Careful With Disinfo Accusations.

Originally posted by esdad71
Zoomein, the video you posted is disinfo at it's purest. It takes bits and pieces of other issues and tries to apply it to the 9/11 conspiracy.

As a Software Engineer who is a 'intelligent person' as the tape states, I used my critical thinking skills during the first question to realize that the video is not for 'smart people', but for those who cannot think for themselves. So according to your video, you should shop it to fast food workers and people who work in the mall. Now, this is not my quote, I am just using the information in the video.

Please give 3 examples of disinfo from 9/11?

Notice how you criticize, yet like other so-called skeptics; refuse to engage with what the makers of the video is asking. Just answer the questions. Simple.

Zoomein, honestly I really don't care that much mate. All I was saying was that the governments explanation about what happened seems so much more plausible than anything I've heard from anyone else.

But I do listen to the points that these people make and not once in my post did I attack anyone! I did suggest that Missy Higgins had a hand in the attacks by purchasing the supposed nukes that brought the towers down but that was, incase you couldn't tell, a joke.

I had a look at your video but I gotta say I stopped after 37 seconds. Apparently, according to that video, I'm not an 'educated person', because I don't have a college degree and I'm not a lawyer, or teacher, or business owner, or in human resources etc. I am a bartender though, so that may put me in the human resources department?? I supply humans with the much needed resource of beer?

And I have no idea what an OCTer is or what I dodged before?

Another thing to add: Perhaps the fact that over here in Australia we are not bombarded with 9/11 theories and people accusing the American Government of planning the attacks on TV is the reason I haven't seen any good evidence that contradicts the governments explanation? To be honest, the only time I even heard anything about 'it was an inside job etc.' was here on ATS. I've not seen it on TV or in the newspaper, ever.

You claim to have a sense of humour, and wit, yet take DEAD SERIOUSLY the beginning of that video, so as to.....COP OUT.

Dude, I am not asking you to strip naked. All I am asking is you answer the questions presented in that video.
Why not? For some dumb reason, or because you really don't WANT to think?

Official Conspiracy Theory ('OCT')

[edit on 5-6-2007 by zoomein]

Really, I don't want to think. I really, honestly, sincerely do not want to waste 20 minutes of my time watching some stupid video about 10 questions an intelligent skeptic must answer. It's truly as simple as that.

And once again you're trying to make it look like I have said things that I didn't. I never once claimed that I had a sense of humor. I made a joke, I didn't type "Hey I'm funny LOL!".

Also: Totally related

To be honest, the video is insulting (only intelligent people)and it is a recruitment video. I have sat through Amway presentations that were not as bad.

If you cannot see that then you are not qualified to watch the video. I am not criticizing anyone, I am stating that the video takes pieces of fact from 9/11 to the VT shootings and states them in a fashion to fit a theory which by definition is disinfo.

I will answer the first question. Why are we safer since 9/11? The creation of DHS and the sharing of all interdepartmental resources which will counter the intelligence failures that occured beginning in the early 90's that allowed 9/11 to happen. The Patriot Act allows us to berate our government online and at the same time it allows them to track and find the cells that are needed to stop. You may think that the Ft Dix case was fear mongering, but it was fact. Not disinfo. These were real people with a plan. The intelligence gathered from Guantanamo and other sites around the world have stopped many planned attacks.

The only lie is 93 was shot down, not brought down. That was not disinfo, it was propoganda.

Look really. The attitude from the first, arrogance, and evasiveness, of you two is not WORTH MY efforts. Wallow in your ignore-ance if that is your wish.

All you had to do is answer the friggin questions. But as is usual, you OCTers always evade, and accuse. You never think, and apply yourselves. You deserve the maniacs who do such things like 9/11, but many others dont!

PLEASE keep the responses focused on the topic of discussion, NOT on individual perceptions of fellow members' character and or person.

Thank you.




 

I answered one of your questions, not answer one of mine? What disinfo has been spread by the government regarding 9/11?

Originally posted by esdad71
I answered one of your questions, not answer one of mine? What disinfo has been spread by the government regarding 9/11?

The Official Conspiracy Theory Disinformation (OCTD)

[edit on 5-6-2007 by zoomein]

thanks for the acronym, but that is pretty vague, as is most of the CT side. Who is spreading this? CIA?FBI?NSA?

[edit on 5-6-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by esdad71
thanks for the acronym, but that is pretty vague, as is most of the CT side. Who is spreading this? CIA?FBI?NSA?

Who is spreading 9/11 disinformation?

A core group who are to be understood 'NOT as belonging to U.S administration', but are trans-global, and their aim is for a one world government

[edit on 5-6-2007 by zoomein]

Originally posted by esdad71
What disinfo has been spread by the government regarding 9/11?

The official story.

Designed to fit with a corrupted agenda and put the blame on the wrong people to hide the truth.

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This is not the thread, forum, or place to discuss avatars or each other. Take it to U2U, file a complaint, take it to email, or whatever, but regardless, take it away from here.

So would you say the Carlysle group is then responsible for 9/11 and spreading the disinfo and it is not the administration who was merely a pawn that was used unknownly or unwittingly? or is it that group that is spreading the hatred against the current administration to make sure that they are not in power in 08?

Originally posted by zoomein
'Ten Questions That Every Intelligent Skeptic Must Answer'

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Yeah i have quite a lot to say about this vid for a minute becuase i thought it was an important show of idiocy.

Uh yeah i can comment on that piece of filth trying to make a "smart" person answer 10 questions.

1. Why no terror attacks in USA since 911. Because there has been no "organized" terror group that has attacked us. The last terrorist attack on america before 911 was at guess what, the World Trade Center. In 1993 there was a car bombing and i belive 6 people died. The reason there have been no attacks YET is because security is higher than ever. Before 911 security in general was very relaxed in the united states, and it was easy to manipulate the system. You can't use the VT killer as some kind of "proof" that we are not protected against terrorist attacks, because then you would have to say that the Columbine kids were also terrorists. Terrorists are usually backed by a government or ideology that supports organized killing of people by a group. Terrorists swear alliance, you can't assume because we haven't had an attack by a state sponsored terrorist group in USA yet, that we won't ever again. 911 was also somewhat of a once-in-a-lifetime event. Technically they say 911 is in the real of pearl harbor. How many years was it between Pearl Harbor and 911? There is not a mathematical chance of a terrorist attack happening again any time soon, but it is still a very real probability.

Why did it look like CD = Well my first question to these people is Didn't you look at your film before your broadcast it? At 3:23 they show a building falling apart due to flames, in a very clear picture. You see the building breaking off and collapsing. So how can you show me evidence that buildings can collapse due to fire, and then say it's not possible? Secondly, anyone who has watched footage of controlled demolitions can see differences in the WTC collapses. I will debunk your science later, but keep in mind that steel buckling due to strain, that causes 20 stories of steel and concrete above it..will have the same kind of displaced energy as blowing all the floors out on a specific level with bombs. At 4: 22 there are no explosions at all in whatever video clip is being shown. The tape tries to say that we can "hear" the bombs going off. Where? I had my computer speakers cranked all the way up and all i hear was static. Also you can tell that the video has been run through many audio filters. What we are hearing is some kids lame attempt to isolate and restructure certain sounds on the original tape, to try and FOOL US into thinking we hear something. What makes you think this looks anything like a Controlled Demolition? Where are the sounds of explosions? Where are the thousands of cracks of bombs going off? What warning did anyone have? The buildings were structurally unsafe but if you watch live news footage of that day you can see that when the tower starting falling, everyone was shocked. Even one reporter screamed "We better get out of the way." There was no countdown to the explosion. More that 5:00 minutes in and there is still no logic in this video.

Why did news report it earlier than it did? They didn't. There's no actual timestamp on the video..Raw news footage has something called a timestamp. Not some idiot graphic that comes in for 2 seconds and said "THIS IS WHAT TIME THIS HAPPENED" The idiot making this video obviously never has been in a news room. When you watch the footage there is a time saying what time it is broadcast over the air. When an archive is made, one monitor records the actual live broadcast..into a backup tape. The tape displays the exact time the footage was aired, and also has a date of the original airing. Without ANY of this information..how can we verify what time those broadcasts were occurring? They could have been at 6 at night for all we know. You also can't throw in a reporter in the shot saying literally "you can see the smoke from the wtc behind me" with the wtc7 still standing, and claim it's "proof" it was reported to early. It does not prove anything because without seeing the ORIGINAL HARD COPY TAPE playing with TIMESTAMP your guess could be anywhere from 1 in the morning till 10 at night. Again, BS offered as proof of some conspiracy.

Why does official report contain so much anti science nonsense? Because CTers hate science. The fact is that the NIST report contains hard documented science, with variables..equations, explanations, and proofs of scientific findings. CTers then choose to say "HEY WAIT NO YOUR SCIENCE IS NOT CORRECT I DIDN'T STUDY ANY FORM OF MATH OR SCIENCE BUT EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING IS WRONG". So you telling me that every structural engineer that worked on the 911 report is an idiot? They didn't spend 4 years or more studying their science? The fact that you can try to offer your "Real" science over someone who probably has a 7 year phd in physics, is insanity. This is like asking me to belive that my doctor, never went to medical school and that i shouldn't listen to him when he tells me to eat more vitamins.

Why did bush torture people into admitting to 911? None of the news stories or quotes shown indicate that anyone was tortured into admitting to 911. They twist scandals at prison camps, and claim that people were "tortured" into admitting to 911. Fact is within the same week of the terrorist attacks Bin Laden and Al Queda admitted they were the ones behind the attacks. Further research of the hijackers lead to the revelation that they were supplied by Al quaeda and had trained for many years in 3d World countries for 911. The problem is that you can't understand, or accept the fact that TERRORISTS exist. It's so far beyond your comprehension, that you think the idea of almost 1,000,000 people pulling some "fake terrorist operation" on the USA is more probable. Go look up Yemen on the map, and see what the average person there makes in $$ a day. You have no concept of ABJECT POVERTY. Terrorist exist because they have no other option in life. Nobody tortured anyone into making false confessions. The people behind 911 stood proudly behind their actions.

Why did the hijackings work when the terrorist only had box cutters and they never learned to fly planes? Idiots. Yes they did learn to fly planes. At 10: 18 they say hijackers had no experience, and jets pilots need jetliner training to be able to fly, but the thing is they did learn how to fly. They took months of flight lessons from local schools. They trained for months, never learned to take off or land..simply fly. There are videos of their old flight instructors recalling the hijackers training. There is records of them learning to fly planes for many months before the attacks. They also trained on flight simulators as well as killed pigs back in terrorist training camp, to learn how to cut thoughts. The idea that they had "no training" is fiction. Boxcutters worked for many reasons. Boxcutters are a dangerous weapon. It's not like anyone on the plane had a gun. At 10:30 the video claims a box cutter cant cut a suitcase? BS. A box cutter can mangle a suitcase, or human in seconds. Boxcutters are VERY sharp because THEY ARE USED TO CUT BOXES. Also the video makes an assumption like anyone in the passengers shoes would have done better. When was the last time you were hijacked on a plane? Robbed at gunpoint? Held by men who said they had a bomb and would kill you and your family if you tried to move? Who is anyone to judge the actions of the passengers? This kind of disrespect and second guessing of others should get people hanged.

Why was hijackers passport found on street. Because of natural disaster anomalies. Why can a tornado pick up a tree and leave a mailbox intact in the ground? Why did trinkets like photos, necklaces, earrings, bracelets, ties, makeup, shoes, cell phones, photo IDS, drivers licenses, and all other sorts of little knick knacks appear in the NYC streets? Did the government plant all those items as "evidence" too?

Why did bush say he saw the 1st plane he hit the tower when no media footage was aired till the next day?To get reelected.He never said which plane, 1st or second that he saw. Who knows he could have buttered up some story to make himself look like a powerful leader, for the elections. Again, another quote taken entirely to literally, or completely out of context.

Why no effective military response to the hijackings? You would have rathered them blow up innocent civilians because of suspicion of terrorism? When was the last time BEFORE 911 that you heard about a brutal hijacking. When was the last time planes were hijacked to crash into buildings? The problem with this is you assume everyone had some kind of terrorism manual, and could predict the future. How would the USA look if they shot down a group of civilians on a plane, all because of some suspicions activity. The military didn't' know how to handle this situation, BECUASE IT HAD NEVER OCCURED BEFORE.

Why would islamists do something so harmful to their cause? What? Are you on some kind of illegal drug? The argument that islamist "hurt themselves" by getting usa to invade iraq is BS. How did al quaeda hurt their cause? They've since riled nations like Iran against the united states, and gave hope to people like Hezbolla that their terrorist actions are the right path. Getting USA in an embarrassing 7 year war, toppling our famous landmarks, and dividing the american people was EXACTLY what the terrorist wanted. Islamists won by making usa look weak. The false questions was a lame excuse to show gory pictures of the iraq war, and claim their hate for america. The photos where completely offensive and totally unnecessary. IT just shows you that the 911 Truth movement is not meant to spread truth, but to shock. IT's an excuse for angry teenagers to flip off their parents. IT's an excuse to sell Alex Jones T-shirts and manipulate people through propaganda. 911 truthers are scum and deserved to be wiped from the face of the earth

It's also very funny to see the films conclusion. You will shout in favor of the terrorists and scream, "the islamists were framed!" because every answer to your question is 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. Why did they raise the price at the pumps? "BECAUSE 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB". Why did it rain yesterday instead of clear skies? "BECAUSE 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB" Why did the unicorn get married to the unicorn? "BECUASE 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB"

Pathetic. Whoever made this terrible video is an idiot. Just another reason why you shouldn't belive the "truth" movement.

The mod had just requested us to stay on topic...

How about you guys make a thread to talk about the video?


[edit on 5-6-2007 by selfless]

This is exactly what I think happend on 9/11: I think the world trade centre was brought down by two hijacked commerical airlines which slammed into them, causing a fire so intense it melted the iron supports of the building, which, unfortunately, wasnt built to withstand a 2000 degree inferno, or 110 floors giving away and slamming down on top of each other in rapid succession.

You can insult me all you like, it's not going to change my mind or make me watch that stupid, pointless video you're so excited about. And read through your posts mate, you're the only one dodging things.

And if you wouldnt mind and if the mods allow, please explain what you meant by this comment, "You deserve the maniacs who do such things like 9/11, but many others dont!"

Are you suggesting that esdad71 (I think that's who you were talking about when you said "you two") and I deserve to be murdered by terrorists because we aren't taking your video seriously?? Please, please, please you arent that arrogant, ignorant or small minded.

Please don't think you can judge me and say I never think or apply myself just from a few posts on an internet forum. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Almost as stupid as some of the 9/11 conspiracy theories that have been bumping around this place.

So, back on topic, eh?

Originally posted by zoomein
You deserve the maniacs who do such things like 9/11, but many others dont!

Next time I see a quote like this, it'll be worse than a warn. To suggest that anyone deserves to be murdered along with thousands of innocent people, is, in my humble opinion, begging to be post-banned. Don't let me catch you doing this ever again.

This site exists for the sole purpose of users being able to respectfully discuss and debate their opinions, findings, and theories, about niche topics, without ridicule or threat. That you would condemn any of our members to death for holding a different view goes against everything ATS stands for, and quite frankly, sickens me.

Now go think about what you've done, and I suggest you apologize to the community as well.