We are the Aliens

Building on what the poster above me said, if earth was, at some point in it's history, a host to a number of highly technologically advanced groups of humans (there IS some geological evidence that it was, See: Baghdad battery, etc), then it would take some kind of a major cataclysm to end that technological golden age and send us all back to living in caves. short of a global nuclear holocaust, what could cause a complete abandonment of advanced technology?

Originally posted by JackofBlades


Why would we eventually have lost our technology? Supposing our ship did break up the minds of everyone onboard would be intact, Earth has a readily available source of materials so there would be no way we would 'lose' our technology. It would remain, albeit it would probably have differed in its manufacturing.
There is absolutely no record of primitive humanity using anything more advanced than expert hunting tactics.

Ok for example take one hundred people, scientist or whatever. Strand them somewhere. They will become primitive, and it wont take long. They lose all the factories and manufacturers.
Do you think they are going to just walk in a jungle and get a new processor or battery? No they will have to start all over and that doesnt happen overnite.
Yes they will try and pass down there knowledge but it will fade away quick.

Originally posted by Nick Nightstalker


..... I have a very hard time thinking that life forms on two separate, distanced planets would evolve in such strikingly similar ways, so much so that we could 'mistake' the native creatures here for our ancestors.

Why not? If another water-oxygen based planet existed like ours its very possible.

They have yet to find the missing link as far as I know, maybe there isnt one.

Originally posted by earth2

Ok for example take one hundred people, scientist or whatever. Strand them somewhere. They will become primitive, and it wont take long. They lose all the factories and manufacturers.
Do you think they are going to just walk in a jungle and get a new processor or battery? No they will have to start all over and that doesnt happen overnite.
Yes they will try and pass down there knowledge but it will fade away quick.

Dude... Gilligan's Island! the scientist would just make new everything out of coconuts.

Seriously though, If they brought technology WITH them (as these supposed 'alien humans' would if they were on a deep space mission with their ship), they wouldn't have a problem establishing a new society. and any species this advanced would have detailed written records of some kind of their technology. I can't picture any scenario aside from a massive disaster that destroyed every bit of their technology, or perhaps made them shun it completely, that would turn a space-faring civilization into a bunch of animal-skin-wearing hunter-gatherers living in caves, with their most detailed records being drawings on the wall.

Originally posted by Nick Nightstalker

Seriously though, If they brought technology WITH them (as these supposed 'alien humans' would if they were on a deep space mission with their ship), they wouldn't have a problem establishing a new society. and any species this advanced would have detailed written records of some kind of their technology. I can't picture any scenario aside from a massive disaster that destroyed every bit of their technology, or perhaps made them shun it completely, that would turn a space-faring civilization into a bunch of animal-skin-wearing hunter-gatherers living in caves, with their most detailed records being drawings on the wall.

Yes I understand, however you forget about how many people it takes to industrialize. You cant replace the ship parts without the factories building them.
Do you know what it would take to reproduce a computer in the middle of a new world, a hundred or more different factories.
How are they going to do that? They would eventually have to focus on survival not handing down technology information to there offspring.
Who probably wouldn't understand because there are no computers or whatever.
And yes they would have to wear animal skin. There would be no clothing stores. How long would any clothing last?
Survival comes first then technology.

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hmmm...earth2 my problem with your logic is this: say these people really did come here and even crash landed. well first off they are capable of traveling vast interstellar distances, something we currently cannot do, secondly their communications capabilities would have to keep up with that, something we also cannot currently do. so even though they've "crashed", which in itself would be highly unlikely with that advanced level of technology, they would still be able to salvage much of the material from their ship,or ships. i believe it would be highly unlikely that they would not be able to rig together a new, or fix up a damaged, communications device and call for help. besides that, someone would have come looking for them. there are too many scenarios where they would have been rescued long long ago. also, survival doesn't equate with loss of knowledge . plenty of people get into survival situations and don't forget everything they've come to learn about the modern day, in fact it's the contrary, time and again there are stories where those in survival situations use their knowledge of technology past and present to make or do things they need to stay alive and get help.
interstellar travel is no small feat, to imagine that they would have had to survive and lost all their advanced knowledge and no other ships came to rescue them is ....at best an unfounded idea. one need only look to reports of similar situations today to see that no one is lost without some search, and that's us...our technology...imagine a species able to traverse between the stars....i seriously doubt to the point of total disbelief that the situation you describe would ever happen to such advanced a civilization.

just my opinion

Interesting idea. Coupla points.

1. We didn't evolve somewhere else. There is ample fossil and dna evidence to take us back to Homo Erectus easily, if not further. we're 99.44% chimp DNA. We may have been 'tweaked" ala 2001; Space Odyssey, but it's pretty certain we are a product of Earth's evolution.

2. That doesn't mean someone else did not get here, too.

3. Previous civilizations almost certainly existed. The evidence is there, too. It probably wasn't at our "level" but could easily have gotten to Renaissance level. Atlantis? Eh? But the point remains.

4. A likely scenario. 12,000 years ago we were coming off an ice age (Global warming, anyone?) Hudson's Bay was originally a meteor/asteroid strike. It was frozen. As it warmed up, the periphery served as an ice dam. Anybody seen Lk. Michigan in Winter, you know what I mean. It warmed up. The dam broke. A few hours later the sea level rose from 50-100 feet. So much for coastal civilizations, such as in India, where the legend persists. Origin of the flood stories.

No need for UFOs to explain this. No need for God. It was just global warming that knocked civilization from circa 1500 back down the pole a bit. This theory fits the facts as we know them. Look at some of the Graham Hancock writings on this subject.

Yes im sure they would have made attempts at calling for help. But what if the flux capacitor (lol) was out of energy.
They could have been a bold crew searching the galaxy for life so a rescue may have been out of the question considering how big the universe is.

Its possible.

It sounds like we are attributing awfully human attributes to an alien race advanced enough to travel faster than light. I have to assume that if they had that kind of technology, they:

1) Wouldn't crash land in the first place, but accidents happen I guess...
2) Would have not have had 99.44% similarity with chimp DNA.
3) There would be some REALLY strange and advanced stuff laying around even today. And no, the pyramids aren't strange enough.

What about the giant pictures on the ground in western u.s.
They could have been calling for help. They can only be seen from high in the air. Thats strange. All the weird ancient alien pics and writings. There are a lot of strange ancient alien stuff around just look.

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Still, it seems kinda far-fetched that a race that had the immense technology that allowed them to travel here faster than the speed of light, would resort to ground designs and carvings to call for help...

Originally posted by earth2
What about the giant pictures on the ground in western u.s.
They could have been calling for help. They can only be seen from high in the air. Thats strange. All the weird ancient alien pics and writings. There are a lot of strange ancient alien stuff around just look.

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yes, but almost all of these 'ancient-alien' sources depict the aliens as being very different from us both physically and intellectually. the records all say things along the lines of 'THEY' came from the sky to visit 'US'.

if you can find any ancient writings or etchings or stone-carvings that seem to indicate that WE are the ones from space, then I'd love to see them.

Seriously now, is it reasonable to believe that an alien race that possessed the technical expertise to get to Earth in the first place, would crash, and then be so far down crap creek, that they would have to resort to large land drawings?

It's the equivalent of someone getting their yacht stuck on a deserted island, then dragging logs to spell 'HELP ME' in the sand, when they could have just used the yacht's satellite phone...

exactly my point seeker. throughout our history when expeditions have been mounted for exploration and the expedition has disapeared....well someone has almost always gone looking for them. i'm pretty sure that not only would they have the advanced communications i already suggested, but that ships looking for them would be able to scan whole planets for the metals and artificial materials that make up the ship, as surely they would be unique signatures. and as was said before, the OP is giving these aliens human intentions. we have to be prepared for the idea that alien life may be so unlike us in mentality as to be unrecognizable. we may never be able to understand or communicate with any alien intelligences we may find in the galaxy or the rest of the universe for that one reason. i really thing that humanity being an alien species is a total shot in the dark and really has no merit to it.
even if life evolved similarly on another planet there would be key differences in body chemistry and dna. it almost definitely would not be compatable for reproduction and if it were the offspring i believe would be sterile as mention by another poster.
this isn't to say that i don't believe in alien life, i do most definitely, but we aren't it.

Although I can't find a link, wasn't it discovered that cavemen had one less cromosome than we do now??

What, did we just grow an extra one? NO.
Think about the Myans, here one day, gone the next.
We may or may not be actual aliens ourselves but I certainly think there's chance we have been altered and edited throughout history.

Maybe this planet was manufactured for us, while it was readying itself for us, life found it's own way (dinosaurs and other creatures) then bang, bye bye dino's, hello beginnings of human life.

Sorry if this all seems crazy, but I've read alot of things about how Aliens use us a containers for our souls...

Why would they have to crash?

Isn't it possible (plausible another question), that little green men came to earth to take resources. To warrant such a long trip they'd want to be taking alot of stuff. They'd need workers.

Alien workers would be not that bad of an idea but you need alot of spacesuits, their oxygen equivalent etc. They come here, see monkeys are pretty well suited for remedial tasks if only they were a little smarter.

They make monkeys smarter, feed them with all this god talk and control them to harvest whatever they're harvesting.

Finally they get what they need and get up and go to ravage another planet, leaving these smart monkeys to themselves.

This theory doesn't effect any pre-human evolution, but does create the missing link. Of course it does leave us smart monkeys waiting for a god that will never return.

I'm a big fan of Erich Von Daniken.

LOOK AT US

we dont look like anything on this planet
iv been home sick from school for the last few days and i was looking out the window, after reading this post and i thought

look at the way we abouse everything we get

look at our houses they dont look like there suposed to be there, or dont look natural

we dont look like we were made for this planet

if there are billions of stars in this galixiy and billions of galixiys
(think you get were im going)

were not alone there IS other life

there has to be a reason there not coming to us

and chances are they know about us

Originally posted by DeadXStop
LOOK AT US

we dont look like anything on this planet

We bear very close resemblances to several species of primate, to which we are proven to be genetically related.

look at the way we abouse everything we get

That is, unfortunately what we do. As the dominant species of the planet perhaps, as a race, we feel its our right to do what we want with what is ours.

look at our houses they dont look like there suposed to be there, or dont look natural

They don't look natural because for the most part they are made of synthetic materials, which we have found to be more suitable when building a habitat. And it doesn't matter what our houses look like. A termite mound doesn't look anything at all like a bird's nest, it doesn't mean one or the other doesn't belong on the planet.

we dont look like we were made for this planet

erm.... Our lungs have adapted to transfer oxygen around the body then convert it into carbon dioxide which plants need to breathe. There's a deep connection right there.
You want another? Okay. There is a theory going around (can't remember where I saw it but I'll have a trawl through the interweb) that should we eat anything that was not grown or descended from Terran specimens it wouldn't agree with us.
Another is the fact that our bodies have evolved the necessary shape and mass to be able to stand upright at Earth gravity. There are literally hundreds of ways we are made for this planet.

if there are billions of stars in this galixiy and billions of galixiys
(think you get were im going)

were not alone there IS other life

there has to be a reason there not coming to us

and chances are they know about us

Agree with all that except the part about them not coming to us.

I ment by "not coming to us"

You dont see them coming down and saying "Hi" to us.

I know how they could be taking form of us or staying in the sky in there ships.

Maybe they have made attempts to approach us but have been pushed away by the government. Or perhaps the cases of people coming into contact with aliens who give them messages is a way of reaching out. Or perhaps the brief sightings and crop circles etc is a way of helping us get used to the idea of other intelligence before they show up.

You can't make a judgement without all the facts, and we don't know all the facts. Maybe aliens are working with the government, maybe aliens are at war with the government. Maybe Earth is an extraterrestrial refugee safe haven.
We just don't know!

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