US-Russia arms race to neutralise Europe

US-Russia arms race to neutralise Europe

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The White House in Washington last week said that the plans for the extension of the American anti-missile shield to eastern Europe were not meant to be against Russia. But every first-year student of international politics knows that defensive weapons play exactly the same role as offensive ones, and the military uses them accordingly.

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[edit on 2-6-2007 by UM_Gazz]

Is this a case of here we go again, with what seems tensions mounting between the US and Russia. Are the people of the world going to have to pay yet again for new weapons?

Dont we have enough allready?

Question if the US make the missile shield and Russia says its not going to be effective then why bother. Iran may or may not be a problem in the future. All I know is that somebody will pay for all of this!

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I fail to see how the US Missile Shield will neutralize Europe? Now if it said the lack of defence spending within the EU will neutralize Europe, I would go for that

That may be correct I dont know, Tax paying folk will have to fit the bill though. What say does Joe bloggs have in the matter, I feel very little. I am all for defending ones state but at what cost?

I think they're telling the truth here. There's no way these limited number of missiles of questionable accuracy could be any real threat to Russia's nuclear arsenal.

It might be able to shoot down one or two from a rogue state, but it would have no chance of shooting down hundreds of warheads coming from Russia.

This is just an excuse for Russia to up its own weapons spending.

[edit on 6/2/2007 by djohnsto77]

Originally posted by Id123

Is this a case of here we go again, with what seems tensions mounting between the US and Russia. Are the people of the world going to have to pay yet again for new weapons?

Dont we have enough allready?

Look.... Poland and the Czech Republic have been asking for this shield to get out under the influence of Russia...

They asked for the missile defense shield...

Perhaps you don't understand that Russia has been threatening and blackmailing these two countries, alongside some others, for a while now.

Poland and the Czech Republic said "enough is enough".

Are you Polish or Czechoslovakian?

Iran has long range missile or soon will have I think. I thought that the US patriot MK2? system would be able to deal with them, I guess I may be wrong on that, My thoughts are based on the "Fact" that if the US deploys this new system it will upset the balance of power in europe. So I feel Russia will have to deploy its new RS24 missile system. Which from what I have heard will not be affected by the US anti missile system. All I am asking is will it be a waste of money?

Perhaps you are refering ot the PAC-3 vriant of the Patriot. that is for theatre ballistic missiles NOT ICBM's which are a whole differnt animal.

How exactly does a limited balistic missile defence upset the balance of power? If the US was going to deploy the system by the 1000's you might have apoint. However, we are talking about what 10-20 ABM's. even if they are 100% accurate 100% of the time, thats not even the compliment of missiles on a Delta IV SSBN let alone the Russian land forces.

We are talking about the differnece here between bouncing the rubble 15 times instead of 16. In other words, all they have to do is launch more than 20 missiles and they will be able to hit thier taargets with impunity.

Russia is making a big deal because Putin needs an excuse to funnel more money to cronies who build the missiles. It makes no differnece in thier strategic outlook.

Look.... Poland and the Czech Republic have been asking for this shield to get out under the influence of Russia...

What are you talking about, there is no recent influence by russia on poland and czech republic, it has past almost 20 years since anything like that has taken place.

Perhaps you don't understand that Russia has been threatening and blackmailing these two countries, alongside some others, for a while now.

propaganda propaganda......
If you are talking about gas, this issue concerns the whole europe and it's not related on military events or threats, it's about the gas price.
I think I will think of you from this moment on in to the future as the propaganda man on ATS.

What you're seeing here is an uprated NATO policy. The Russians are in decline at the moment, so of course their gonna be cranky about this. I don't think they're ever gonna "like" having NATO on their doorstep. They can't compete with it, and it'll be a cold cold day in Miami before they can keep up with it.

U.S. developed, deployed, maintained, anti-missile missiles?

i liken this tactic to that of the street pusher,
he will front or just give a few doses of their 'product' for free- -
and then after a need is established, the pusher commands a 'price'
for the stuff................it works the sme for arms sales & 'merchants'


give me a break...the 10-20 missile battery is just laying the groundwork
& infrastructure for an arms system that someone is being convinced
they need. Politics at work

I had no idear the is was to be limited to 20missile. So maybe not so bad for the Russians.

Listen up, I'm only going to say this once.

Russia has a role to play in the destruction of mankind and/or the Earth, as does the USA.

If you haven't noticed, Russia has been funding and aiding every country we have hostilities with, we being the USA, and also most European countries are in agreement with the Iranian line of policy.

They've equipped Iran with the latest and greatest anti-aircraft air defense systems, which also shoot down cruise missiles and the like. The Tor-M1 mobile batteries, and they've already been deployed circling Iran's nuclear facilities. I've seen the overhead satellite photographs.

They've also given this in a lesser amount to Syria. Syria has a few batteries, but not like Iran, Iran has been armed to the teeth with those things.

The reason is obvious: Russia wants us to receive maximum casualties and losses if we were to attack Iran by air and sea. Same goes for Israel attacking Syria by air. They also want to deter us outright from even trying to attack Iran. And now they use a defensive only missile shield as a reason to test-fire new nuclear ICBMs? great.

If Putin graduates into Anti-Christ mode, starts lobbing nukes around the world, supports an all-out assault on Israel by Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, etc, and starts making it possible for terrorists to aquire nuclear materials, I would not be the least bit surprised. He's former KGB, so he used to be a damn assassin .. excuse me, intelligence agent. He just seems like a bonafied CREEP..

Originally posted by Justin Oldham
What you're seeing here is an uprated NATO policy. The Russians are in decline at the moment, so of course their gonna be cranky about this.

They are in fact deploying a new generations of both SLBM's and ICBM's and even a new ballistic missile submarine. Over the next few years they will also be modernizing and re-equipping those three Typhoons they are currently using for test beds and holding in reserves. How is it that a Russia in decline have more operational ballistic missile submarines and a larger and more mobile land based ICBM force?

I don't think they're ever gonna "like" having NATO on their doorstep. They can't compete with it, and it'll be a cold cold day in Miami before they can keep up with it.

NATO has no power over Russia and i am still attempting to discover where that myth originated from. What exactly can NATO do, excluding terrorizing the third world and so forth, that the USSR can not had it chosen to?

Stellar

Originally posted by StellarX
NATO has no power over Russia and i am still attempting to discover where that myth originated from. What exactly can NATO do, excluding terrorizing the third world and so forth, that the USSR can not had it chosen to?

NATO has caused a great deal of loss in the area of previous regional influences and a 'Westernization' pressure within elements of the government.

Russia’s recent move to freeze its commitments to the CFE Treaty is one such example, the continuance to ignore the obligations of removing forces from bases in Georgia and Moldova (according to the Istanbul Agreement) are also in a response to a number of items related to NATO and NATO nations, not just the missile defense deployments.

She’s been upset about old Warsaw Pact nations joining NATO for a while along with the general expansion of the NATO alliance, the West’s refusal to ratify the CFE Treaty until the Istanbul agreement has been fulfilled (Putin claims the two are not linked), Washington’s move to leave the ABM Pact with Russia in 2001 (effecting NATO nations), the State Duma making a move to appease the West by ratifying the “Partnership for Peace” program (with NATO), US bases being planned in Romania and Bulgaria, a US-Czech radar station, nuances of the NATO treaty concerning troop movements by Russia inside her own borders etc, etc.…then the open deployment and various national requests for deployment of a minimal “shield”.....

This missile defense issue is a response to many other issues; but NATO has influence and Putin desires much less.


mg

This whole thing is a load of nonsense.

Russia wants an excuse for more money to be spent on the military and the US...I don't know what the hell we are doing.

The Bush administration is one boat load full of mental rejects. I don't even get why we even have military bases, shields, missiles, etc. all over the world. And Mitt Romney says we don't spend ENOUGH on the military and Hillary and Obama wants to make us into a Europe!

A lot of good choices for the future. And the Democrats suck just as much as the Republicans!

I'm venting -_-

Wait a minute, im no Einstein but if you can fire a defencsive missle thing at us to protect, im 99% sure you can fire an offensive one, so yanks, Bugger off, England is great we can hold our own.

This is a missle defense system. What does it have to do w/ offense?
Russia is just trying distract attention away from all their internal problems.

I really beleive that the Missle Defense System is a really bad idea. Has anyone thought that Russia may start builting there own or just maybe Cold War: Part II.

I also failed to say that the Missle Defense System is still having major set backs. Most of the time it misses the incoming threat.