You are American.

I hope that soon the American people, and government, and congress, wake up and realise a very important fact. Sure, you may be Republican. You may be a Democrat. You may even be Indepedent. But above all, you are American. How can we hope to wage wars on foreign land if we cannot stop the battle on our own ground? The answer is, simple, we can't. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, (soon Iran). The U.S. hasn't won a war since the last great one, and we needed to have a majority of our Pacific fleet bombed to get the lead out of our asses and get in gear.


American Public, if we fight ourselves, nobody wins. I'm not asking for a Mel Gibson movie with a happy ending, I'm just asking for someone to stand up, because your government would be happy to sell your safety to some foreign country.


Sincerely,

Yes, and that has killed us in the past because Nam was, should have been, a police act but, it was drug out and nobody supported it. Even became openly against it.
Here's a question, How would that make you feel? being over there dealing with this resistance and, all of a sudden your country is against you being over there? Since then nothing has really changed, I mean more and more of our own contry can't, or don't want to support our soldiers.
Whether you agree or not with the way Bush has handled some things, I believe he has done a good job even through people against him, against this war, and everything else. That is a whole other topic though, I believe we should take that stand with our President. Show the world that we will back our President even if we lose. At least we would show that we could stick together. Isn't that being American? Or have I fooled myself?

God Bless

Originally posted by followerofchrist
Yes, and that has killed us in the past because Nam was, should have been, a police act but, it was drug out and nobody supported it. Even became openly against it.

it was also a war built on false premises... and a war that could have been prevented if we had supported ho chi minh when he was merely a guy that wanted independence from the french....

Here's a question, How would that make you feel? being over there dealing with this resistance and, all of a sudden your country is against you being over there?

relieved that i might get my butt taken out of there

Since then nothing has really changed, I mean more and more of our own contry can't, or don't want to support our soldiers.

no, they don't want to support the war
don't confuse the war with the warrior

Whether you agree or not with the way Bush has handled some things, I believe he has done a good job even through people against him, against this war, and everything else.

like his repetitive tactics? insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

That is a whole other topic though, I believe we should take that stand with our President.

why? for the hell of it? are we going to reward loyalty of competance now?

Show the world that we will back our President even if we lose.

you mean, even if HE loses. this isn't my war.

At least we would show that we could stick together. Isn't that being American? Or have I fooled myself?

you have. being an american isn't about unity, it's about diversity. it's about having a crapload of different voices all shouting out with different ideas and taking the best ones and putting them together. it's about QUESTIONING above all else. that's why we founded this country, because we wouldn't just stick by the leader.

God Bless

oh, and secularism is american too


e pluribus unum

I do agree on your first answer. Even still though we could have gone in and out and it would have been done with. We had alot to our advantage, Except when people are selling our enemies some of our own helicopters and what-not over the black market it makes it hard to do what I said, to go in and out that quick.

As for My questions I asked, you would feel relieved? but, how does that answer the last part of my question? when you realize your own country is against the war...as far as protesting, that your own country is divided?

This one I understand, I view the democrats as not wanting to support our soldiers when they are trying to get them out of there. I also understand where you are saying that they are not wanting to support the war.

No matter if you voted for or against him, he is in office ( It doesn't matter how long he has laft either ) I understand we should not blindly follow someone but, Live with the decision that he is in office there is nothing we can do about it untill election time.

What I meant here was, the way we are acting we are divided, now a nation divided against itself will surely fall, therefore do you not think it best that we be unified? we are the UNITED States of America, not the Divided States of America. I realize we have many voices and we all want to stand on our soapbox and tell it like it is but, showing the world that we can't support who we voted in looks worse than supporting him.

But, in the end you will ultimity see things how you see them, and you will have an answer to yet even this post, I just hope though my point got across a little clearer this time.

I do like your wise crack to how I have ended nearly every post though,

God Bless

Originally posted by followerofchrist
As for My questions I asked, you would feel relieved? but, how does that answer the last part of my question? when you realize your own country is against the war...as far as protesting, that your own country is divided?

of courses i'd be relieved. democracy would be working! and again, i'd be relieved that i would be put into a situation where i was less likely to get shot by an AK.

protesting is what made this country great... starting way back when with all those demonstrations... the most famous being that grand ol' teaparty.

This one I understand, I view the democrats as not wanting to support our soldiers when they are trying to get them out of there. I also understand where you are saying that they are not wanting to support the war.

and they want to support the soldiers by making sure they get teh F out of their before the get a bullet in their rear.

No matter if you voted for or against him, he is in office ( It doesn't matter how long he has laft either ) I understand we should not blindly follow someone but, Live with the decision that he is in office there is nothing we can do about it untill election time.

actually.... yes there is. all the way from checks and balances to open revolution.

What I meant here was, the way we are acting we are divided, now a nation divided against itself will surely fall, therefore do you not think it best that we be unified?

a conservative quoting a liberal in defense of a conservative viewpoint... how cute...

i'd rather be divided than unified behind incompetence.

we are the UNITED States of America, not the Divided States of America.

and yet we're still a system of government that actually considers a state as a semi-autonomous entity.

I realize we have many voices and we all want to stand on our soapbox and tell it like it is but, showing the world that we can't support who we voted in looks worse than supporting him.

no, it doesn't. it shows the world that we realize we made a HUGE mistake. humility trumps pride.

But, in the end you will ultimity see things how you see them, and you will have an answer to yet even this post, I just hope though my point got across a little clearer this time.

you did... and i still completely disagree with it, being united is pointless when we have a fool to rally behind

I do like your wise crack to how I have ended nearly every post though,

the motto of our nation is far from a wisecrack.

Demonstrations were great like that, personally though when people were demonstrating against the vietnam war, In my opinion at that time we had gotten ourselves too deep to get ourselves out, was just ridiculous.

I don't think anyone wants to get shot, and to get our troops out of their would be great but, what happens when those we are fighting in Iraq, come over here so bold as to fight us over here? what then? would you be for the war then?

no, it doesn't. it shows the world that we realize we made a HUGE mistake. humility trumps pride.

A huge mistake that we all could agree with not be divided over, If we get divided over issues like Smoking or, the Death Penalty, or Abortion, or Homosexuals, etc..., The enemy is probably laughing at us going, " How do they expect to catch us when they can't agree on anything. "

you did... and i still completely disagree with it, being united is pointless when we have a fool to rally behind

So who would yo rally behind? just curious...Hillary?, Obama?, Rudy?, McCain?, Gore?...who? Personally I liked Ross Perot way back when he was runnin.

God Bless

Originally posted by followerofchrist
I don't think anyone wants to get shot, and to get our troops out of their would be great but, what happens when those we are fighting in Iraq, come over here so bold as to fight us over here? what then? would you be for the war then?

nobody in iraq is fighting us just to fight the united states.... scratch that... 200 people in iraq are fighting us there just to fight the USA, that's al qaeda. most of the people killing americans are only doing that because americans are over there.

did americans decide to go over to britain and start killing them after britain gave up in the revolutionary war?

A huge mistake that we all could agree with not be divided over, If we get divided over issues like Smoking or, the Death Penalty, or Abortion, or Homosexuals, etc..., The enemy is probably laughing at us going, " How do they expect to catch us when they can't agree on anything. "

are you familiar with how democracy works? it's never absolute, there are always squabbles. screw what the enemy thinks, i don't want to stop living freely because it might make us look weak, because it won't. it'll show that we're free, that we're living unaffected by those that would affect us.

So who would yo rally behind? just curious...Hillary?, Obama?, Rudy?, McCain?, Gore?...who? Personally I liked Ross Perot way back when he was runnin.

well, i'm just saying the current guy is nobody to rally behind. i'm not espousing anyone yet. i haven't decided on who i want to support. obama seems nice and idealistic... i like that. gore... isn't even involved, his name shouldn't be brought up. hillary is strong, but too much the politician, like mccain and rudy.

Isn't Rudy pro gay, pro choice, pro everything else? I'm iffy on McCain, I don't like Hillary, and Obama I don't like either. Whos the independent? or third party?

The only reson I threw Gore into the picture was just to see if you thought Gore would have done a better Job? I mean, In my opinion, I don't think he would have, especially during 9/11.

God Bless

Originally posted by followerofchrist
Isn't Rudy pro gay, pro choice, pro everything else?

he's pro-whatever-gets-him-votes

I'm iffy on McCain, I don't like Hillary, and Obama I don't like either. Whos the independent? or third party?

you'd have to be a major idealist to even attempt to support a third party who hasn't even revealed themselves at this point.

The only reson I threw Gore into the picture was just to see if you thought Gore would have done a better Job? I mean, In my opinion, I don't think he would have, especially during 9/11.

honestly, i have absolutely no clue what type of job he'd do and neither do you.... but any monkey in a suit could have rallied america after 9/11 because we were united by such a traumatic tragedy.

Well I wouldn't be so sure about that but, I will admit we were united and it was nice to see, it is sad though that it takes something like that to make us unite. Why can't we unite on other things like that? is that a question that is to hard to ask?

As far Idealist? I don't think so, I mean nobody is really jumpin out at me this time around like the last two times.

I do know I am not voting for Rudy, The only time I liked him was during 9/11 as the mayor, after that he went down hill and quick.

Now here's a question for you, What would you do if you were President? Instead of Bush?

God Bless

Originally posted by followerofchrist
Well I wouldn't be so sure about that but, I will admit we were united and it was nice to see, it is sad though that it takes something like that to make us unite. Why can't we unite on other things like that? is that a question that is to hard to ask?

well, on political issues it seems we're never united... that's kind of what makes us a democracy.

Now here's a question for you, What would you do if you were President? Instead of Bush?

-universal healthcare
-stop giving the wealthy special treatment
-phase troops out of iraq while building self-sufficiency and hand that situation over to a multinational effort, then send those troops into afghanistan
-set fuel efficiency standards, and incentives for those that go above and beyond
-work to lower emissions levels
-more public transport
-eradicate the electoral college
-i'd make psychological evaluations mandatory for those attempting to purchase a firearm
-once the situation in afghanistan was resolved i'd push to cut military spending and invest that money in education
-work on repairing the public image of the USA
-get god off of our money
-get god out of the pledge
-ensure our rights to speech, assembly, and a free press
-ensure freedom of and from religion

just to name a bit

Originally posted by soultorent
I hope that soon the American people, and government, and congress, wake up and realise a very important fact. Sure, you may be Republican. You may be a Democrat. You may even be Indepedent. But above all, you are American. ...we cannot stop the battle on our own ground? ..if we fight ourselves, nobody wins. ...

I think there is a subtle but important differance in American politics since the 60's. I think before Vietnam it seemed like we all, as Americans, had differant agendas for reaching similar goals. Since then there has been a huge push to change exactly what goals should be reached for.

The left is fighting for a completely different future than the right is. There isn't anything to agree about between them except maybe as sports fans...

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by followerofchrist
Well I wouldn't be so sure about that but, I will admit we were united and it was nice to see, it is sad though that it takes something like that to make us unite. Why can't we unite on other things like that? is that a question that is to hard to ask?

well, on political issues it seems we're never united... that's kind of what makes us a democracy.

Now here's a question for you, What would you do if you were President? Instead of Bush?

-universal healthcare
-stop giving the wealthy special treatment
-phase troops out of iraq while building self-sufficiency and hand that situation over to a multinational effort, then send those troops into afghanistan
-set fuel efficiency standards, and incentives for those that go above and beyond
-work to lower emissions levels
-more public transport
-eradicate the electoral college
-i'd make psychological evaluations mandatory for those attempting to purchase a firearm
-once the situation in afghanistan was resolved i'd push to cut military spending and invest that money in education
-work on repairing the public image of the USA
-get god off of our money
-get god out of the pledge
-ensure our rights to speech, assembly, and a free press
-ensure freedom of and from religion

just to name a bit

your top priority should be securing the border 100% since we live in the ' age of terror '.

universal healthcare? can you say big government bureaucracy? why do you want bigger government? do you know our government is 59 trillion in the hole ( that's the new number ) due to liabilities over the next 50 years?you're just another big government money grubber.

get in touch with reality dude, we need someone in washington to gut the federal government and spending not expand it. how do you plan to fund all of your propositions? let me guess.. an INCOME TAX?