Hypothetical: When Is It OK To Kill A Gray?

Listen dude start your own thread if you wish to explore that - you just got here today. YOU bring something... perhaps a clue might be to read the original post and respond to the hypothetical proposed please.

Others have been kind and interested enough to respond in good faith to the original post please comply or start you own thread.

Thank you,

vic

Too bad the late Phil Schneider is not around still, he would be able to answer your question!

Originally posted by roadgravel

Point taken here. We are also talking about aliens coming to earth and doing their dirty work.

If various governments of the world have had contact and refuse to disclose what they have learned then those officials are part if not most of the problem. What should the rules be or what are they in the universe. The rules in the universe might make humans look quite tame. It could be a conquer all universe. Maybe earth has already been conquered.

To what extend is that dirty work? Is it wrongly based on our assumptions upon our cultures?

If there is government who refuse to disclose, then it is the American government which is the real problems to our world.

Well, if there are many governments, then it is a big problem. The problem is not yet from Aliens. Not until we properly sit down and talk.

Kill 'em.
They ruined my life, caused the only
friends I have to scatter and I hate 'em.

P*ss is the best defense, they don't like it
sprayed at them. I've a weed-killer pack back
and it's loaded for bear.
I've also got a canteen on my belt for.... close
encounters.

God gave us urine for a purpose, use it.

If I ever see a alien, grey, green, blue or whatever....I will dump a entire Beta C mag into it's oversized noggin. Then I am going to sell whats left to the media. I dont care why it's here, where it is from, or what it wants. I see a one and the lead is flying.

[edit on 1-6-2007 by TXMACHINEGUNDLR]

Originally posted by V Kaminski
Listen dude start your own thread if you wish to explore that - you just got here today. YOU bring something... perhaps a clue might be to read the original post and respond to the hypothetical proposed please.

Others have been kind and interested enough to respond in good faith to the original post please comply or start you own thread.

Thank you,

vic

Me?

Well, don't start if you can't comprehend.

Yes you, Cin' whatever. Please respond to the original post, please. Is that so difficult or are you somehow "special" that you unable to comply with the request?

The Hypothetical scenario:

You are alone and you see Gray aliens (not Americans) and you feel mortally threatened... do you defend yourself? When is it "OK" to kill a Gray?

Ever? Never? Or do you just want to shoot Americans?

Vic

[edit on 1-6-2007 by V Kaminski]

I seriously doubt a human could kill a grey. Were talking about beings that could be thousands or even millions of years ahead of us. What makes people think that greys would even put themselves in a position to be killed by lowly humans? Just because there physical appearance is of small stature dosen't mean that were a match for them. From what I've read, they have very strong telekinetic powers, and thier tech is way beyond anything we have. So it just dosn't seem very realistic to me.

I would kill any Gray I see. Then I would take it to the taxidermist and have a full body mount made. I'd keep the stuffed Gray in my entry way as a warning to other Grays to stay away from MY planet.

I know that this thread is about grays, but I really don't want to make another thread regarding other alien species.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the responses apply to all those other species, but what about the Alpha Draconians?

ALPHA-DRACONIANS
Reptilian beings who are said to have established colonies in Alpha Draconis. Like all reptilians, these claim to have originated on Terra thousands of years ago, a fact that they use to 'justify' their attempt to re-take the earth for their own. They are apparently a major part of a planned 'invasion' which is eventually turning from covert infiltration mode to overt invasion mode as the "window of opportunity" (the time span before International human society becomes an interplanetary and interstellar power) slowly begins to close. They are attempting to keep the "window" open by suppressing advanced technology from the masses, which would lead to eventual Terran colonization of other planets by Earth and an eventual solution to the population, pollution, food and other environmental problems. Being that Terrans have an inbred "warrior" instinct the Draconians DO NOT want them/us to attain interstellar capabilities and therefore become a threat to their imperialistic agendas (Draconian).

So there plan is to invade the Earth when the time is right. When is the right time to kill them?

What about the Ulterrans? They can go in and out of "alternate" realities.

ULTERRANS - (or Ultraterrestrials)
These are said to be people who have been encountered at times entering or leaving an 'alternate' or 'parallel' existence, yet still operating within the ONE 'reality'. It is very unlikely that more than one 'physical reality' like ours exists, yet there is a theoretical possibility that another CO-EXISTENT 'world' might exist on the opposite end or polarity of the electromagnetic barrier. Many humanoid and/or neo-saurian inhabitants of this 'alternate' world if it exists originally came from our own 'world' through some type of vortex or through hi-tech means. There are said to be four intersecting "Universes" which make up the "Omniverse". One is the matter universe, the other is the antimatter universe. The nature of the other two is unknown (perhaps the matter and antimatter universes each have a forward and reverse time-flow phase?) Each of the four universes allegedly have 11 "dimensional densities", with a 12th density which is currently unfolding as a result of super-energies which are emanating from the black holes at the center of the galaxies. This multi-dimensional reality may explain various phenomena such as animals, objects, people and entire vessels which have seemingly fallen into or out of our 'world'. It may also be possible that certain objects in our 'world' would be invisible in the 'other' realm or dimension (or rather the opposite polarity of our reality!?) and visa versa. For instance, one airplane pilot who had become temporarily caught up in an EM-vortex in the 'Bermuda Triangle' SAW an island which was DESERTED, while the very same island was inhabited in the world he was familiar with. This would also explain the many accounts of people who claim to have seen or stopped at houses, cafes, hotels or other sites along remote stretches of road, only to return the same way and find that no such place 'exists'. Since both dimensions may 'flow-in' to each other, being part of the same electromagnetic superspectrum , such temporary displacement of objects and/or people from one 'world' to another might occur. This is not saying that one necessarily has an alternate 'self' inhabiting the alternate dimensions, but more a case of other 'dimensions' or 'universes' which were inhabited intentionally or unintentionally over a long period of time by humans, animals or 'other beings' which were somehow transported there. This would also explain the case of Joseph Vorin, who suddenly appeared as 'out-of- nowhere' near Frankfurt-am-Oder, Germany in 1850, spoke a broken and ancient para-Germanic dialect which the authorities could just barely understand, and claimed to be from the nation of Laxaria in Sakria (no known country by those names exists -- in 'our world'). When he suddenly appeared he seemed disoriented and dumbfounded, as if he had suddenly fallen out of 'another' world.

I'm just curious, because it can make sense that aliens will be different, from different places/planets, and the way we would deal with them would actually be different to aliens with physical attributes to those that are "spiritual/energy".

Thread's gone to hell... oh well. Enjoy yourselves.

Vic

Originally posted by Blackdude
I seriously doubt a human could kill a grey. Were talking about beings that could be thousands or even millions of years ahead of us. What makes people think that greys would even put themselves in a position to be killed by lowly humans? Just because there physical appearance is of small stature dosen't mean that were a match for them. From what I've read, they have very strong telekinetic powers, and thier tech is way beyond anything we have. So it just dosn't seem very realistic to me.

Just because they may be more advanced, does not mean they cant commit errors. Look, it seems that they have been crashing their ships on Earth. Does not seem so advanced to me.

[edit on 1-6-2007 by souls]

Damn Reptilians, I hate 'em.
Slimy B*stards made my wife leave me
and go to her sisters.
Hose 'em with p*ss I say... on their
back-plates, apparently they're sensitive
there.

well, we're dumb enough to get killed by animals inferior to us all the time. So I say Greys can get killed by us hominid apes. A fist from a full grown human will cause their skulls to explode like pumpkins. hell we can do that if our techniques good with human skulls which look much tougher to break than grey heads. Grey necks don't look like they'll old up in a thrashing. and their ribs are a little exposed. Small un reinforced knee joints. another obvious target. How you like going from 3'5" down to 2'1" mr grey.

Pee diddle works on greys who absorb stuff through their skin. here drink this you grey littel freak. I still say put '___' in a jug of water and industrial lye and chuck it at their heads.

But seriously they have to have anti animal attack defesive systems. like maybe a stun ray built into their jumpsuits program to react in microseconds to zap anyhting that lays a hand on said grey. it might be hooked up to their brain so the second the grey it'self feels you takle him the device stuns you. and down you both go.

So it's OK to kill a grey in my book like it's OK to kill anyhting sentient or not that is jepordizing your immediate safety. Not OK if not hurting you or others. However, if you have some inside source and KNOW that the greys are up to no good. than it is your duty to protect the human species and attack the threat. Hive mentality protect the earth hive. attack the grey interlopers.

Not only is it illegal to kill a Grey but it is also unlawful to come in contact with them or their ships or artifacts, and good ol' NASA has the power not only to confine you (indefinitely) they may hold you in quarantine until such time deemed necessary to ensure no adverse "contamination" .

Now, this is an old transcript I had copied in to my documents and unfortunately cannot remember the source but I believe it was legislature passed in the 60's which may or may not still be in affect. It can probably be googled but I'm short on time:

So I'd think twice about dancin' with any grey's.....

1211.100 Title 14 - Aeronautics and Space

Part 1211 - Extra-terrestrial Exposure

1211.100 - Scope

This part establishes:

1. NASA policy, responsibility and authority to guard the Earth against any harmful contamination or adverse changes in its environment resulting from personnel, spacecraft and other property returning to the Earth after landing on or coming within the atmospheric envelope of a celestial body; and
2. security requirements, restrictions and safeguards that are necessary in the interest of national security.

1211.101 - Applicability

The provisions of this part to all NASA manned and unmanned space missions which land or come within the atmospheric envelope of a celestial body and return to the Earth.

1211.102 - Definitions

1. "NASA" and the "Administrator" mean, respectively, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration or his authorized representative.
2. "Extra-terrestrially exposed" means the state of condition of any person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever, who or which has:
1. Touched directly or come within the atmospheric envelope or any other celestial body
2. Touched directly or been in close proximity to (or been exposed indirectly to) any person, property, animal or other form of life or matter who or which has been extra-terrestrially exposed by virtue of paragraph (b)(1) of this section. For example, if person or thing "A" touches the surface of the Moon, and on "A's" return to Earth, "B" touches "A" and, subsequently, "C" touches "B", all of these - "A" through "C" inclusive - would be extra-terrestrially exposed ("A" and "B" directly; "C" indirectly).
3. "Quarantine" means the detention, examination and decontamination of any persons, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever that is extra-terrestrially exposed, and includes the apprehension or seizure of such person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever.
4. "Quarantine period" means a period of consecutive calendar days as may be established in accordance with 1211.104

Administrative actions.

The Administrator or his designee..shall in his discretion:

1.
1. Determine the beginning and duration of a quarantine period with respect to any space mission; the quarantine period as it applies to various life forms will be announced.
2. Designate in writing quarantine officers to exercise quarantine authority.

3. Determine that a particular person, property, animal, or other form of life or matter, whatever is extra-terrestrially exposed and quarantine such person, property, animal, or other form of life or matter whatever. The quarantine may be based only on a determination, with or without the benefit of a hearing, that there is probable cause to believe that such person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever is extra-terrestrially exposed.

4. Determine within the United States or within vessels or vehicles of the United States the place, boundaries, and rules of operation of necessary quarantine stations.
5. Provide for guard services by contract or otherwise, as many be necessary, to maintain security.

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But seriously they have to have anti animal attack defesive systems. like maybe a stun ray built into their jumpsuits program to react in microseconds to zap anyhting that lays a hand on said grey. it might be hooked up to their brain so the second the grey it'self feels you takle him the device stuns you. and down you both go.

If I remember correctly 60 of our best delta force guys were killed in and exchange with greys in Dulce. All 60 Delta ops were killed by "head wounds" ALL 60 OF OUR BEST.....what do you think your gonna do?

If I may use an analogy. I walk my dog every day. He's a parti-colored (black and white) field cocker spaniel (American) and weighs about 37 pounds. He doesn't have a mean bone in his body. Just don't be another dog or cat and get in between him and his food. He doesn't like that for some reason. When we go on our walks we pass by a number of other houses. I've counted and there are about 25 other dogs on our walk. Some of them bark at us as we go by their territory. Some of them are more or less friendly. Some of them would be trouble except they are on an electric fence. I know which ones those are and so does my dog, who will pee on the bushes just to aggravate them (I think.)

But two of the 25 are serious bad news. They don't know where their territory ends. They are about 100 pounds. They are extremely aggressive. Although I rarely see them, when they are out they are also loose. Twice within a week we were attacked by two of these big dogs. Luckily, their owners were in their yards and regained control of the dogs, but it was very tense. My "fight or flight" instinct kicked in and I was very frightened of the situation.

So I got a can of mace and started to carry it around with me. A couple of weeks later one of those dogs attacked again. This time we were between cars parked along side this narrow road. I didn't see him coming. I felt trapped with nowhere to go. I didn't see the owner and didn't have time to look. My dog was scared and I had to reel him in on a short leash and hope he didn't trip me. I held him back as far as I could with my left hand and got the mace in my right hand pointed as far forward as I could go. My dog was pulling at his leash. The other dog had his tail up, his rear end high and front end low. His teeth were barred and we were way too close to each other. Sometimes you can yell at a dog to slow him down, but in my opinion we were way beyond that point.

I maced the dog. Very viscous stuff, not just a pepper spray. I hit him right in the face along his nose and probably his eyes. The dog put his front foot up to try to get it off, but it just smeared more into his fur. That was the end of the dog attack. He disappeared. The owner wasn't very happy about it, but I told him I had the right to defend myself and he was welcome to take me to court where we could settle just who was responsible. He didn't pursue the matter.

But as I thought about it I started to feel bad for the dog. I know he would gladly have killed my dog and injured me, but he is still just a dog defending what he thought was his. I still feel I have the right to defend myself, but that didn't make me any happier because I knew I had hurt that dog, albeit not permanently. So I decided to change my tactics if it ever happened again.

Day before yesterday we were attacked by a big, black lab. He came running at us with his teeth barred. I don't believe I have ever seen this dog before and did not expect to see any dog come from the lot where he was. There's never been a dog there before. I pulled my dog into a short leash, pulled out my mace, and I talked to the dog. I figure if he didn't understand the words, he did understand the sentiment.

"Hey fella," I said. "You gotta stop right now. I don't want to spray you. It hurts like hell. I really don't want to do it, so you have to let us back on out of here and let us go on our way." I'm cocked, aimed, and ready if he steps any closer. I was literally within a second of macing him. One more step closer and the trigger gets pulled. I backed up with my dog. He stood there, but didn't chase after us. We had a way out this time with an open dirt road ahead of us, so we just backed on up and left the dog alone. For whatever reason, he stopped.

So that's how I feel about greys. They may be more powerful than us to the point where there is nothing we could do, but if I found myself in that situation, I'd try to give them a way out first before I launched my defensive attack. I may be wrong about this. Maybe the best thing is to shoot first and ask questions later, but I would like to give them a chance just the same.

[edit on 1-6-2007 by schuyler]

Ok, first off we're talking a life or death situation based on your post.

I personally don't care if it's human/animal/alien... if you threaten my life, I'll kill you, period.

So, is it OK to?
Yes.

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
Not only is it illegal to kill a Grey ...

Where did the 'kill' reference come from? I do not see it in that doument. Are there other US laws that pertain?

If, you knew for a fact they were threatening to harm you, then you have the right to defend yourself, like as if against a human.

However, since they are sentient, I believe they should have the same rights as people, so I don't think killing them for no good reason is ethically sound.

Thats all I have to say.