the knowledge of life after death

Hi everyone, i have a question. Does anyone think that there's someone on this planet that knows what goes on when we die? Does anyone believe the stories of near death experiencers or astral projectors (robert monroe and bruce? Does anyone think that someone on this planet knows the truth of what truly is out there (scope of everything)? Does anyone believe the notion that we live in a 5 dimenional world, or there's 13 dimensions all together? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Personally I tend to agree with those that say your astral body continues on even after your physical body dies. The reason for this is that I once had a very vivid dream, one of those dreams where it feels so real that you dont know what real means anymore. In this dream I was dead, and I left my physical form and went into the astral form. I was floating upward into space, and someone else was there with me. The feeling I felt during this dream was like some sort of amazing enlightenment. I feel that this dream was not a dream, but rather a message about the afterlife. This dream is a major influence on my beliefs to this day, and I had no foreknowledge about astral projection or lucid dreaming beforehand. It was the dream that made me seek out information on these phenomena.

Consciousness does not live in the brain, but rather in our astral forms. Therefore we are immortal.

The problem with this theory is that I could not give you any details. I feel science will one day explain these things, but I'm only inclined to believe this because of my very profound dream and how it ironically aligns with a lot of existing belief structures pertaining to astral projection and so on.

I suspect there are a number of individuals who know a great deal. Just as Mozart was a musical prodigy, it's reasonable to suspect that others have been spiritual prodigies. However, with knowledge comes wisdom, usually. So those who DO 'know' would feel compelled, most likely, to defer to organised religions, rather than reveal what they know.

As well, if they knew such a great deal, they may not be interested in attempting to convince the rest of us, over the almost certain opposition from organised religion and State.

Regardless of how much knowledge they possess, these people most likely only have the same amount of time in a human body. They'd be faced with the decision about whether to devote that time and energy to perfecting themselves and gaining further knowledge --- or going out to try to educate everyone else.

They'd be subject to endless scepticism and criticism. Responding to that would be a full-time job.

Organised religion serves a number of purposes: it renders people 'manageable' and socially-responsible, for the large part.

If those with special knowledge revealed, for example, that organised religion is wrong --- what would happen to all those who depend on religion to get them through? There'd be chaos and confusion. The bottom and meaning of people's lives may well fall out from beneath them. Governments and police don't really maintain law and order: that's just an illusion made possible after religion has 'programmed' people to behave and believe in certain ways.

It may be that people are intended to follow a predetermined plan, and revelations from those who actually 'know' what life is all about may not be part of that plan. So for this reason, they may maintain silence. They may be required to.

Possession of knowledge carries with it certain responsibilities.

Someone of today's age who greatly interests me is Matthew Manning. As a youth, he apparently possessed outstanding psychic abilities. He experienced the usual psychic phenomena in addition to the extraordinary. For example, he was able to communicate with an entity whose identity was never revealed by Manning, as far as I'm aware. All Manning publicly revealed was that the entity had claimed medical expertise and was willing to share some of this with Manning, for the benefit of humans. He prescribed medications (via Manning) which allegedly were highly successful, if somewhat unorthodox.

In his earlier years and in order to control and direct the overwhelming psychic phenomena to which he was being subjected, Manning was advised to practise automatic writing. As result, he produced several dozen drawings very much in the style of numerous well-known artists, such as Durer, Picasso, etc. Manning had little artistic ability, yet he was able to swiftly produce highly-complex works in a variety of widely differing styles, many of which were 'signed' by the artist, or rather, by what claimed to be the artists' spirits.

Manning was in direct contact with the spirit of a former owner of Manning's parents' home for considerable time, during which numerous 'apports' were bestowed upon Manning by the spirit. On one occasion, while Manning was being investigated by the Society for Psychic Research and others, 500-plus signatures were written by spirits on Manning's wardrobe doors. Later investigation revealed, according to investigators, that many of the spirits had lived several centuries before, and were buried in the local churchyard.

In the 1970's approx., Manning wrote a number of books about his experiences and conclusions. Like Monroe, we must suspect that not all was revealed; maybe not more than a fraction. But what *was* revealed was fascinating. Amongst these was Manning's claim that he'd been in contact with Frederick Myers, one of the founding members (along with numerous scientists, politicians etc. of the late Victorian era) of the SPR and of Cross Communications fame. Myers and his co-members had declared, prior to their deaths, that if it were possible, they would communicate with others of their group in order to prove the reality of Life After Death. Myers and the others reportedly DID establish communication with the living, via a sophisticated series of messages which, when combined like a jig saw puzzle, spelt out a message from beyond the grave.

According to Manning, Myers (some 70 plus years after his physical death) contacted Manning from beyond the grave. And in reply to Manning's questions, stated that establishing contact with the living was as difficult as dictating to a deaf secretary from behind a glass wall.

When in adulthood however, Manning ceased to provide information to the public about the spiritual realms, much to my disappointment and that of many others. Instead (and very nobly) he has devoted his life and energies to healing work.

We can only wonder why Manning ceased to inform the public about life after death.

Maybe he was advised 'from beyond' that the information and powers provided him were not to be shared with the masses?

Maybe he tired of being a circus freak, required to perform endlessly and ultimately to be subjected to accusations of fraud (as has occurred to so many others)?

Maybe he was warned by science, organised religion, etc. to 'shut up' or else?

He was studied by researchers in the US and Europe, as was Uri Geller. At the time, certain researchers acknowledged that both Manning and Geller possessed 'abilities' for which science had no explanation.

All through history there have been individuals in all corners of the globe, who've had extraordinary abilities and knowledge. And while organised religion takes a very strong interest in these people, very little is revealed to the masses.

Those who 'know too much' are regarded as a threat by those who wield the power. For this reason, those who know most -- say little. They tend to shun the limelight and seek isolation. It may be their natural inclination. Or it may be in the interests of their own survival.

Knowledge is power and those who hold power are usually highly reluctant to share it. For this reason, we the masses are fed only what the powerful wish us to know and believe. And for this reason, we will probably only learn by accident (or divine plan) what truths are there to be learned.

The most wise usually seek a humble life of meditation and good works. Most of them advocate detachment during our mortal existence as the path via which we might strive to attain 'bliss' after physical death. Detachment from the ego, from material things, from emotional attachments, etc.

For most of us, this is the opposite of what we wish to hear. We have a difficult time dealing with the news we will become 'nothing' after death -- that (if we're lucky) we'll discard our personality and meld with the universal whole.

Instead, we seek reassurance that we (and those we love) will continue to 'be ourselves' after death, albeit minus a physical body. We cling to the hope and belief that after death, we'll join our loved ones in a paradise very similar to our current lives, but minus the pain, the violence, the unpleasantness, etc.

So, maybe we're not ready to receive whatever knowledge the wise-ones have to impart. Which is maybe why they don't bother pressing such information upon us. Pearls before swine, maybe?

Whatever the case, when we're ready, we'll know ourselves.

Doesn't prevent our being curious and interested, though

We're made of energy, that has to go somewhere.
And to malakiem question maybe similar to omniscience?
The ability to know everything there is to know

Omniscience

I've always wondered how true monroe and bruce are. But one must wonder if anyone in this world knows what goes on when we die. I don't nesecarily believe in demons are negative entities. And from my research memories and information from the other side is in forms of energy waves from the planet or elsewere. But i don't think that any ghost is evil either, if there angry, they have good reason to. But the thing that saddend me the most is nde's seem to not really show of an existance of life after death, and the only astral projection studies are from charles tart. So i'm always in the middle of who to believe.

I do believe that NDEs give a glimpse of what happens after death. However, the way that I take your question is that you want to know if anyone knows conclusively.

Well, I personally don't think that anything can be known conclusively. Too many people say, "Well, I know this, that and the other, for sure." Really, now? Do we even know beyond any shadow of adoubt that we are even real? No, we don't.

When talking about the afterlife, I think much of it is based upon what one believes. Those who are not expecting anything, those who expect annihilation after death, will most likely encounter that, at least initially.

However, I am getting a bit off topic. So, does anyone know what the after life is like, you ask. I suspect that the Roman church probably has a fair understaning of what happens after death. Of course, the general populace isn't likely to be privy to such information.

In the 17th century, under the orders of Pope Paul V, the Secret Archives were removed from the Vatican Library and remained absolutely closed to Vatican outsiders until the 19th century, fueling rumors of what might be secreted away there.

Secret Archives

Now, obviously, there is probably information within these archives that the Pope is not even aware of. Pope John Paul, who may have been the last decent Pope we will see, seemed to be very concerned for the situation of the world and what lay in store for it. Perhaps he came across some of these archives and was frightened by what they had to say.

Of course, there is no way of knowing whether these documents had anything to do with the afterlife, but I tend to think that some of them are bound to. Apparently, some scholars are well informed about certain documents within the archives.

There is no browsing, and selected scholars must ask in advance for the precise document they wish to see; thus, they must know in advance that such a document exists

Secret Knowledge?

Obviously, whatever these documents contain, there is some information that they don't want released to the general populace.

Obviously, there are varying views of the afterlife. The afterlife certainly does not have any consensus in the mind of man. It is hard to say who may hold the truth about what happens after death.



[edit on 3-6-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

It's sad, to this day i can't find anything positive about life after death. But it all boils down to is belief of a certain thing. I ofted wonder who is right, if no one is right then what is the truth about aliens and even life after death. I even wonder why no man on earth seems to know the truth about either (seems that way). I wonder if one day we will know the truth. But i still haven't heard any details of any experiments on nde's. I wonder if the spirit does live outside the mind (conciousness). Sometimes, even though i'm still young that there is life after death. That it is something to not fear and look forward to becuase you still exist.

I am a spiritual medium of many years.

It isn't just belief that comes into play after death, but also vibration. There are vibrational states and the corresponding levels of development that are beyond the religious heavens and the pertaining discarnate communities.

The choices we make in life matters deeply.

Life is a golden opportunity to live a spiritual life in a world of darkness.

Life is very important because how we have lived our life largely determines how far we can go into the light.

From Near Death Experience conclusions.

Note the phrase above...

"...how far we can go into the light."

The Light facet of the discarnate dimensions is reported by the vast majority of near-death experiencers.

The Light is infinite, nonliving, and governed by Universal Law that cannot be changed one iota. It is that which enabled the Universe to be created in the first place and for souls to exist. Without The Light, there would be absolutely nothing.

We not only judge ourselves when we cross over but we are also judged by The Light. This determines our ability or inability to ascend or expand in The Light. The higher the plane, the brighter and more powerful the dimension of energy in The Light.

As far as astral projection is concerned, I recommend not pursuing it. The reason for this is because when you project from the flesh, unless you are prepared to totally sever your connection to the body, you are limited to only venturing into the Lower Realms of Spirit; a point that is below the vibrational levels of even the Mid Realms (where the religious heavens reside).

Want to be happy on the Other Side after death?

Strive to live by The Golden Rule, be as selfless as you can be with people, and cultivate your ability to Radiate Love.

To read about an NDE that covers The Light or Master-Vibration and the importance of cultivating unselfish love, go here.

One's ability to love genuinely and deeply, not our conception of God, is what determines our ability to ascend in The Light after we are free of matter.

That is how cosmic justice operates for everyone, of every faith, belief system, and philosophy.

I think Buddism is the only religion that has grasped a decent understanding of spiritualism and esoteric topics. It is a very old religion, been around much longer than Christianity. I think what they say about there being 7 chakras, 7 different types of bodies i.e. mental, physical, emotional, astral, etc, etc. and 7 dimensions is true and correct. I think that one day quantum physics will unravel all the mysteries and discover that many aspects of the buddist religion were completely accurate and correct.

So in answer to your question, there probably is someone who knows exactly what happens after death, in fact there are probably more than just one person. The people that know would be the enlightened buddist monks that have devoted all their life to buddist traditions and the religion.

Also, don't forget about Hinduism where many Buddhist concepts come from. There's much that has been written by Hindu mystics about the death process and what happens when we die.

[edit on 5-6-2007 by spookyg80]

What happens when we die...
Well, lets take this from the perspective of someone who has already died. Let's see it in their '1st person' you might say.

The experience is different for each of us of course, just as we precieve life here in the physical differently, we also get our differences in the transition due to beliefs etc.

You are working on your truck on the side of the road. It's a real bear to fix and your moods is anything other than good and your consentrating on the car hoping to get it fixed before dark.

Cars and trucks are wooshing by and it causes you to get even angrier.

The cars rushing by, it seems, is endless; and your fixiated on anger and the bolt that won't come loose. You finaly give way to your anger and pull yourself from under the car. People begin pulling over to help you, finally. Several cars have now pulled over and you can see red flashing lights in the distance. You walk toward the man approaching you and the car, greatful for help, to ask if he has a ratchet. But the man walks right on by you and heads toward your car.

As you turn to follow him you feel this colder than ice jolt flash through you. It's panic and fear, but the confussion hasn't cleared and you don't equate the sight of the man and his horrific death sceen with your own.

In this case, the man was confused for a while longer than many. No one saw him as a ghost etc, but if you were there on the sceen and were sensitive to the energy of others, you may have felt the emotion and confusion and fear he felt.

In the case of a terminal person that is pieceful and religious and ready, their transistion is much different. It can feel as if they are relieved the moment they die. Actualy - it's odd... when the person leave his/her body to 'die'... that person still has shollow breath and the heart is still beating.

There are as many ways of making that transision as thier are people to make that transistion.

Originally posted by malakiem
It's sad, to this day i can't find anything positive about life after death. But it all boils down to is belief of a certain thing. I ofted wonder who is right, if no one is right then what is the truth about aliens and even life after death. I even wonder why no man on earth seems to know the truth about either (seems that way). I wonder if one day we will know the truth. But i still haven't heard any details of any experiments on nde's. I wonder if the spirit does live outside the mind (conciousness). Sometimes, even though i'm still young that there is life after death. That it is something to not fear and look forward to becuase you still exist.

There are all kinds of studies done on life after death and NDE's.

The University of Arizona is doing ongoing research on life after death.
And a few months ago just published the results of a triple blind peer reviewed study.
veritas.arizona.edu...

The University of Virgina is doing research on NDE's and reincarnation.
www.healthsystem.virginia.edu...

And there is an excellent free ebook that has research conducted over the last 100 years or so from scientist around the world on the afterlife.
www.victorzammit.com...

I agree with the seven astral plane paradigm that is found not only in Buddhism but in many metaphysical schools of thought.

However, there are spiritual planes of energy that are beyond even the seventh set of dimensions.

One does not reach a certain point in evolution and then just stop.

There are no limitations.

For the conscientious, spiritual growth is an eternal process

[edit on 5-6-2007 by Paul_Richard]

Originally posted by Eonnn
I think Buddism is the only religion that has grasped a decent understanding of spiritualism and esoteric topics. It is a very old religion, been around much longer than Christianity.

Buddhism may not be the only one that has truths to tell of the afterlife... But, it may be the most understandable to the modern Western mindset...The Tibetan Book of the Dead a Tibetan Buddhist text,
includes descriptions that have uncanny similarities to what many people
relate, who have had NDE (Near death Experiences)...

And remember, Buddhism is where many Westerners first encounter the
concept of reincarnation

Western psychology offer man parallels to some of the ancient teachings of Buddhism...

[edit on 5-6-2007 by cosmokatt7]

Originally posted by malakiem
It's sad, to this day i can't find anything positive about life after death. But it all I ofted wonder who is right,

I had posted this a few weeks or so ago, this fellow Roll has some interesting things to say about life after death, I tend to believe him in general as I have experienced death, or near death, floating over my body etc. Though maybe I had gone into shock and my body was shutting down? and it was all in my head hehehe thats what the doctors tell me anyway.

ATS here is the four part videos
Michael Roll: The Scientific and Rationalist Case for Life After Death

Source
The Scientific And Rationalist Case For Life After Death - An Interview with Michael Roll

hat tip to etshrtslr

The Veritas Research Progam: Discovering the truth about the survival of consciousness and the continuity of life.

The VERITAS Research Program of the Laboratory for Advances in Consciousness and Health (formerly the Human Energy Systems Laboratory) in the Department of Psychology at the University of Arizona was created primarily to test the hypothesis that the consciousness (or personality or identity) of a person survives physical death.

veritas.arizona.edu...

[edit on 5/6/2007 by Sauron]

Originally posted by cosmokatt7
And remember, Buddhism is where many Westerners first encounter the
concept of reincarnation

Actually, the Cathari or Cathars of Languedoc in the Thirteenth Century had a stronger influence in medieval Europe and within underground mystical movements since then, than Buddhism. That is, before they were hunted down and destroyed by the mercenary armies of the Roman Catholic Church during the infamous Albigensian Crusade.

The Cathari embraced and espoused the doctrine of reincarnation.

I did my senior thesis for my undergraduate degree in history on The Albigensian Crusade.

Originally posted by malakiem
Hi everyone, i have a question. Does anyone think that there's someone on this planet that knows what goes on when we die? Does anyone believe the stories of near death experiencers or astral projectors (robert monroe and bruce? Does anyone think that someone on this planet knows the truth of what truly is out there (scope of everything)? Does anyone believe the notion that we live in a 5 dimenional world, or there's 13 dimensions all together? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Hi!

I think, there is no life after death (for example Heaven, or Hell). Imagine the human body, as a computer hardwware, the soul/awareness as a computer software, like Windows NT...

Death uninstals this software, because the dead human body can no longer support its requirements. Every person's soul is unique, like a fingerprint. Certain DNA is required to instal a certain type, and a certain soul, once existed in a living person. For example, if somebody's soul was a hostile one in a previous life (due to a type of gene), his soul may be a nice one due to another gene.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but is it possible to alter the type of an existing soul, or will it become another one, due to the type of human body?

Actually, managing the type of souls and the type of humans on Earth, is an alien issue, not coincidence. Isn't it?

Speaking of astral projection...astral projector ghosts go into the sun.This I figured out.

Here's what I know based on my Instrumental Transcommunication (ITC) experimentation's and this includes EVP which is a sub-set of ITC.

-- Those who are in a coma linger in a netherworld where they can be heard in EVP recordings saying "help me!" because they truly are lost and do not know where to turn. In my opinion it is a horrible place to be and thanks to modern medicine, there are many more such individuals caught in this 'in-between world' than ever before.

-- This same netherworld is also occupied by those who have died but are too attached to their worldly addictions to move on and instead choose to 'feed' off of those humans who also share their addictions in a vicarious manner.

-- This same netherworld is also occupied by those who are too attached to the area they lived in and refuse to move on...

-- This same nether-world is also occupied by those who are so full of fear and guilt, they are afraid to move on because they don't know if they will end up in the 'hell' of whatever religion they believed in.

-- This same netherworld is also occupied by those inflexible humans who were fanatical or militant about their religious belief systems where once they died, found that things were a lot different from what they believed in. So much so, they choose to remain stuck in this 'in between' world because they don't trust that even 'going into the light' is not of the devil.

-- Then there are those who simply cannot accept that they are dead most likely through accidental deaths and so on....

All of the above are the one's we EVP recorders are hearing saying "help me" in our recordings.

So now let us switch over to the avg. person.

-- Just as he's dying he see's his relatives and friends. He's happy to see them and when he expires he crosses over he gravitates to those he was most connected to in one way or another -- my guess it's usually his family.

-- 'The family', which goes back countless generations reside in a 'city' named after the surname of that family.
-- They all live there happily but the place itself is called Heaven of which there are many cities.
-- Nevertheless, these residents of Heaven, no matter what 'city' they live in can bop around and communicate via ITC/EVP as members of other 'groups' that communicate specifically to people on our plane of existence who are also members of the same group of acquaintances. Martha Copeland's "The Big Circle" is one example of this.

-- There's more... a lot more but for now i will stop here.

All of the above are based on my own personal experiences having to do with the results of my ITC/EVP experiments.


[edit on 8-6-2007 by Palasheea]

It is a paradox in itself. For one to have knowledge of life after death they must have experienced death themselves.

Knowledge is a pre-requisite of an action, thus one must know they died to derive knowledge from it.

Will we know whether we died? Thats the real question