australia is a free place, however it is only one of many democracies that are free. In some ways australain are not free, they are forced to drink that weasal piss Fosters, that is a terrible crime inflicted upon them.



[Edited on 29-11-2002 by Netchicken]

Originally posted by Netchicken
freedom.

Australia is a free place, however it is only one of many democracies that are free. In some ways australain are not free, they are forced to drink that weasal piss Fosters, that is a terrible crime inflicted upon them.

[Edited on 29-11-2002 by Netchicken]

Very few Australians drink Foster's believe it or not. I agree It is rats piss. Canada produces the largest quantity of Foster's.
If you want to try a staple Aussie beer try ' VB ' or ' Toohey's New '.
Cheers