Why isnt Ron Paul being more vocal about the Federal Reserve ?

Ive seen Ron Paul on HBO's Bill whats his name show twice now. Each time he failed to mention anything about the Federal Reserve.

I read and saw a short clip on the recent debate he was in. Again I saw no mention of the federal reserve (correct me if i missed it).

Thats 3 national television audiences where the censors wouldnt be able to keep the truth from reaching a large audience.

I dont get it. Is Ron trying to tone down his libertarian views so he has a better shot at getting elected ? Lets be honest, he has no chance of that. My only hope with Ron Paul is that he can at least wake up some americans to the fact that the federal reserve is a privately owned bank (amazing how many dont know this) and is illegal.

He also hasnt mentioned his position that the CIA should be abolished. He hasnt brought up abolishing income tax and the IRS.

I know he supports all of that, so why not let americans know when he has the chance on national tv to inform americans that income tax law doesnt exist, the fed is an illegal private bank, and the cia is nothing more than a police force for corporate america.

I think Ron has missed a great opportunity

Perhaps because there is no real reason to abolish the Federal Reserve, change it,
yes, but it is Constitutionally legal, as the Congress Ok'd it, and the Constitution
does'nt actually prohibit them from forming a subsidiary component to take care of
the whole coining money thing.


As for the IRS and income tax, well income tax is Constitutional, and has been in the
Constitution for over 100 years, so it's part of it, and the IRS, while it like many government
agencies could probably do with some reorganizing and streamlining, is fine as well,
as it exists to manage the taxes.

Originally posted by iori_komei
As for the IRS and income tax, well income tax is Constitutional, and has been in the
Constitution for over 100 years, so it's part of it, and the IRS, while it like many government

Amendment XVI. 1913. Not 100 years yet.

Income tax is a bad thing because it lets the government selectively tax. Additionally, it discourages saving and investment. Bad thing altogether.

And as for the Federal Reserve? Stupid idea, too much inflation. And when it goes bad? Well, just look at the Great Depression.

[edit on 1-6-2007 by Johnmike]

Originally posted by admriker444
Ive seen Ron Paul on HBO's Bill whats his name show twice now. Each time he failed to mention anything about the Federal Reserve.

Are you kidding me? If he started talking about that he'd be cut off instantly. No one would cover that. That's the problem.

Originally posted by Johnmike

Originally posted by iori_komei
As for the IRS and income tax, well income tax is Constitutional, and has been in the
Constitution for over 100 years, so it's part of it, and the IRS, while it like many government

Amendment XVI. 1913. Not 100 years yet.

My mistake, you are right it was'nt added to the Constitution until 1913, but the practice of
it extends back to 1861, when Congress passed a 3% tax on all incomes above $600 a year,
for the time period of course, which would today be about $10,000.

I'm a Bush voter but I do like Ron Paul. I love his small government ideas. AND I am happy that he has gotten as much coverage as he has.

-- Boat

admriker444,

Watch his C-SPAN videos
here

Here on FoxNews, the day of the debates (5-15-07)
he kinda touches on the FED here, not directly though
youtube

There's more on youtube and google.
And I'm pretty sure he talks about abolishing the IRS
during the MSNBC debates, on national TV.

I've seen a whole list of his work too somewhere.
He's out there talking about it, but its the Media
that doesn't give the proper attention.

Originally posted by aecreate


I've seen a whole list of his work too somewhere.
He's out there talking about it, but its the Media
that doesn't give the proper attention.

Totally agree. There are only comedians covering him, cnn,fox, and msnbc refuse to most of the time. Maybe things will change though but I doubt it.

But hey....we do get to look forward to seeing him on the Colbert Report wich should be interesting....short but interesting.

Here's his upcomming appearances.

Mon 06/04 MEET Ron Paul at the Daily Show

Mon 06/04 Interview on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

Tue 06/05 CNN/WMUR/Union Leader Republican Primary Debate (i think this is supposed to be on the 6th, I may be wrong though)

Wed 06/13 Interview on the Colbert Report

Here's another video
Ron Paul and an ex-IRS agent on CNBC
youtube
credit goes to ModernAcademia for this
thread

Ive regularly heard Ron Paul talk about abolishment on the Federal Reserve but he is also realistic in that he states its probably not going to happen but you can try.

As for the IRS and tax collection, how do you think your lifestyle would compare today if noone but companies paid tax's ? does the word Plantations and caves sound good ?

You have to pay tax for a country to run, you do have to draw the line at what is a fair amount though.

Originally posted by mazzroth
Ive regularly heard Ron Paul talk about abolishment on the Federal Reserve but he is also realistic in that he states its probably not going to happen but you can try.

As for the IRS and tax collection, how do you think your lifestyle would compare today if noone but companies paid tax's ? does the word Plantations and caves sound good ?

You have to pay tax for a country to run, you do have to draw the line at what is a fair amount though.

There is a difference between paying taxes, and paying the federal income tax. You pay taxes everyday of your life. (state, land, gorceries, etc, etc)

Why should the government tax your labor? There labor you do so you can afford the other taxes mentioned above.

Originally posted by mazzroth
As for the IRS and tax collection, how do you think your lifestyle would compare today if noone but companies paid tax's ? does the word Plantations and caves sound good ?

You mean taxes. And that's a phrase, not a word.

Originally posted by mazzroth
You have to pay tax for a country to run, you do have to draw the line at what is a fair amount though.

Well, no, you don't, technically. You can get into things like anarchy and anarcho-capitalism. But I don't like such a thing, nor do that I think that it can be successful. Either way, the point is moot. We don't need an income tax. We just need a good sales tax and we're fine.

Originally posted by mazzroth
Ive regularly heard Ron Paul talk about abolishment on the Federal Reserve but he is also realistic in that he states its probably not going to happen but you can try.

As for the IRS and tax collection, how do you think your lifestyle would compare today if noone but companies paid tax's ? does the word Plantations and caves sound good ?

You have to pay tax for a country to run, you do have to draw the line at what is a fair amount though.

Our lifestyle wouldnt change one bit. Roads are paid by the gasoline tax, schools are paid by property tax, military gets their money from corporate tax, etc

100% of all income tax collected goes directly to the private bank known as the Federal Reserve. The Grace Commission determined this in 1983 after two years of extensive research by the top 100+ business minds in the country. Not one cent of all taxes pays for any civic services. All of your money goes to the Rockefeller family, the Rothschilds family, and the other owners.

And for the other poster, a tax on income is illegal. The Constitution only allows for direct apportioned tax, what we have is unapportioned. The 16th amendment which the IRS claims as justification for collecting this tax doesnt allow for it either. The US Supreme Court has ruled on several occasions that the 16th amendment grants no new power of taxation. And therefore, if they couldnt tax us before the 16th amendment (they couldnt), then they cant after.

To the other poster, that 3% flat tax on income was in fact legal because it was apportioned. Whats illegal is the current system which is unapportioned.

Finally, the Constitution strictly states that only congress shall have the power to print money and that money must be backed by precious metal. Futhermore, the US Supreme Court has ruled that Congress can NOT allocate that responsibility to anyone else.

There was a reason for the Constitution directly making sure that congress only woul print money. Our founding fathers were well aware the power and danger a private bank would have if it controlled the issuance of money...

taken from
quotes.liberty-tree.ca...
Thomas Jefferson wrote...

"If the American people ever allow private banks
to control the issue of their money,
first by inflation and then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will
grow up around them (around the banks),
will deprive the people of their property
until their children will wake up homeless
on the continent their fathers conquered."

What others think of the Federal Reserve...

The Grace Commission said...

"100% of what is collected is absorbed
solely by interest on the Federal Debt ...
all individual income tax revenues are gone
before one nickel is spent on the services
taxpayers expect from government."

Henry Ford said...

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand
our banking and monetary system, for if they did,
I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

Andrew Jackson said...

"The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government
... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people
should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the
establishment of another like it."

Charles Lindbergh SR said...

"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the
most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs
the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be
legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated
by this banking and currency Bill."

And the idiot who signed the illegal Federal Reserve act, Woodrow Wilson later realized his mistake. He stated...

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.
A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world.
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

And if you understand how we got the debt, its really a rather disgusting scam. Basically the govt goes to the Fed and says we need 500 billion dollars to cover our budget this year. The fed creates 500 billion dollars by pushing a few keys on a computer and transfers the money to the govt's account. And in exchange for those digits, our govt hands over us govt bonds which the american taxpayer is now obligated to pay INTEREST on.

The bank didnt hand over any gold or silver or anything of value. And yet we are now required to be taxed so they get their money. And thats why both the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th amendment were alleged to have passed (i say alleged because research done says the 16th amendment was never properly or legally ratified) in the very same year of 1913.

We do have an option. The Federal Reserve act left us without a way out of this arrangement. We can buy out the Federal Reserve, something like 450 billion dollars and we'd get back the power to print our money. We pay more than that each year in interest alone on the debt, so it would be a wise buyout. But Congress wont dare go after their financial backers unless they dont want to be re-elected


[edit on 6-6-2007 by admriker444]

Ron Paul has talked about that all in the debates and I believe Iori is either a stooge or a plant...

I suspect Plant, probably a venus fly trap

I wont leave it at that I will prove it to those willing to watch, which I assume most wont spend the time learning the truth, but nonetheless here it is.

Google Video Link

[edit on 6/6/2007 by theindependentjournal]

Just because I don't agree with your stance or Ron Paul's for that matter does not make
me unintelligent or a 'plant'.