Amnesty and the NAU

This may explain what is going on.Mexicans,which make up the vast majority of illegal aliens,have a pillage and rape mentality when it comes to the US.
They really believe this country belongs to them.They have no regard for the law.They break many,many laws here.With no repercussion and little if any penalty.No,I repeat,no country on earth allows this insanity.Mexico itself encourages this,and why not.Mexico gets rid of millions of it's citizens,and we take care of them.All these illegals,their proud Mexicans,but they won't live there.Again looking for the US to take care of them.Ever been to a hospital emergency room in a big southern city or LA.
Who is paying for all this,the best health care you can get.We don't owe Mexico anything,in fact we should be sending Mexico the bill for their citizens.But no,the gringo(acceptable to call Americans that by Mexicans)taxpayers are footing that bill too.This amnesty bill will not stop illegals from coming over,it will in fact cause even more to come,once they see how easy it is to be made a citizen.The illegals are treated better than Americans,it will get worse.This amnesty bill gives away citizenship to anything that crawls over the border,what does that make US citizenship worth.How does making 12-20 million illegals citizens benefit anyone,except business.The US is "outsorcing" jobs,yet we "need" these low skill workers.You want a conspiracy here it is special interest groups,representing business collaborating with government to from a north American union.First eliminate borders,see were all one happy family. Take away all firearms,by the way Kennedy did put gun control legislation in the amnesty bill.Now I don't usually buy into the conspiracy thing,and I think the real reason is more about than NAU,but who knows,greed can make people do strange things.Common sense would tell you that these illegals are Mexico's problem,common sense would tell you you don't give citizenship away like candy.Common sense would tell you that people who openly hate you and your country shouldn't be you first choice for citizenship. But it looks like common sense has left the building.

Right out of Pres.Bush's mouth."Addressing one of the most sensitive issues in the measure, Bush expressed hope that the changes would reduce the need for a fence along the border with Mexico." The bill requires the completion of at least 370 miles of fencing, along with other security measures, before any temporary worker program can go into effect.So what is it,reduce the need for a fence(no fence) or a build the fence. What a clear answer. " I presume we’re not going to build a fence on places where people don’t want it." So that means no fence? "show leadership and solve this problem once and for all." Right good job.

Who is going to build your fence? Gringos. I doubt it. When was the last time you saw a white man working in the hot sun for 8 bucks an hour? Who is going to fight your "Long War" in the near future? Be realistic, Mexicans are indigenous to the southwest and nothing you do or say will change that. We have been the scapegoats in this country for years and we keep working hard and staying peaceful. The politicians know that and only offer lip service about building the wall to the xenophobic whites in this country. If you want a wall so bad, join the minutemen and build it yourself. I will watch with a Tecate in one hand and a tight blunt in the other.

My, my, my, aren't we angry. Gudreiguz, your anger blinds you to what is right and what is wrong. Your as racist as anyone ever was.
Why do you live here if you hate whites so much.? In reading your website the truth comes out. You and all your comrades don't give a rats butt about wanting to be American. You want to reclaim land that you lost hundreds of years ago. Your here for the cash just like everyone else. And, you think you are entitled to something just like everyone else.
The same way that Mexico lost Texas(by inviting whites to settle), Mexico will eventually get it back as will it reclaim most of the Southwest. You should be thanking those stupid white liberals who defend you and those greedy corporations who employ you for they are responsible for your success and America's downfall, even though they could care less about you or any other minority. What they are too ignorant to see is that you will turn on them five seconds after you get what it is that you want. The one who sees himself as a victim always becomes worse then his percieved oppressors. Just ask anyone from Russia about the Bolshiveks and the Russian Revolution which led to 70 years of communisum and oppression, the likes of which you will never know. Everybody always thinks they have it worse then anyone else. America is full of victims, but short on people brave enough to do the right thing. You want it, take it all. You can have all the problems too. The debt, crime, racism, terrorism. Take it all baby. Be responsible for it all. I promise you you are not going to like it. I will sit back and be the minority and complain about everything and be angry and blame you for everything, but I doubt you will tolerate me, will you? Your hatred will compel you to laugh as you slaughter your percieved enemies just like the Nazis. You have become what you despise most. Congratulations, you made it!

They are white,black hating racists.Do you get it now when I said most come here with a "rape and pillage attitude" There not here to work,their here to exploit.There own country does not want them.Mexico dumps them on the US,and we stupidly allow it.In this matter,Bush,Kennedy are nothing but traitors. Selling out the hard working,taxpaying American people to special interest.How many Americans die each day because of this third world invasion.Entitlements make up around 70% of the national debt I guarantee,that this amnesty will increase that. Taxpayers are taking a beating,it will get worse.How many Americans must die needlessly. They hate you and the US. Six to 10 strikes and maybe your out. Here is their "hidden" agenda. This is more than a "few",total,total insanity. Americans are in serious troublemIslamic facists wanting to kill or convert us,now this do you really believe this is some kind of a joke.I feel sorry for the young kids,they are the ones who will be dealing with these issues.Obviously our President and senate will not help,hell they are the problem.Look at the writing on the wall,you have been sold out. May GOD help us.

Originally posted by Godruigez
Who is going to build your fence? Gringos. I doubt it. When was the last time you saw a white man working in the hot sun for 8 bucks an hour? Who is going to fight your "Long War" in the near future? Be realistic, Mexicans are indigenous to the southwest and nothing you do or say will change that. We have been the scapegoats in this country for years and we keep working hard and staying peaceful. The politicians know that and only offer lip service about building the wall to the xenophobic whites in this country. If you want a wall so bad, join the minutemen and build it yourself. I will watch with a Tecate in one hand and a tight blunt in the other.

Nice racist comment there "Gringos"

Americans would most certainly build a fence if given a chance at the jobs at a decent wage illegals have depressed wages in this country what paid 12 usd an hour 20 years ago now pays about 6 usd.

Mexicans are NOT native to the southwest the Navajo, Apache, Pueblo, and the Pomo are. Mexican tribes lived much further south.

[edit on 6/1/2007 by DarkStormCrow]

[edit on 6/1/2007 by DarkStormCrow]

Mexico is NOT a poor country. By sending its teeming masses to our country, that status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should the taxpayers of this country subsidize Mexico's corruption?
Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work.33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work.
Illegal aliens are NOT doing work Americans won't do. What jobs won't Americans do? In most states, Americans still clean their own houses, do their own landscaping, clean hotel rooms, work in restaurants and fast food places, paint houses, DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, work in airports, etc. - just like we have the past 200 years before "our" government allowed these people to invade our country. There are 18 million Americans who cannot find a job, so illegal aliens who are coming here to work do so at peril to American workers.
Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents).Some bargain, eh?

The economy does NOT depend on illegal aliens. Sure, greedy CEOs (making $50 to $150 MILLION a year) and business owners depend on illegal aliens, the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and making the rich richer.
Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.
Consumers are NOT benefiting from lower labor costs. Again, it's CEOs and business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Anybody notice the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA?
So, before you believe the prevalent pack of lies perpetuated by the illegal alien lobby, which makes billions off this government-sanctioned criminal activity, ask yourself who's saying this garbage and look at what they have to gain.

Rant mode off thats my view from the nest

[edit on 6/2/2007 by DarkStormCrow]

More criminal,lying,cheating behavior from the illegal invaders.How much will this losers actions cost the taxpayers,all his arrests will be questioned.This illegal alien belongs in prison."just here to work",by breaking every law they can.

IMMIGRATION BILL FAQ

Q. I'm concerned that the immigration bill focuses more on giving illegal immigrants amnesty than border protection. Does the President share these concerns?
A. The President doesn't hate brown people.

Q. This isn't a racial issue. Many people think this bill will only encourage more illegal immigration and leave our borders open and dangerous. What are the answer to these charges?
A. To answer your underlying question, I'm afraid the the President is against your proposal to commit genocide against Hispanics.

Q. This isn't about Hispanics! This is about our laws being respected and our national security!
A. Unfortunately, America has had a long history of closed-minded bigots like you who hate all immigrants and want to keep the nation white and pure. To answer what we can only assume will be your next question, no, jackboots aren't tax deductible, but have fun in your neo-Nazi march anyway.

Q. I'm not against immigrants! Why can't you people understand there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration?! I'm only objecting to the illegal ones!
A. Calm down. It's this frothing at the mouth anger that causes your irrational views on immigration. To answer your other concerns, Hispanics actually have excellent hygiene, are not lazy, and aren't all criminals. Also, there has been no genetic evidence that Hispanics are inferior to the white man. I'd be careful about believing just any pamphlet handed out at your KKK meetings.

Q. With President Bush already having shaky support, do you think it's wise to label people with legitimate concerns about illegal immigration "racists"?
A. Did anyone ever tell you have many blatantly homosexual tendencies?

Q. That's it. I'm leaving the Republican Party.
A. And go where? The Green Party? Yeah, you have fun with that you brown-people hating, Nazi homo. Thanks for the questions!

[edit on 2-6-2007 by rdang]

I am about as racist as anyone else here on these boards. We as humans depend on our tribal instincts to survive. Survival of the fittest. Watch the lions on PBS and see that passing on your genes is the most important thing in survival. If you take a look at who is breeding and who is taking advantage of government handouts you will see it is the Chicano and the Mexican. Are we hurting American society in doing so? Maybe. Are we increasing our chances of survival in this hemisphere, sure. What you folks call a gang, I call familia. What you call welfare, I call free food and money. Poverty is something real in America and we live it everyday and don't complain. We just work, get welfare and partake in your good ole American capitalism by selling products such as weapons and drugs. Are we evil for doing so? I'd say we are as evil as you if thats what you want to call it. White folks have been conquering lands for a long time all over the globe. Is it right? It doesn't matter. It is just survival. Call me all the names you want. The fact remains that we are not leaving and we will continue to multiply. We can all get along if you just accept that fact.

Originally posted by Godruigez
Who is going to build your fence? Gringos. I doubt it. When was the last time you saw a white man working in the hot sun for 8 bucks an hour? Who is going to fight your "Long War" in the near future? Be realistic, Mexicans are indigenous to the southwest and nothing you do or say will change that. We have been the scapegoats in this country for years and we keep working hard and staying peaceful. The politicians know that and only offer lip service about building the wall to the xenophobic whites in this country. If you want a wall so bad, join the minutemen and build it yourself. I will watch with a Tecate in one hand and a tight blunt in the other.

This is the most retarded thing I ever heard.
I bet you don't have your green card.
I see your so called "gringos" doing work like that all the time.

The problem is big business and contracters have the option right now to get cheap labor from illegals, and if illegals were gone, they would not have that option anymore. They would have to advertise employment. (something they don't do if they have said option).
Which would result in more jobs for the people that deserve them.

I'm sick to death of having to pay taxes so illegals can have a better life. What about mine and other Americans lives. Tax dollars should benefit the ones who pay them, but instead provide illegals free health care and education. At the same time me and others in this country that pay taxes, work full time, and attend school full time are denied federal aid and health care. WTF?

It's so obvious it makes me sick, and I can't understand how this is even a debate.

Originally posted by Termite197

Originally posted by Godruigez
Who is going to build your fence? Gringos. I doubt it. When was the last time you saw a white man working in the hot sun for 8 bucks an hour? Who is going to fight your "Long War" in the near future? Be realistic, Mexicans are indigenous to the southwest and nothing you do or say will change that. We have been the scapegoats in this country for years and we keep working hard and staying peaceful. The politicians know that and only offer lip service about building the wall to the xenophobic whites in this country. If you want a wall so bad, join the minutemen and build it yourself. I will watch with a Tecate in one hand and a tight blunt in the other.

This is the most retarded thing I ever heard.
I bet you don't have your green card.
I see your so called "gringos" doing work like that all the time.



[edit on 2-6-2007 by Godruigez]

I am a third generation American/Chicano. My grandfather proudly fought in the Normandy invasion and my other grandfather proudly swam across the Rio Grande to seek a better life for his family. You would think that my "American" grandfather got treated better in this society than my Mexican grandfather but he didn't. We have been second class citizens in this country for a long time but the times are changing. Lets all be honest and admit that this issue is not about Illegal immigration. It is about Mexicans and our influence on this culture. Do you like lowriders, burritos, or Eva Longoria? If not, get used to it.

Originally posted by Godruigez
I am a third generation American/Chicano. My grandfather proudly fought in the Normandy invasion and my other grandfather proudly swam across the Rio Grande to seek a better life for his family. You would think that my "American" grandfather got treated better in this society than my Mexican grandfather but he didn't. We have been second class citizens in this country for a long time but the times are changing. Lets all be honest and admit that this issue is not about Illegal immigration. It is about Mexicans and our influence on this culture. Do you like lowriders, burritos, or Eva Longoria? If not, get used to it.

Since you are 3rd generation it seems that you would want to keep the country you live in from turning into another failed socialist cesspool.
Your grandfather that fought in Normandy do you think he wants an Elite at the top controlling everything with the rest of the population living in shantytowns like is the case in many areas of Mexico. Your grandfather that crossed the Rio Grande you think he came here to build another Mexico he came here because Mexico is a socialist disaster. For you it is about race and getting back at the "Gringos" not realizing you will never get back at the "Gringos" responsible. The folks illegal immigration hurts is the working middle class. Do you think that if your job is safe because you are Mexican.If your making 12 usd/hour for example and an Employer figures he can get an Illegal to do the same job for 8usd/hour, you think your being Mexican is gonna save your job?

It's not about race.There is no such thing as Race. Any intelligent person knows that there is only one race, the Human race. It's about culture. Don't speak for my grandparents. You know nothing of their struggles. As far as me working for a lower wage, I am feeling the pain. I have always gotten a lower wage than white people. I'm used to it. Nothing new. You are the ones that have to get used to lower wages. Don't blame Mexicans. Blame your employers.

For me it is not about race its about what form of Government we have in the US, I dont want a solidified one party state and I dont want socialism.
If you are working for a company were you feel you are being given lesser wages because of your race or culture then you need to file a complaint by whatever processes are availiable to you. I do blame the employers and the politicians. If you want to make lesser wages than you are making now let unchecked immigration continue.
You think your culture are the only ones to have been discriminated against, Irish, Italians, Germans, Scots, Poles, Chinese, everyone got the short end of the stick when they immigrated into the United States and Africans got treated the worst of all.

Most white Americans arent "Anglos" by the way they are Germans.

i would just like to state, for the record, that i believe a border fence is probably the most painful ridiculous idea that anyone has ever conceived as even part of a solution to illegal immigration.

how about we attack the CAUSES of immigration? if we make central and south america more prosperous it'll increase trade revenues and these people won't need to come to us for work. it's the least we can do considering how the entire area got screwed over primarily due to our exploitation... and mexico never really rebounded from us taking half of their country.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i would just like to state, for the record, that i believe a border fence is probably the most painful ridiculous idea that anyone has ever conceived as even part of a solution to illegal immigration.

how about we attack the CAUSES of immigration?

As far as the fence goes, we need something to control access to this nation.

Well we need to attack crime and the welfare state, that should do nicely.

Roper

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i would just like to state, for the record, that i believe a border fence is probably the most painful ridiculous idea that anyone has ever conceived as even part of a solution to illegal immigration.

how about we attack the CAUSES of immigration? if we make central and south america more prosperous it'll increase trade revenues and these people won't need to come to us for work. it's the least we can do considering how the entire area got screwed over primarily due to our exploitation... and mexico never really rebounded from us taking half of their country.

The most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. "if we make central and south america more prosperous" What.. It is not absolutely not the responsibility of the US to make another country "more prosperous". It's the responsibility of that conutry.What are you saying the US should subsidize every country in the world.The causes of this invasion is these countrys could care less about them,so they encourage them to invade the US,where the stupid liberals welcome them as saints. And the poor taxpayers are forced to subsidize them.Increased crime,lower wages are just some of the results. I can see from your posts that anything that benefits the USA you seem to be against,if you hate the US so much make it easy on yourself and leave,please.

Illegal criminals set US policy.McCain is willing to surrender to the illegal alien criminals,avoid "problems" ""In case you hadn't noticed, the thousands of people who have been relegated to ghettos have risen up and burned cars in France," McCain replied. "They've got huge problems in France. They have tremendous problems. The police can't even go into certain areas in the suburbs of Paris. I don't want that in the suburbs of America."Sorry that's already happening.This is what happens when laws are ignored.So now it is mob rule So,the only option is complete surrender to them.The traitorous scum have let this problem grow so large,that we must surrender,give in to their demands. "Immigration is a pretty widespread issue,"Why is that,could it be our spineless politicians have let it grow into this mess? McCain, along with Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., recently proposed a new immigration bill. This amnesy bill gives the illegal criminals want they want. Perhaps the real lesson of the French experience is that citizenship doesn’t guarantee assimilation. Perhaps it’s the idea that if you doubt your ability to assimilate people culturally, be sure you can control how many of them are coming in.When the proposed bill was unveiled a couple of weeks ago somebody asked what the government would do if the illegals didn’t choose to come forward and sign up and pay their fine, etc. Chertoff (or Jerkoff) or whatever his name is answered that they would round them up and deport them. What? You just said it couldn’t be done.McCain is PREDICTING that the illegal aliens will riot, if we don’t give the illegal aliens amnesty.The premise is that it is impossible to deport all the aliens, doesn’t that mean you have already granted defacto amnesty?