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Sandia is the name of a massive underground secret base with at least 3 associated runways, 2 parallel east and west and one north south located on the desert to the north of the main base.
Sandia main oprations is located on top of the ridge between Silent Canyon and Grass Springs Canyon.
Beginning in 1980 this ridge was leveled off, a huge base of many levels built and then the dirt was put back on to make it look like nothing ever was built there.
The runways and associated hangars and other facililties are to the north of this main base on the desert flats. The landing strips are approximately south of a point midway between two dry lakes. The dry lake on the west is called Gold Flat, the dry lake on the east used to be called 3-4 (three dash four) but I don't know what it is called today.
Before these flights left Las Vegas, the pilots had to get clearance from NORAD to ensure there weren't any foreign spy satellites overhead. As they approached their destination, they contacted the ground and set up their landing pattern. What made this difficult from a pilot's viewpoint was that there wasn't a runway in sight, only miles of sagebrush covered desert. Then, as they continued their approach a runway suddenly appeared in the midst of this sea of nothingness.
How was this accomplished? According to the pilots, the runway was painted (and perhaps textured) to match the surrounding desert. As the plane approached, sprinklers within the runway were turned on to wet the surface, thus making it stand out from the adjacent terrain. After landing, the passengers quickly got off, as the planes were not allowed to linger. The pilots related that the substantial complex the passengers then entered was camouflaged to look like a series of hills, or may have actually been built partially into the hills.
Area 19 has quite a bit of land within it set aside to LANL (Los Alamos National Laboratory) research. Press tours are allowed almost everywhere in the Test Site but when a tour of Area 19 was requested on two different occasions, they were both denied. One because it was just too far there and another because the road there "wasn't maintained" even though it is paved and in great condition. Also, the Rainier Mesa and Pahute Mesa areas, both of which are barely touched by the nuclear explosions, would be great for an underground test base. The whole reason the government took Area 19 and 20 was so they could detonate nuclear bombs underground in that vicinity where the geology was perfect. The ground was very hard and would absorb quite a bit of the shock. Mysteriously, the Dead Horse Flat area (most likely place for an underground secret base) was barely used for the tests.
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Originally posted by greatlakes
Uhh I don't think it's as obvious to others as it is evidently as obvious to you. Perhaps you can highlight the so-called plagiarism particulars. If you accuse someone of plagiarism you should document the case better so far as you have.
Originally posted by Ghost01
Perhasps a better word would have been Copyright-Infringment!
While John is not selling his posts for money, he's still technically stealing and using copyrighted works. None the less, it still against the law as well as a violation of Terms and Conditions.
Tim
[edit on 5/18/2007 by Ghost01]
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Originally posted by Ghost01
Perhasps a better word would have been Copyright-Infringment!
While John is not selling his posts for money, he's still technically stealing and using copyrighted works. None the less, it still against the law as well as a violation of Terms and Conditions.
Originally posted by greatlakes
I notice you have JL as one of your foes, could this have something to do with the origination of this thread?
1. I watched it being built when I was flying for DOE on the underground nuke test monitoring program. I would fly up to the northern border and see this huge, white, scar as they were removing the top of the mountain. I didn't know what it was at the time but I knew it was big.
2. I had friends that worked on the construction of Sandia and told about the 5 miles long convoys of cement trucks headed towards the Pahute Mesa. Just cement trucks for 5 miles.
3. I have a couple of friends that worked at Sandia in the early 90's. I've lost touch with them and I don't know whether or not they work there anymore.
4. I did a televsion special on Sandia with Channel 3 here in Las Vegas in, I believe, 1996. Somebody called into the show and verified that he helped build Sandia.
Originally posted by tomra
Tim, as far as i can read John has posted his own sources/observations to make an argument to this base´s existence...do you have any other information to disclose regarding why you think John is lying?
Here´s the relevant points John made from the sandia post...
1. I watched it being built when I was flying for DOE on the underground nuke test monitoring program. I would fly up to the northern border and see this huge, white, scar as they were removing the top of the mountain. I didn't know what it was at the time but I knew it was big.
2. I had friends that worked on the construction of Sandia and told about the 5 miles long convoys of cement trucks headed towards the Pahute Mesa. Just cement trucks for 5 miles.
3. I have a couple of friends that worked at Sandia in the early 90's. I've lost touch with them and I don't know whether or not they work there anymore.
4. I did a televsion special on Sandia with Channel 3 here in Las Vegas in, I believe, 1996. Somebody called into the show and verified that he helped build Sandia.
As far as i can see (i might be wrong) i cannot find these arguments used on your refered website?
1. I watched it being built when I was flying for DOE on the underground nuke test monitoring program. I would fly up to the northern border and see this huge, white, scar as they were removing the top of the mountain. I didn't know what it was at the time but I knew it was big.
2. I had friends that worked on the construction of Sandia and told about the 5 miles long convoys of cement trucks headed towards the Pahute Mesa. Just cement trucks for 5 miles.
3. I have a couple of friends that worked at Sandia in the early 90's. I've lost touch with them and I don't know whether or not they work there anymore.
4. I did a televsion special on Sandia with Channel 3 here in Las Vegas in, I believe, 1996. Somebody called into the show and verified that he helped build Sandia.
I can Prove that John took it from copyrighted websites!
Originally posted by Raud
Originally posted by Ghost01
Perhasps a better word would have been Copyright-Infringment!
While John is not selling his posts for money, he's still technically stealing and using copyrighted works. None the less, it still against the law as well as a violation of Terms and Conditions.
On this subject I am all with you Ghost01; always have been, always will be.
Can't you people just take above written as more truth with a greater deal of substance that J. Lears crazy claims, backed up with "It's true becuase I say so"-attitude? There is another great word for that; Pathetic.
Originally posted by yfxxx
However, ...
Originally posted by Raud
Can't you people just take above written as more truth with a greater deal of substance that J. Lears crazy claims, backed up with "It's true becuase I say so"-attitude? There is another great word for that; Pathetic.
... I could always sign that statement . Well said, Raud!
Regards
yf
Originally posted by Ghost01
The following are quoted from the handbook:
quote:
1). Posting: You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.
John claims in his post to be using "First-hand" information. I've just Proven this is NOT true. This is a violation of Term 1