Australian pub bars heterosexuals

Originally posted by intrepid
This has me seriously wondering a few things. 1- In a gay relationship is sodomy always practiced? I don't know. Maybe not.

No. It might be TMI but I have been with my boyfriend for 6 years now and we have NEVER had anal sex.

2- Why do people always assume this to be the case?

Because it is the most explicit and discusting thing people can equate homosexuality to, so they do it to demean us.

Just MO.

I don't get it. I still don't see the point of banning heterosexuals from a bar. If they want to be equal why must they keep it segregated and/or bar a specific group? What is this, the rising of heterophobia?

Although I am argueing for this ban, I personally agree with the above post and previous posters (most...not the homophobic ones). It is a slippery slope that I think will backfire. But, I'll still argue for the owner's right to do it.

I have one question.

Who cares?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I have one question.

Who cares?

Not me that is for sure.

I do however have a suggstion. Lets find a owner down under who is willing to Ban all Gays.

I think most if not all know who will be the very first to complain don"t we???

last time i checked... any privated business could bar anyone it wanted from patronizing it for any reason they wanted, did that suddenly change?

This seems fine to me, however that comes with 1 caveat.

There needs to be the ability to be establishments where homosexuals are banned, if someone wants to set that up that is.

Other than that, it seems to be no big deal to me. I'd love more of that type of freedom in America (which is the way it's supposed to be, but alas, it's not).

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
last time i checked... any privated business could bar anyone it wanted from patronizing it for any reason they wanted, did that suddenly change?

I think that is true but they heed to have a very good reason due to all of the political correctness going on with equal rights/civil rights amendments. in the UK this may have passed not sure it was due for April 1 2007

In February, the Equality Act (2006) was passed by Parliament. The Act gives the Government powers to introduce regulations outlawing discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation in regards to access to goods, facilities and services (GFS). This means that service providers from hotels to GPs, shops to local authorities cannot refuse to serve LGB people or offer them a service of lesser quality than that provided to heterosexuals. The SouthWest LGB Network held a regional consultation event on 25th May. Read ESW response to Government GFS response. ESW.
Source

I have also heard of lawsuits made against landlords based on sexual discrimination but do not know just how acurate those reports are.

If it is a private club, then it certainly has the right to allow mwmbership to whom it so desires, but we are left with my original question, which I will alter a bit, Why should anyone care?

[edit on 2007/5/30 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by shots
I have also heard of lawsuits made against landlords based on sexual discrimination but do not know just how acurate those reports are.

That's because of equal housing laws. Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

What about strip clubs they will not let anyone but perverts in .... Why isn't anyone fighting this ???

Oh ,,, Oh .... never mind ... that is because only perverts would wanna go watch girls/men get naked.

Here in the US, bars are considered "public accomodations" like hotels and restaurants, and are covered by any local anti-discrimination laws.

Originally posted by xmotex
Here in the US, bars are considered "public accomodations" like hotels and restaurants, and are covered by any local anti-discrimination laws.

Are you sure about that? How can a bar cut you off then? Or ban you? I'm not argueing with you because I don't know the answers myself.

Originally posted by Griff
That's because of equal housing laws. Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Those laws sure have something to do with this. This article is based on an alleged discrimination is it not? And civil rights laws deal with these type of incidents do they not?


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Grady I think the ones who care are those who are against the life style because of their religious belief's. I.e. Muslims are said to be very much against a gay life style. I know Catholics are also said to be very anti gaybexcause the bible says it is wrong.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by xmotex
Here in the US, bars are considered "public accommodations" like hotels and restaurants, and are covered by any local anti-discrimination laws.

Are you sure about that? How can a bar cut you off then? Or ban you? I'm not argueing with you because I don't know the answers myself.

I would imagine for any other reason bar your sex, race, or sexual orientation. For example, being pissed as a fart, fighting, harassing other patrons. That sort of thing. Same thing here in the UK. Pubs are Public Houses (hence the name) and everyone can go in, but how long you stay in there is dependent on how you conduct yourself.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by xmotex
Here in the US, bars are considered "public accomodations" like hotels and restaurants, and are covered by any local anti-discrimination laws.

Are you sure about that? How can a bar cut you off then? Or ban you? I'm not argueing with you because I don't know the answers myself.

I think over here bars reserve the right to let whoever they want in. I think maybe they have to have a sign saying it or something, i'm not sure.

But if it was clear that they were just turning down anyone that appeared gay i'm sure there would be a lot of questions asked and a bit of trouble.

Originally posted by malganis
But if it was clear that they were just turning down anyone that appeared gay i'm sure there would be a lot of questions asked and a bit of trouble.

Try reading the source article again and understand it. They are not turning down gays they banned hetrosexuals, big differance.

Source Article

Sorry in advvance if I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

[edit on 5/30/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots
Try reading the source article again and understand it. They are not turning down gays they banned hetrosexuals, big differance.

Let's analys this. You say turning down gays (which is a slick way of saying banned) and then say ban heterosexuals. Gee I guess turning down gays is NOT banning them? But turning down heterosexuals IS banning them? Hum....double standard maybe?

Originally posted by shots


Try reading the source article again and understand it. They are not turning down gays they banned hetrosexuals, big differance.

Sorry in advvance if I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

No I was just responding to the comment that I quoted above, about bars reserving the right to let whoever they want in. So there's a very blurred line between knowing if someone is just reserving the right to turn people down or if they are being discriminative towards their sexuality and it can lead to trouble from different groups.

But this Aussie guy isn't just doing on the sly, he's actually stated that he's being discriminative. And I wouldn't think that would be allowed in this day and age.

Originally posted by Griff
Let's analys this. You say turning down gays (which is a slick way of saying banned) and then say ban heterosexuals. Gee I guess turning down gays is NOT banning them? But turning down heterosexuals IS banning them? Hum....double standard maybe?

There is no double standard you are just trying to twist the wording somewhat. I used the same word malganis did in responding to his post

Here for your clarrification

Originally posted by malganis [/1]
But if it was clear that they were just turning down anyone that appeared gay i'm sure there would be a lot of questions asked and a bit of trouble.

To which I answered

originally posted by Shots
They are not turning down gays they banned hetrosexuals, big differance.

Now as you can see I was only using the same words (tuned down) malganis used

even if I did use it according to kw "define turn down" on google you get

reject: refuse entrance or membership; "They turned away hundreds of fans"; "Black people were often rejected by country clubs"

differant words again but according to my trusty Ameri8can Heritage they all can be used in its place

(v.) To set apart or remove (from a group):
• segregate
• ostracize
• banish
• bar
• cloister (US)
• cut off
• debar
• discriminate
• disjoin
• eject



Source American Heritage Dictionary

Edited dictionary list as it was just wasting ATS bandwinth the primary words are still there

[edit on 5/31/2007 by shots]