Smokers........... "You Bastards!"

For the record I am an Non smoker.
I think banning smoking in places like pubs is going to far having said that my tax dollars shouldn't have to pay for smokers health care if someone wants to make a dumb decision let them pay on more then one front.

I don't permit people to smoke in my home which of course is my right to do so but beyond the things I have mentioned I don't care if other people choose to smoke. This thread should be of interest to smokers and non smokers alike.

Originally posted by intrepid

OK, there's 10 bars and coffee shops in any given town. Why not designate one of each as a smoking establishment then? 9 of each for you 1 of each for the smokers? Anything wrong with that?

How can a government single out a bar to be non-smoking.

What about the non-smoking bar-maid who has to suck up a bar full of smoke and risk health problems to by diapers and baby food.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by realyweely
YOUR smoke affects MY health
Its quite simple though I doubt you will see that

Your perfume/cologne affects MINE. Why are you so special?

Can you expand on that? Are there health warnings on cologne or studies directly linking cologne use to a devastating list of health problems?

Or as sigung86 says to militantly lame non-smokers (excluding the compassionate, and often mildly-empathetic non-smoker) ...

I can always quit smoking, but you'll still be a jerk-weed (paraphrased for the General, and often easily offended audience here)...

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by realyweely
Bollocks
I dont wear either perfume or cologne so dont start that BS.

OK. How about your vehicle effects my health. Ban that.

"My vehicle" gets me to work. Your habit pleases your addiction to a product that does only that and kills.

Well first let me say, I have not read this whole thread. However, I grow up in thick smoke that choke me nonstop. I couldn’t breath for the 18 years in my own home. I would have to crack my window and put my face up against it just to get some air. On top of that my dad’s smoke made me stink. Smoke has a very nasty odor to it.

Aside from that there was several times I would go into the donut shop with my mother and the donuts tasted so much like smoke. The place was thick with smoke, the food and drinks tasted like smoke. It was awful. The food was awful. I didn’t go in there much for that reason.

Though, I have never smoke I fill my lungs are black from the second hand smoke I lived with for 18 years.

I can not stand someone blowing their smoke in my face and I’m choking on it. So many times in stores or anywhere you walk by and you get choked on someone else’s smoke. I don’t think it is right to force their smoke on me that way. For me I’m glad smoking has came to an end in public stores, etc… I can now eat food without it tasting like smoke. I can now walk into a store without getting choked on someone else’s smoke. I can now breath.

Did you know that perfume is made of toxic chemicals that can injure your health? Many of the chemicals in perfume are the same chemicals in cigarette smoke, and yet there is no regulation of the fragrance industry. Many people are "bothered" by perfumes - developing headaches, sinus problems, and even asthma from exposures. Many have gotten sick or even disabled from wearing (or being exposed to) fragrances and using other scented products (me included). And fragrances are now used in almost every cleaning, laundry, and personal-care product on the market! These chemicals go directly into the bloodstream when applied to our skin and are also absorbed into the skin from our clothing. We also inhale the chemical fumes, which then go straight to our brains where they can do major harm. Many even have a "narcotic" effect, which is why some people seem "addicted" to their perfumes. Please take the time to read the following articles and educate yourself about the health risks to you and your family:

www.ourlittleplace.com...

perfumes and other scented products contain many of the same offending chemicals as shs does, and is just as dangerous.



[edit on 2-6-2007 by dawnstar]

[edit on 2-6-2007 by dawnstar]

Interesting to see how certain people are so concerned about their heath or health of non-smokers - I just want to know, if they know what else is slowly killing them every single day? What about toxic fumes, you people inhal everyday if living in a city? Alochol? Wrongly prescribed medications? Dare I suggest that western governments raining down depleted uranium in all corners of the world, spraying chemtrails in our skies, playing Dr. Frankenstein with our food, drugging us into oblivion with psychotropic poison pills, shooting x-rays to expose our naked bodies, and injecting us with toxic vaccines really care about our physical well-being? And you guys are still worried about a little bit of smoke?

I Smoke.,..... but i dont smoke in my house. i smoke at my front or back door.

I dont smoke in bars , offices, cinemas , resteraunts. etc.

It doesnt bother me that i have to stand outside in the rain smoking.

What i would mind is if i cant smoke in the street. thats too much.

Originally posted by xpert11
For the record I am an Non smoker.
I think banning smoking in places like pubs is going to far having said that my tax dollars shouldn't have to pay for smokers health care if someone wants to make a dumb decision let them pay on more then one front.

Smokers pay more taxes than you.

This goes back to the whole selfish thing. I hear this arguement all the time but people don't realize how much taxes smokers pay as oppossed to the non-smoker. Same goes with the obese. I hear "why should my taxes blah blah blah". Or I hear "why should my taxes help those with AIDS. It's their own fault...blah, blah blah".

This is why I have no hope for the future of mankind.

Originally posted by Biggs
Can you expand on that? Are there health warnings on cologne or studies directly linking cologne use to a devastating list of health problems?

Do a simple google search. You'll find plenty of info on it. BTW, I can't breath around someone who is wearing pefume or cologne. But I CAN breath around smokers. At least to my lungs, which do you think is worse?

Originally posted by Biggs
"My vehicle" gets me to work. Your habit pleases your addiction to a product that does only that and kills.

Your vehicle is a luxury same as smoking. Also, the point is that there are alternative fuels for vehicles. If the government was so adamant about our health issues, don't you think they'd be finding alternatives to fossil fuels? Nope, because there in lies the money.

Originally posted by junglelord
You cannot defend a product that should not be sold....
unless we strike a deal and I can smoke pot where you smoke tobacco freely in public
other wise suck it up

I believe my solution is best
quit selling it.

If you want tobacco or pot you have to grow your own.
Nothing sold legal should cause cancer when ingested or inhaled, nothing grown should be illegal.

Government takes a hands off approach to the individual based on personal freedoms.

Face it pot and tobbaco are harmful to the lungs.

Proabition did not stop drinking so the war on drugs (pot)is pointless as pot is not a social evil.

Let people do what they want at home, but in public no smoking in doors

If you will excuse me now I am gonna smoke a joint for my chronic pain/
Something I cannot do in public....
at least your crap is legal
(though god knows why)
so like I say suck it up.

[edit on 2-6-2007 by junglelord]

I think people on both sides of this debate need to calm down a little and think rationally about this. Banning cigarettes completely? That's stupid, unrealistic and is not on many people's agenda in any case, so let's leave that one aside. When it comes to banning cigarette smoke from public, crowded places, I do not see how anyone can have a problem with this. Let's not play the pointing game and shout out all the other social ills all at once. Society is flawed, but we want to make it better, and we have to start somewhere.

Smoking in bars, restaurants, clubs etc. poses a significant health risk to passive smokers, yes, so does fast food and insufficient exercise, but right now were dealing with smoking. In general, I have little personal concern for my health in regards to passive smoke, because I willingly do many other things that are a lot worse for my health. However, I have a huge problem with waking up on a Saturday morning and smelling like s#. My clothes stinks, my hair stinks, it's disgusting. I walk into a bar, a restaurant, whatever, and it smell disgusting. I hate it and so does every other non-smoker. If it should be perfectly permissible to do this to people then there should be no problem for me to walk around a mall throwing s# at people and rubbing it into their clothes, because at the end of the day, whether cigarette of s#, I have to go out of my to cleanse myself of a particularly unpleasant stimulus.

By all means smoke, smoke as much as you want, but please go outside, away from me.

What's wrong with leaving it up to the owner of the establishment? It's NONE of the gov't business! Keep them out of our lives! The free market can take care of this to everyone's satisfaction.

Business owners should have the exclusive right to make their own rules for their own eastablishment based on their own customers needs/ wants. It's none of your business how they run their own place! Go there- or don't! Based on whether you like it there or not.

I am an ex-smoker. I feel sorry for smokers today. They're being banned from everywhere. I totally think there should be certain bars and restaurants that serve smokers. And if non-smokers want to go there, fine. But shut up. It's a smoker's bar and you know that. If you don't like it, get the heck out. Go to one of the 9 bars that prohibit smoking.

I think smokers are one of the few remaining people that it's ok to discriminate against. And I disagree with it.

Many people who quit smoking think that now EVERYONE should quit smoking. I hate those people! Militant ex-smokers I call them. It's like they don't remember what it was like to smoke.

I smile at smokers and sometimes tell them that their cigarette smells so good to me, because it does! I LOVED smoking! So, just know that there's at least one non-smoker out here who still loves you and supports your right to smoke.

Originally posted by junglelord
Nothing sold legal should cause cancer when ingested or inhaled...

Like bacon? Or pesticides? Or processed meats? Benzene? Linseed oil? Paint thinner or remover? Gasoline?

so like I say suck it up.

How 'bout you suck it up on the pain?

[edit on 2-6-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

I am sucking up the pain right now and its great.
I love the polite response
pain management especially chronic pain has nothing to do with a useless addiction
but thanks anyway for the warm feelings and support.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I am an ex-smoker. I feel sorry for smokers today. They're being banned from everywhere. I totally think there should be certain bars and restaurants that serve smokers. And if non-smokers want to go there, fine. But shut up. It's a smoker's bar and you know that. If you don't like it, get the heck out. Go to one of the 9 bars that prohibit smoking.

Here in DC before the smoking ban came into effect this January, there were at least 3 bars that I can think of that went non smoking a year or two ago. One of which was opened 3 or 4 years ago and it was opened as a non smoking bar. Guess what. That wasn't enough for the smoke nazis. They wanted ALL bars smoke free.

Now, we have at least 2 bars that have lost enough revenue (and they can prove it) that the city is going to let them apply for a smoking license.

As far as a restaurant, I agree with no smoking.

But, no one and I say no one goes to a bar to get healthy. Period.

Edit: I'm also an ex-smoker that feels for the smokers.

[edit on 6/2/2007 by Griff]

Originally posted by AcesInTheHole

Originally posted by realyweely
YOUR smoke affects MY health

So go sit somewhere else!

You know people in this world smoke, you choose to go out and be around people. A guy sits next to you that has the flu. You choose whether or not to stay next to him, you certainly can't blame him for getting you sick. If you don't like it, go places where smoking isn't allowed.

Bad example dude. That guy who flew from france with an incurable form of TB. He knew he had t, and what it was, and still chose to fly. You can't very well not sit in a plane next to him if you don't know he has it. Same with smoking. You can't go places and not sit next to a smoker if you have to be there (work, public transit, walk way, etc.) That's why it's becoming illegal. Because it's unavoidable, and smokers (some) are too snooty and disrespectful to do it at home.