ABC Live 911 Coverage was Totally Fake (UPDATED) - "TV Fakery"

Originally posted by mister.old.schoolUnlike Nico "Conspiracy Fakery" Haupt, let's be scientific about this scene and the realities of cameras.

Whilst I'm open to any theory, I was sure this one was nonsense. Your elegant animation, coupled with the original ABC footage (which is different from that in the OP), wraps this up neatly.

Nice work.

Agreed, and this should be labeled a hoax. It is clear from the animation the foreground objects which are closer are not moving as much, and the distant bridge will appear to move more. IT is plain that the movement to the left is what is causing this and the fact that in the first shot the camera isn't even in line with the tower.

I first came across videos of Nco a while back though I didn't know it was he.
Then yesterday at a live video sharing site, I happen on some more videos about this, and it is all confrontation. He's done a video winding up Dylan Avery, and I later read a video comment from one of Nico's his gullible followers claiming that 9/11 Truthers are 'war criminals'...............And they wonder why they get themselves thrown off sites trying to seriously research 9/11 issues.

Then I at last get a taste of out Nico Haupt in action courtesy of mister.old.school--THANKS man-- and we see this paranoid young dude, who just wants to throw insults at everyone. Acting like a misbehaving child. Remember, he is asked by a moderator to PRESENT his THEORY..............THEORY, at a later time offered of 15 minutes. But, of course, this ranting angry young man will have none of that. Oh no, his mission is to show how 'cool' he is. Whyyy he done out truthed the 9/11 truthers, so he thinks. And he shouts and shouts etc
Now I am not sure if he believes what he says, and he's on a mission OR he really is just trying to # up 9/11 Truth Movement. Actually from the Youtube videos showing an interview he did, it looks like the latter. For he has taken it upon his BIG ego to imagine he knows what is right to 'shake up things'..................Which means what exactly? That Nico is the only one with real passion to find the truth, and to be aware of the situation we are in? Cause that's his great drama-queen act isn't it? Only he can see, and the rest of us, even the likes of Professor Steven Jones and David Ray Griffin are either disinformers, war criminals or too short sighted, and lacking savvy to be able to see what Nico and followers see.
The fact the Professor Jones has painstakingly kept on keeping on experimenting to see if the explosive thermate is part of the demolition inside job, means nothing to Nico. He just screams that Jones is in on it.................Same with Professor Griffin, all the work and effort he has done going over in fine detail the laborious debunking the debunnking of 9/11 truth has no value for Nico. he just slags him off...!

What effort has Nico Haupt put in? Seems to me just blind hatred of all and everyone not part of his elite little club



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The title has been modified, and links added to the opening post, to reflect the findings of our members.

Great work!! Like the animation!

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
The title has been modified, and links added to the opening post, to reflect the findings of our members.

Thanks SO, now how about his other fraudulent threads?

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
now how about his other fraudulent threads?

I don't see the clear-cut open wound as I see in this thread. If you can u2u me links to posts that strike a mortal blow like has happened here, I'm game.

Thats fair enough... He hasnt tripped as hard as he did in this thread, but when he does I'll be there to catch him


Deny Ignorance all day every day.

I have a problem with the notion that items far away move more than items up close. That is not accurate.. I have a digital camera and went outside and took one picture of houses with the Colorado Rockies in the background. I then moved the camera bit and everythin g in the foreground moved a lot and the faar off mountains didnt move relatively speaking.

I still thinks its smoke obscuring the bridge stantions so far off in the distance. There are two stantions in one shot of that stream that are clearly visible in the shot, both are where they appear singly in the other parts. As the cloud and or white smoke was blown across the sky it first covered one then the other making it appear as if the single stantion moved. when in reality they were both there just one was obscured by white smoke or a cloud. Besides the fact that the bridge is eons away from the camera and the wtc complex and the stantions are white. This is nothing and giving this OP all this attention only serves to hurt the real evidence and questions about 911.

I am very happy that ATS'rs are very quick, smart and on the ball when it comes to bringing out this absurd hoaxes and frauds, which I personally think are done by PAID DISINFORMATION AGENTS. GREAT JOB ATS'rs you got another one and rather quickly too.

So either smoke or camera movement the fact of the matter is this so called PROOF is nonsense and thats all I have to say about that...

How does proving this one video wrong destroy the whole theory of TV fakery?.. Denying ignorance does not allow you to say a theory is bunk just because one video is wrong.. the TV fakery idea is composed of more than just the video of the moving bridge.

And to be honest, the TV fakery has more merit to it than any hologram, POD, plane-missile, and even the idea of real planes hitting the WTC theory ive come across. At least they have the right idea, trying to forumlate a consistent theory that accounts for all the observed evidence, and so far ive yet to see ANYONE show how 4 planes could possibly go undetected for so long without being shot out of the sky, without involving workers at the FAA, Norad etc..

People always moan about how so many people must have been involved, and the no-plane theory takes care of that.. yet others cling to the half-belief that somehow the planes just managed to go undetected, and that somehow only a handful of people were still involved. Tell me how thats possible if the plane were real and actually there!

We know no planes crashed in Shanksville and the Pentagon.. so why is it such a stretch to suggest nothing hit the towers! Does no one get the obvious double standard there! If you can get many witnessess so confused about what actually happened at the Pentagon, and have agents planted to give bogus testimony.. why should it be any different at the WTC!!


There are still several anomalies that need to be explained, such as the plane melting into the building, the nosecone popping out of the other side of the tower and the feed cutting off for a second live as it happened, the video feeds which show NO plane/the reporters saying there was an explosion but no plane, the wings somehow managing to slice through steel columns like butter even up to the wing tip.....and im sure there are many more aswell.

Originally posted by shrunkensimonWe know no planes crashed in Shanksville and the Pentagon.. so why is it such a stretch to suggest nothing hit the towers! Does no one get the obvious double standard there!

This is why threads need to stay strictly on-topic.

Not everyone is a Shanksville/Pentagon no-planer, so you cannot draw a comparison between those theories and this mistaken example of TV fakery and cry 'double standards'.

Originally posted by coughymachine
Not everyone is a Shanksville/Pentagon no-planer, so you cannot draw a comparison between those theories and this mistaken example of TV fakery and cry 'double standards'.

Sorry, but i think most people will agree with my on this one.. that no plane crashed in Shanksville, that is a 100% certainty. Its physically impossible for that plane to have crashed in that field given the observed evidence.

As for the Pentagon.. i suggest you look at the "Pentacon" if you haven't already. It mite not be the truth, but it highlights very important points about the flightpath, and the damage along the official flightpath. Aside from the fact that there is clearly no plane remaining in the photos, and that the pilot could not possibly have done the said flightpath (both impossible for him, and the plane itself).

Again, i think most people will agree that the official planes did not crash at shanks/penta.. something else may have crashed, but you can be dead sure that no boeing was involved!

Originally posted by shrunkensimon
Sorry, but i think most people will agree with my on this one..

You might be disappointed in the results, if you were to take to the streets to obtain a general consensus ... if even only of your local populace.

... that no plane crashed in Shanksville, that is a 100% certainty.

No. It's not. A probability, maybe. A certainty, not. Something that has yet to be proven beyond a shadow of doubt. Honestly.

As for the Pentagon.. i suggest you look at the "Pentacon" if you haven't already.

I think that depends on which side of the PentaCon you stand. It appears the potential for false and or falsified data may be probable cause to suspect the supposed findings of Jack and Co.

Again, i think most people will agree that the official planes did not crash at shanks/penta.. something else may have crashed, but you can be dead sure that no boeing was involved!

Most people? Again, I would ask that you take a consensus of your local populace. You might be surprised at the results. My experience has been that the vast majority have no clue and little or no interest in anything that counters what they've "been told" by the 9-11 Commision. Sad? perhaps.

As for "being dead sure that no boeing was involved" ... Ask your neighbors, fellow co-workers, Joe down the street. I think you'll find that Most will beg to differ. I'm not saying they're right and your wrong, I'm just saying that the vast majority of citizens have little or no concern, whatsoever. Any questions they May have had were answered on the 6 o'clock Snewze. Honestly, that's what We are All up against, regardless of whatever "flavor" or "theory" one finds themself so inclined to "believe".

The vast majority of citizens have long since stopped asking questions, if they ever did in the first place, and have gone back to their day to day lives.

If you have Any desire Whatsoever to "stir their interest", then I would truly suggest starting with something more mundane than "ABC Live 911 Coverage was Totally Fake". Otherwise, good luck, unless you enjoy being made a mockery of and laughed at. Hell, the vast majority are so entrenched in parroting that which the Media has pounded into their heads to ever consider ANY alternative views ... as unfortunate as that may be.

My advice:

Learn to be a shepherd, gathering your flock one sheep at a time.

Hope this helps.

All the best.



 

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Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
No. It's not. A probability, maybe. A certainty, not. Something that has yet to be proven beyond a shadow of doubt. Honestly.

Oh cmon. You know that nothing crashed there. Look at the pictures.. there is simply no way a Boeing crashed there. If you want me to be methodic, its a 99% probability that the official plane did not crash there. We also have the witness providing a fake photo of the smoke plume. What more evidence do you want for Shanksville?..

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
I think that depends on which side of the PentaCon you stand. It appears the potential for false and or falsified data may be probable cause to suspect the supposed findings of Jack and Co.

Again, which begs the question, if its dodgy, then why has it been promoted on the ATS homepage, and why is it still there! giving it its own section.. just like Mr.Lear, who is spouting drivel. You want evidence of ATS being co-opted, well there you go.

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
I'm not saying they're right and your wrong, I'm just saying that the vast majority of citizens have little or no concern, whatsoever.

Well done for stating the obvious. Again, why did you bother.. i don't care for the obvious things like this.. anyone could point it out. I do care however, whether you think planes crashed in shanks or penta, but thus far you've simply weaved your way out of actually answering it.

At least im honest with what i post, and at least i try to give some detail on my writings, instead of just rambling about obvious points that are, well, pointless..

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
The vast majority of citizens have long since stopped asking questions, if they ever did in the first place, and have gone back to their day to day lives.

Learn to be a shepherd, gathering your flock one sheep at a time.

No. Thats the mistake that teh "truth movement" is making. Until someone actually puts together a coherrent theory, which covers all the ground, the average joe is simply not going to give a damn, because he can turn straight back to the official story for comfort.

Until someone puts all the pieces together, the truth movement will go nowhere.. and the sad thing is, the pieces are all available, its just many have given up on trying to put the puzzle together themselves, because sellouts like Dylan Avery and Alex Jones did it first, and did it in such a way it creates the same comfort for CTs that the official story does for non-believers.

Until someone fits the puzzle together correctly, we will go nowhere. Also, by having inconsisntecies and errors in the theory, such as thermite/ate being used, 2 planes being used, and 2 planes not crashing, really does NOT help our cause..

The conspiracy theorists have become comforted by their own theories, and forgotten the very essence of truth seeking.. fitting the puzzle together yourself!! And instead opted to just let sellouts and shills do the work for them, so they can just sit back, scream "conspiracy theory", and think that their work is done/that they have earnt their keep.

Fantastic claims (which the OP and others here are making) require fantastic evidence... there is no fantastic evidence in this thread at all.

All I see 9/11 "truthers" doing in this thread is presenting their theories with no evidence at all and saying "prove me wrong"... That's ridiculous.

PROVE a plane didn't crash in Shanksville, PROVE a plane didn't crash into the Pentagon. You can't say these things didn't happen and then make the "other side" disprove your theories...

I am highly suspicious of the Pentagon attack, yet have never seen any evidence compelling enough to refute the offical story. Again, fantastic claims require fantastic evidence... As your Shanksville, I personally believe we shot that one down, yet I have no evidence to prove it.

As for the WTC, there is plenty of video and evidence supporting airliner strikes.

Originally posted by shrunkensimon
How does proving this one video wrong destroy the whole theory of TV fakery?

My good man, it shows that this particular video, a cornerstone of "TV fakery", is a contrivance, a fraud, a manufactured hoax.

And if we so easily prove that one piece of "material" put forth by Nico "Conspiracy Fakery" Haupt is a fraudulent contrivance, shall we not then doubt all that he has produced? If he has defrauded you once, could he have done so twice? Three times? More?

Someone who sees fit to manufacture "evidence" to support theories has neither evidence, nor theories.

And if that is the case of Nico "Conspiracy Fakery" Haupt, what then can we speculate of his motivations for manufacturing fraudulent conspiracy evidence?

Originally posted by shrunkensimon that no plane crashed in Shanksville, that is a 100% certainty. Its physically impossible for that plane to have crashed in that field given the observed evidence.

I agree it doesn't look like it, but that's a very long way indeed from proving one never crashed there.

Originally posted by shrunkensimonAs for the Pentagon.. i suggest you look at the "Pentacon" if you haven't already.

I have and all it purports to show is that a plane said to be Flight 77 didn't strike the Pentagon.

Originally posted by shrunkensimon

Well done for stating the obvious. Again, why did you bother.. i don't care for the obvious things like this.. anyone could point it out. I do care however, whether you think planes crashed in shanks or penta, but thus far you've simply weaved your way out of actually answering it.

Actually, you never Asked. :pause:

Shanksville:
Many questions, few Answers. Most likely shot down based on what I've seen, to include the near Immediate and Unanimous passing of law by Congress regarding future occurences

The Pentagon:
Much the same, though, in all honesty, THAT was the ?? for me that day. THAT, and the ultimately false report of a car bomb at the State Building (if I'm not mistaken)

While I don't believe we've been affored absolute transparsncy regarding that which took place on 9-11, I DO feel there are certain aspects which hold far greater potential as opposed to a "No Planes", "TV Fakery", or "Military Broadcasts" theory. Then, again, that's just me ...




 

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I have watched that video from the church meeting 3 times now and if I have to choose a side in that I choose NICO HAUP. Sorry but anyone that stands up and says bin laden was behind 911, follows a religion made in the 50's by the OSS and LaRouche follower as well as Shultz. What I saw was Nico being attacked bya concerted effort of CIA, NSA, Treasonous dickheads quite frankly. One of the even tried to hit Nico when he told the TRUTH about LaRouche. I have never heard of this Nico person but I would stand with him against a buch of morons and plants sent to destroy the 911 Truth Movement. I hope that video was not supposed to be used to make me think thatNico was out of line because it sure didn't. Facists infiltrated his group and then when he called em on their absolute bullcrap and disinformation they wanted him out and wanted to hit him.

I dont know if this OP is NICO and I still do not see any evidentary evidence in the original post of TV Fakery but I would love to meet NICO sometime. People with information, history and fact that can call out those plants for what they are are invalueable assets to the whole of the truth movement not just 911. I would however question anyone that goes after this Nico fella and who they work for and who pays them to slander the truth giver in this video presented.

Let me let you all in a a little secret, when you hear these people scream about WORLD PEACE, know this, they mean Socialism and communism and Slavery of the masses for the sake of the Elite. I stand with Jefferson and the anti-federalist.The tree of Liberty must be sprinkled with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants often. So much for peace eh!

I would ask everyone reading this to watch the church meeting video closely a coouple of times it is very telling and interesting.

Looks like the bad guys are trying to shut up one of the good guys again and lead the movement in the direction they wish it to go, NOWHERE...

Thanks to the poster of the video, without it I would have never known the name Nico Haup and the fact that he called em out and they got VIOLENT against him for it.

And if I have to take the Government claim a plane hit the tower over others claim one didn't... I would probably lean towards THE GOVERNMENT HAS LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING SO FAR, WHY WOULD THEY CHANGE NOW??

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theindependantjournal.

So you would stand with one fool screaming at a room full of civilised people about space beams and axotic veponry because it is posted on vickipedia.

I personally dont believe Nico Haupt is even capable of having a structured debate. Even when offered a chance to put his views forward he continues his rant about rubbish, without letting anyone else get a word in.

I suggest you check out Sceptic Overlords RATS thread entitled Truth about "9/11 Truthers"