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9/11 Emergency Research Project
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After mulling it over last night and discussing it w/a friend familiar with all things 'spookish,' I've come to the conclusion that the good Col.
must be a disinformation specialist.
His aim? Although he tells the truth in the assertion that the airplanes used as flying bombs on 9-11 were being flown by remote control (probably from AWACS), other things he says do not add up, and are quite outlandish, to say the least.
This tactic is as old as dirt. Admit part of the truth and go off the deep end in other not truthful areas. To say that Gen. Richard Myers (Chairman of the JCS) concurred with the 20 page report, distributed 500 copies even to the White House and agreed with the assertions made is PREPOSTEROUS. What he is doing is casting light and complicity clearly away from the General, who was in charge of NORAD that day. Myers HAD to have knowledge about what was taking place. In my opinion, rather than being promoted, he should've been court-martialled for deriliction of duty - at least!
Any thoughts on this?
His aim? Although he tells the truth in the assertion that the airplanes used as flying bombs on 9-11 were being flown by remote control (probably from AWACS), other things he says do not add up, and are quite outlandish, to say the least.
This tactic is as old as dirt. Admit part of the truth and go off the deep end in other not truthful areas. To say that Gen. Richard Myers (Chairman of the JCS) concurred with the 20 page report, distributed 500 copies even to the White House and agreed with the assertions made is PREPOSTEROUS. What he is doing is casting light and complicity clearly away from the General, who was in charge of NORAD that day. Myers HAD to have knowledge about what was taking place. In my opinion, rather than being promoted, he should've been court-martialled for deriliction of duty - at least!
Any thoughts on this?
How does NORAD explain its failure to intercept any of the hijacked airliners on 9/11? Its commander, Gen. Ed Eberhart, pointed out in
congressional testimony that the FAA has the primary responsibility for hijackings in U.S. airspace, that NORAD can only help respond once the FAA
notifies it, and that on 9/11 the FAA delayed precious minutes before doing so. Eberhart has also said that while before 9/11, NORAD had practiced
responding to a hijacked plane trying to slam into a target in the United States, the exercises assumed that the flight had originated overseas,
giving intercepting jet fighters more time. More important, he also said that even if his aircraft had practiced the domestic scenario, it wouldn't
have mattered. Why? "I really think that, for sure in the first two instances, and probably in the third, the time and distance would not have
allowed us to get an airplane to the right place at the right time."
According to NORAD's official 9/11 time line, the FAA notified NORAD at 8:40 a.m. Eastern time that there was something peculiar going on with American Flight 11. But NORAD didn't issue an order for fighters to scramble until 8:46 a.m., the time when American Flight 11 hit the first WTC tower. Six minutes later, at 8:52 a.m., two F-15 fighters responded to the order by launching from a base 153 miles from New York City.
They still were not on the scene at 9:02 a.m. when the second airliner, United Flight 175, hit the second WTC tower. They wouldn't get there for another eight minutes, at 9:10 a.m. A NORAD senior officer, Major Gen. Larry Arnold, told NBC that when the fighters took off, they were flying straight to New York City. He also said that they were going "about 1.5 Mach, which is, you know, somewhere—11- or 1,200 miles an hour." But note that the F-15 fighters took 18 minutes to cover those 153 miles, which comes out to more like 510 mph. Yet, according to the Air Force, the F-15 has a top speed of 1,875 mph. So, you have to wonder, why were they flying at less than a third of what they're capable of?
www.attackonamerica.net...
Here are exerpts directly from the NORAD site talking about plane departures etc... on 9-11...
American Airlines Flight 11 � Boston enroute to Los Angeles
FAA Notification to NEADS 0840*
Fighter Scramble Order (Otis Air National Guard Base, Falmouth, Mass. Two F-15s) 0846**
Fighters Airborne 0852
Airline Impact Time (World Trade Center 1) 0846 (estimated)***
Fighter Time/Distance from Airline Impact Location Aircraft not airborne/153 miles
United Airlines Flight 175 � Boston enroute to Los Angeles
FAA Notification to NEADS 0843
Fighter Scramble Order (Otis ANGB, Falmouth, Mass. Same 2 F-15s as Flight 11) 0846
Fighters Airborne 0852
Airline Impact Time (World Trade Center 2) 0902 (estimated)
Fighter Time/Distance from Airline Impact Location approx 8 min****/71 miles
American Flight 77 �Dulles enroute to Los Angeles
FAA Notification to NEADS 0924
Fighter Scramble Order (Langley AFB, Hampton, Va. 2 F-16s) 0924
Fighters Airborne 0930
Airline Impact Time (Pentagon) 0937(estimated)
Fighter Time/Distance from Airline Impact Location approx 12 min/105 miles
United Flight 93 � Newark to San Francisco
FAA Notification to NEADS N/A *****
Fighter Scramble Order (Langley F-16s already airborne for AA Flt 77)
Fighters Airborne (Langley F-16 CAP remains in place to protect DC)
Airline Impact Time (Pennsylvania) 1003 (estimated)
Fighter Time/Distance from Airline Impact Location approx 11 min/100 miles
(from DC F-16 CAP)
* All times are Eastern Daylight Time; NEADS = North East Air Defense Sector, NORAD
** Scramble = Order to get an aircraft airborne as soon as possible
***Estimated = loss of radar contact
**** Flight times are calculated at 9 miles per minute or .9 Mach
***** The FAA and NEADS established a line of open communication discussing AA Flt 77 and UA Flt 93
The United States Air Force (USAF) is the most technologically advanced, and the most dominate military force ever known to man. There were seven Air Stations that were armed and on full alert to protect the continental United States on Tuesday September 11, 2001. The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall Air Force Base (AFB) in Panama City, Florida. The Air National Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fully armed fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Tyndall AFB, alert birds also sit armed and ready at; Homestead Air Reserve Base (ARB), Homestead, Florida; Langley AFB, Hampton, Virginia; Otis Air National Guard (ANG), Falmouth, Massachusetts; Oregon ANG, Portland, Oregon; March ARB, Riverside, CA; and Ellington ANG, Houston, Texas.
www.af.mil...
There were at least 28 other USAF bases that were in range of the 4 airliners on 911.
The following link lists the 7 bases on full alert and the 28 that were within range.
www.StandDown.net...
The supposed code name for this operation was The Big Wedding.
7:59 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11 a Boeing 767-223ER with a maximum capacity of 181 passengers and 23,980 gallons of fuel, lifts off from Logan International Airport in Boston, Massachusetts, bound for Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles, California. Take-off was scheduled for 7:45.
There are supposed to be 92 victims on board American Airlines Flight 11, yet when you add up the official death manifest list that was published on CNN.com, there are only 86 victims.
The same goes for the other three flights of September 11th. Add up the passenger and crew lists from all 4 flights of 911 and you have officially 266 people on board. Yet when one adds up the 4 official death manifest lists published on CNN.com, there are only 229 names. Somehow 37 people are missing from the 4 CNN.com official death manifest lists, including all 19 of the hijackers. There is not even one Arabic name there. Why?
One other thing; CNN.com says there are 45 fatalities on United Airlines Flight 93, others say there are 44. This would make 36 missing, and 265 deaths for all 4 airliners.
aviation-safety.net...
The 4 airliners of September 11th, 2 Boeing 767�s and 2 Boeing 757�s had a total passenger seating capacity of 762 people. There are only 229 passengers and crew members on the four death lists, so, how could these flights possibly be 70% empty?
911Timeline.net...
Boeing 767 Seating Charts: www.boeing.com...
Boeing 757 Seating Charts: www.boeing.com...
Will add more shortly ---
According to NORAD's official 9/11 time line, the FAA notified NORAD at 8:40 a.m. Eastern time that there was something peculiar going on with American Flight 11. But NORAD didn't issue an order for fighters to scramble until 8:46 a.m., the time when American Flight 11 hit the first WTC tower. Six minutes later, at 8:52 a.m., two F-15 fighters responded to the order by launching from a base 153 miles from New York City.
They still were not on the scene at 9:02 a.m. when the second airliner, United Flight 175, hit the second WTC tower. They wouldn't get there for another eight minutes, at 9:10 a.m. A NORAD senior officer, Major Gen. Larry Arnold, told NBC that when the fighters took off, they were flying straight to New York City. He also said that they were going "about 1.5 Mach, which is, you know, somewhere—11- or 1,200 miles an hour." But note that the F-15 fighters took 18 minutes to cover those 153 miles, which comes out to more like 510 mph. Yet, according to the Air Force, the F-15 has a top speed of 1,875 mph. So, you have to wonder, why were they flying at less than a third of what they're capable of?
www.attackonamerica.net...
Here are exerpts directly from the NORAD site talking about plane departures etc... on 9-11...
American Airlines Flight 11 � Boston enroute to Los Angeles
FAA Notification to NEADS 0840*
Fighter Scramble Order (Otis Air National Guard Base, Falmouth, Mass. Two F-15s) 0846**
Fighters Airborne 0852
Airline Impact Time (World Trade Center 1) 0846 (estimated)***
Fighter Time/Distance from Airline Impact Location Aircraft not airborne/153 miles
United Airlines Flight 175 � Boston enroute to Los Angeles
FAA Notification to NEADS 0843
Fighter Scramble Order (Otis ANGB, Falmouth, Mass. Same 2 F-15s as Flight 11) 0846
Fighters Airborne 0852
Airline Impact Time (World Trade Center 2) 0902 (estimated)
Fighter Time/Distance from Airline Impact Location approx 8 min****/71 miles
American Flight 77 �Dulles enroute to Los Angeles
FAA Notification to NEADS 0924
Fighter Scramble Order (Langley AFB, Hampton, Va. 2 F-16s) 0924
Fighters Airborne 0930
Airline Impact Time (Pentagon) 0937(estimated)
Fighter Time/Distance from Airline Impact Location approx 12 min/105 miles
United Flight 93 � Newark to San Francisco
FAA Notification to NEADS N/A *****
Fighter Scramble Order (Langley F-16s already airborne for AA Flt 77)
Fighters Airborne (Langley F-16 CAP remains in place to protect DC)
Airline Impact Time (Pennsylvania) 1003 (estimated)
Fighter Time/Distance from Airline Impact Location approx 11 min/100 miles
(from DC F-16 CAP)
* All times are Eastern Daylight Time; NEADS = North East Air Defense Sector, NORAD
** Scramble = Order to get an aircraft airborne as soon as possible
***Estimated = loss of radar contact
**** Flight times are calculated at 9 miles per minute or .9 Mach
***** The FAA and NEADS established a line of open communication discussing AA Flt 77 and UA Flt 93
The United States Air Force (USAF) is the most technologically advanced, and the most dominate military force ever known to man. There were seven Air Stations that were armed and on full alert to protect the continental United States on Tuesday September 11, 2001. The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall Air Force Base (AFB) in Panama City, Florida. The Air National Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fully armed fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Tyndall AFB, alert birds also sit armed and ready at; Homestead Air Reserve Base (ARB), Homestead, Florida; Langley AFB, Hampton, Virginia; Otis Air National Guard (ANG), Falmouth, Massachusetts; Oregon ANG, Portland, Oregon; March ARB, Riverside, CA; and Ellington ANG, Houston, Texas.
www.af.mil...
There were at least 28 other USAF bases that were in range of the 4 airliners on 911.
The following link lists the 7 bases on full alert and the 28 that were within range.
www.StandDown.net...
The supposed code name for this operation was The Big Wedding.
7:59 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11 a Boeing 767-223ER with a maximum capacity of 181 passengers and 23,980 gallons of fuel, lifts off from Logan International Airport in Boston, Massachusetts, bound for Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles, California. Take-off was scheduled for 7:45.
There are supposed to be 92 victims on board American Airlines Flight 11, yet when you add up the official death manifest list that was published on CNN.com, there are only 86 victims.
The same goes for the other three flights of September 11th. Add up the passenger and crew lists from all 4 flights of 911 and you have officially 266 people on board. Yet when one adds up the 4 official death manifest lists published on CNN.com, there are only 229 names. Somehow 37 people are missing from the 4 CNN.com official death manifest lists, including all 19 of the hijackers. There is not even one Arabic name there. Why?
One other thing; CNN.com says there are 45 fatalities on United Airlines Flight 93, others say there are 44. This would make 36 missing, and 265 deaths for all 4 airliners.
aviation-safety.net...
The 4 airliners of September 11th, 2 Boeing 767�s and 2 Boeing 757�s had a total passenger seating capacity of 762 people. There are only 229 passengers and crew members on the four death lists, so, how could these flights possibly be 70% empty?
911Timeline.net...
Boeing 767 Seating Charts: www.boeing.com...
Boeing 757 Seating Charts: www.boeing.com...
Will add more shortly ---
I came across this link which offers alotta good stuff. I thought I'd share it for anyone wanting to use the info. in their specific area of
research. Happy hunting.
AN OPEN LETTER TO CONDOLEEZZA RICE
"You Are a Liar"
by
Catherine Austin Fitts
Former Assistant Secretary of Housing
Hon. Condoleezza Rice
National Security Advisor
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
April 9, 2004
Dear Ms. Rice:
I am writing to communicate four points regarding your testimony yesterday under oath before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.
Point #1: You are a liar.
Attorney General Ashcroft sits on the National Security Council. Warned by his FBI security detail, the head of law enforcement for the United States knew to avoid commercial airlines on September 11, 2001.
It was your job as National Security Advisor to make sure that the people who flew on American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 had the benefit of the same warnings as those they paid to protect us.
You knew. You kept silent. They died.
You had numerous warnings of the risks of 9-11 � sufficient to let the American people know and use their best judgment as to how to protect themselves from a possible attack. It was your job as National Security Advisor to make sure that the people in the South Tower of the World Trade Center had the knowledge they needed to evacuate their building upon seeing the North Tower hit by a plane.
You knew. You kept silent. They died.
Point #2: Your motives are transparent.
The World Trade Center is in the heart of New York City � one of the great financial capitals of the world. The Pentagon is in the heart of Washington -- the appropriation and accounting capital for the US federal budget and credit and the US Treasury � the largest issuer of securities in the world.
Unlike many other terrorist attacks, these attacks killed people whose family, friends and neighbors understand how these financial systems work. Victim families, friends and the residents of the communities directly harmed can calculate who made money on 9-11 profiteering. They can trace the flow of money into the 2004 Presidential campaign coffers from the profits your supporters made as a result of 9-11 profiteering. They can calculate how 9-11 profiteering connects to the financing and silence of corporate media.
Those personally impacted and the global researchers they network with have the intellectual power and personal courage to ask and answer, �Cui Bono?� (Who Benefits?) They understand that your success as National Security Advisor is as a direct result of your failure to stop 9-11. They can see how your lies about 9-11 made money for the investment syndicate that put you in power and for the buyers of US Treasury securities who are so richly paid to finance the US military, intelligence and enforcement apparatus and the defense contractors and oil interests it serves.
All the campaign ads in the world can not now convince the American people that you have their best interests at heart.
Point #3: You are going down.
The richest and most powerful people in the world pay for performance. They pay you to make the US governmental apparatus look legitimate while they use it to centralize economic and political power. That means they need liars who are better at lying than you.
The myth that you had no idea that Americans deserved to be warned about the risks of flying or planes being used as weapons is now in the dust heap with the notion that the United States attacked Iraq and our soldiers are dying to protect us from Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
Your lies of 9-11 � like your lies about the Iraqi war � have been profitable for the military-banking complex you represent. These lies, however, have not misled the crowd. The American people and global citizens are looking for the truth. We demand the changes that will give meaning and honor to those who died on 9-11 and in the ensuing wars. We demand an end to further bloodshed. We demand a refund of all that you and your backers have stolen from those of us who remain alive.
Point #4: You are guilty of criminal gross negligence.
If you want to catch a terrorist today, you need look no further than your own mirror.
Many Americans gather this weekend to give thanks that Jesus died for our sins and gave us the covenant of grace. In the spirit of our Lord's crucification and resurrection, may God have mercy on your soul.
Sincerely Yours,
Catherine Austin Fitts
Former Assistant Secretary of Housing, Bush I
President
Solari, Inc
PO Box 157
Hickory Valley, TN 38042
731.764.2515
[email protected]
Letter Submitted:
White House Webmail: sawho14.eop.gov...
E-mail cc to:
President George W. Bush: [email protected];
Vice President Richard Cheney: [email protected];
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20500
Comments: 202-456-1111
Tel: 202-456-1414
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
301 7th Street, SW
Room 5125
Washington, DC 20407
(202) 331-4060
[email protected]
Background Articles:
Ashcroft Flying High
CBS News
Washington DC, July 26, 2001
www.fpp.co.uk...
A Historical Whitewash?
by Kelly Patricia O'Meara
Insight Magazine, November 24, 2003
www.insightmag.com...
If the World Was Talking, Why Didn't We Listen?
by Kelly Patricia O'Meara
Insight Magazine, November 24, 2003
www.insightmag.com...
9-11 Profiteering
by Catherine Austin Fitts
Scoop Media, March 22, 2004
www.scoop.co.nz...
A Letter to the Editor of the Wall Street Journal
by Catherine Austin Fitts
Scoop Media, October 6, 2003
www.scoop.co.nz...
Where is the Money?
www.whereisthemoney.org...
AN OPEN LETTER TO CONDOLEEZZA RICE
"You Are a Liar"
by
Catherine Austin Fitts
Former Assistant Secretary of Housing
Hon. Condoleezza Rice
National Security Advisor
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
April 9, 2004
Dear Ms. Rice:
I am writing to communicate four points regarding your testimony yesterday under oath before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.
Point #1: You are a liar.
Attorney General Ashcroft sits on the National Security Council. Warned by his FBI security detail, the head of law enforcement for the United States knew to avoid commercial airlines on September 11, 2001.
It was your job as National Security Advisor to make sure that the people who flew on American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 had the benefit of the same warnings as those they paid to protect us.
You knew. You kept silent. They died.
You had numerous warnings of the risks of 9-11 � sufficient to let the American people know and use their best judgment as to how to protect themselves from a possible attack. It was your job as National Security Advisor to make sure that the people in the South Tower of the World Trade Center had the knowledge they needed to evacuate their building upon seeing the North Tower hit by a plane.
You knew. You kept silent. They died.
Point #2: Your motives are transparent.
The World Trade Center is in the heart of New York City � one of the great financial capitals of the world. The Pentagon is in the heart of Washington -- the appropriation and accounting capital for the US federal budget and credit and the US Treasury � the largest issuer of securities in the world.
Unlike many other terrorist attacks, these attacks killed people whose family, friends and neighbors understand how these financial systems work. Victim families, friends and the residents of the communities directly harmed can calculate who made money on 9-11 profiteering. They can trace the flow of money into the 2004 Presidential campaign coffers from the profits your supporters made as a result of 9-11 profiteering. They can calculate how 9-11 profiteering connects to the financing and silence of corporate media.
Those personally impacted and the global researchers they network with have the intellectual power and personal courage to ask and answer, �Cui Bono?� (Who Benefits?) They understand that your success as National Security Advisor is as a direct result of your failure to stop 9-11. They can see how your lies about 9-11 made money for the investment syndicate that put you in power and for the buyers of US Treasury securities who are so richly paid to finance the US military, intelligence and enforcement apparatus and the defense contractors and oil interests it serves.
All the campaign ads in the world can not now convince the American people that you have their best interests at heart.
Point #3: You are going down.
The richest and most powerful people in the world pay for performance. They pay you to make the US governmental apparatus look legitimate while they use it to centralize economic and political power. That means they need liars who are better at lying than you.
The myth that you had no idea that Americans deserved to be warned about the risks of flying or planes being used as weapons is now in the dust heap with the notion that the United States attacked Iraq and our soldiers are dying to protect us from Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
Your lies of 9-11 � like your lies about the Iraqi war � have been profitable for the military-banking complex you represent. These lies, however, have not misled the crowd. The American people and global citizens are looking for the truth. We demand the changes that will give meaning and honor to those who died on 9-11 and in the ensuing wars. We demand an end to further bloodshed. We demand a refund of all that you and your backers have stolen from those of us who remain alive.
Point #4: You are guilty of criminal gross negligence.
If you want to catch a terrorist today, you need look no further than your own mirror.
Many Americans gather this weekend to give thanks that Jesus died for our sins and gave us the covenant of grace. In the spirit of our Lord's crucification and resurrection, may God have mercy on your soul.
Sincerely Yours,
Catherine Austin Fitts
Former Assistant Secretary of Housing, Bush I
President
Solari, Inc
PO Box 157
Hickory Valley, TN 38042
731.764.2515
[email protected]
Letter Submitted:
White House Webmail: sawho14.eop.gov...
E-mail cc to:
President George W. Bush: [email protected];
Vice President Richard Cheney: [email protected];
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20500
Comments: 202-456-1111
Tel: 202-456-1414
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
301 7th Street, SW
Room 5125
Washington, DC 20407
(202) 331-4060
[email protected]
Background Articles:
Ashcroft Flying High
CBS News
Washington DC, July 26, 2001
www.fpp.co.uk...
A Historical Whitewash?
by Kelly Patricia O'Meara
Insight Magazine, November 24, 2003
www.insightmag.com...
If the World Was Talking, Why Didn't We Listen?
by Kelly Patricia O'Meara
Insight Magazine, November 24, 2003
www.insightmag.com...
9-11 Profiteering
by Catherine Austin Fitts
Scoop Media, March 22, 2004
www.scoop.co.nz...
A Letter to the Editor of the Wall Street Journal
by Catherine Austin Fitts
Scoop Media, October 6, 2003
www.scoop.co.nz...
Where is the Money?
www.whereisthemoney.org...
FEMA explanation of the collapse of World Trade Center 7
1) Power to the Twin Towers was wired from the substation in WTC 7 through two separate systems. The first provided power throughout each building; the second provided power only to the emergency systems. In the event of fire, power would only be provided to the emergency systems. This was to prevent arcing electric lines igniting new fires and to reduce the risk of firefighters being electrocuted. There were also six 1,200 kW emergency power generators located in the sixth basement (B-6) level of the towers, which provided a backup power supply. These also had normal and emergency subsystems.
2) Previous to the collapse of the South Tower, the power to the towers was switched to the emergency subsystem to provide power for communications equipment, elevators, emergency lighting in corridors and stairwells, and fire pumps and safety for firefighters. At this time power was still provided by the WTC 7 substation.
3) Con Ed reported that "the feeders supplying power to WTC 7 were de-energized at 9:59 a.m.". This was due to the South Tower collapse which occurred at the same time.
Unfortunately, even though the main power system for the towers was switched off and WTC 7 had been evacuated, a design flaw allowed generators (designed to supply backup power for the WTC complex) to start up and resume an unnecessary and unwanted power supply.
4) Unfortunately, debris from the collapse of the north tower (the closest tower) fell across the building known as World Trade Center Six, and then across Vesey Street, and then impacted WTC 7 which is (at closest) 355 feet away from the north tower.
4)Unfortunately, some of this debris penetrated the outer wall of WTC 7, smashed half way through the building, demolishing a concrete masonry wall (in the north half of the building) and then breached a fuel oil pipe that ran across the building just to the north of the masonry wall.
5)Unfortunately, though most of the falling debris was cold, it manages to start numerous fires in WTC 7.
6) Unfortunately, even with the outbreak of numerous fires in the building, no decision was made to turn off the generators now supplying electricity to WTC 7.
7) Fortunately, for the firefighters, someone did make the decision not to fight and contain the fires while they were still small, but to wait until the fires were large and out of control. Otherwise, many firefighters may have been electrocuted while fighting the fires.
8) Unfortunately, the safety mechanism that should have shut down the fuel oil pumps (which were powered by electricity) upon the breaching of the fuel line, failed to work and fuel oil (diesel) was pumped from the Salomon Smith Barney tanks on the ground floor onto the 5th floor where it ignited. The pumps eventually emptied the tanks, pumping some 12,000 gallons in all.
9)Unfortunately, the sprinkler system of WTC 7 malfunctioned and did not extinguish the fires.
Unfortunately, the burning diesel heated trusses one and two to the point that they lost their structural integrity.
10)Unfortunately, this then caused the whole building to collapse, even though before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire
There al alot of unfortunatelys in that list, I find it a tough one to believe. A remark again at the fact that no other steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire. I took a minute for 2 million square feet of office space to become a large pile of rubble.
WTC 7 colapse Video
sources for video: Whatreallyhappened.com
The full FEMA report can be found here:
(easier to open that the official Government FEMA site version which is in PDF format)
www.wtc7.net...
the official FEMA report on WTC 7, Chapter 5
www.fema.gov...
[Edited on 4/21/2004 by earthtone]
1) Power to the Twin Towers was wired from the substation in WTC 7 through two separate systems. The first provided power throughout each building; the second provided power only to the emergency systems. In the event of fire, power would only be provided to the emergency systems. This was to prevent arcing electric lines igniting new fires and to reduce the risk of firefighters being electrocuted. There were also six 1,200 kW emergency power generators located in the sixth basement (B-6) level of the towers, which provided a backup power supply. These also had normal and emergency subsystems.
2) Previous to the collapse of the South Tower, the power to the towers was switched to the emergency subsystem to provide power for communications equipment, elevators, emergency lighting in corridors and stairwells, and fire pumps and safety for firefighters. At this time power was still provided by the WTC 7 substation.
3) Con Ed reported that "the feeders supplying power to WTC 7 were de-energized at 9:59 a.m.". This was due to the South Tower collapse which occurred at the same time.
Unfortunately, even though the main power system for the towers was switched off and WTC 7 had been evacuated, a design flaw allowed generators (designed to supply backup power for the WTC complex) to start up and resume an unnecessary and unwanted power supply.
4) Unfortunately, debris from the collapse of the north tower (the closest tower) fell across the building known as World Trade Center Six, and then across Vesey Street, and then impacted WTC 7 which is (at closest) 355 feet away from the north tower.
4)Unfortunately, some of this debris penetrated the outer wall of WTC 7, smashed half way through the building, demolishing a concrete masonry wall (in the north half of the building) and then breached a fuel oil pipe that ran across the building just to the north of the masonry wall.
5)Unfortunately, though most of the falling debris was cold, it manages to start numerous fires in WTC 7.
6) Unfortunately, even with the outbreak of numerous fires in the building, no decision was made to turn off the generators now supplying electricity to WTC 7.
7) Fortunately, for the firefighters, someone did make the decision not to fight and contain the fires while they were still small, but to wait until the fires were large and out of control. Otherwise, many firefighters may have been electrocuted while fighting the fires.
8) Unfortunately, the safety mechanism that should have shut down the fuel oil pumps (which were powered by electricity) upon the breaching of the fuel line, failed to work and fuel oil (diesel) was pumped from the Salomon Smith Barney tanks on the ground floor onto the 5th floor where it ignited. The pumps eventually emptied the tanks, pumping some 12,000 gallons in all.
9)Unfortunately, the sprinkler system of WTC 7 malfunctioned and did not extinguish the fires.
Unfortunately, the burning diesel heated trusses one and two to the point that they lost their structural integrity.
10)Unfortunately, this then caused the whole building to collapse, even though before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire
There al alot of unfortunatelys in that list, I find it a tough one to believe. A remark again at the fact that no other steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire. I took a minute for 2 million square feet of office space to become a large pile of rubble.
WTC 7 colapse Video
sources for video: Whatreallyhappened.com
The full FEMA report can be found here:
(easier to open that the official Government FEMA site version which is in PDF format)
www.wtc7.net...
the official FEMA report on WTC 7, Chapter 5
www.fema.gov...
[Edited on 4/21/2004 by earthtone]
FEMA collapse sequence
The collapse of WTC 7 appears to have initiated on the east side of the building on the interior, as indicated by the disappearance of the east penthouse into the building. This was followed by the disappearance of the west penthouse, and the development of a fault or "kink" on the east half of WTC 7 (see Figures 5-23 and 5-24). The collapse then began at the lower floor levels, and the building completely collapsed to the ground. From this sequence, it appears that the collapse initiated at the lower levels on the inside and progressed up, as seen by the extension of the fault from the lower levels to the top.
During the course of the day, fires may have exposed various structural elements to high temperatures for a sufficient period of time to reduce their strength to the point of causing collapse. The structural elements most likely to have initiated the observed collapse are the transfer trusses between floors 5 to 7, located on lower floors under the east mechanical penthouse close to the fault/kink location.
If the collapse initiated at these transfer trusses, this would explain why the building imploded, producing a limited debris field as the exterior walls were pulled downward. The collapse may have then spread to the west. The building at this point may have had extensive interior structural failures that then led to the collapse of the overall building. The cantilever transfer girders along the north elevation, the strong diaphragms at the 5th and 7th floors, and the seat connections between the beams and columns at the building perimeter may have become overloaded after the collapse of the transfer trusses and caused the interior collapse to propagate to the whole floor and to the exterior frame. The structural system between floors 5 and 7 appears to be critical to the structural performance of the entire building.
An alternative scenario was considered in which the collapse started at horizontal or inclined members. The horizontal members include truss tension ties and the transfer girder of the T-1 truss at the east side of the 5th floor. Inclined members spanned between the 5th and 7th floors and were located in a two-story open mechanical room. The horizontal haunched back span of the eastern cantilever transfer girders, located roughly along the kink, rested on a horizontal girder at the 7th floor supported by the T-1 transfer truss. Even if the cantilever transfer girder had initiated the collapse sequence, the back span failure would most likely have not caused the observed submergence of the east mechanical penthouse.
The collapse of WTC 7 was different from that of WTC 1 and WTC 2, which showered debris in a wide radius as their frames essentially "peeled" outward. The collapse of WTC 7 had a small debris field as the facade was pulled downward, suggesting an internal failure and implosion.
To confirm proposed failure mechanisms, structural analysis and fire modeling of fuels and anticipated temperatures and durations will need to be performed. Further study of the interaction of the fire and steel, particularly on the lower levels (i.e., 1st-12th floors) should be undertaken to determine specific fuel loads, location, potential for impact from falling debris, etc. Further research is needed into location of storage and file room combustible materials and fuel lines, and the probability of pumps feeding fuel to severed lines.
The collapse of WTC 7 appears to have initiated on the east side of the building on the interior, as indicated by the disappearance of the east penthouse into the building. This was followed by the disappearance of the west penthouse, and the development of a fault or "kink" on the east half of WTC 7 (see Figures 5-23 and 5-24). The collapse then began at the lower floor levels, and the building completely collapsed to the ground. From this sequence, it appears that the collapse initiated at the lower levels on the inside and progressed up, as seen by the extension of the fault from the lower levels to the top.
During the course of the day, fires may have exposed various structural elements to high temperatures for a sufficient period of time to reduce their strength to the point of causing collapse. The structural elements most likely to have initiated the observed collapse are the transfer trusses between floors 5 to 7, located on lower floors under the east mechanical penthouse close to the fault/kink location.
If the collapse initiated at these transfer trusses, this would explain why the building imploded, producing a limited debris field as the exterior walls were pulled downward. The collapse may have then spread to the west. The building at this point may have had extensive interior structural failures that then led to the collapse of the overall building. The cantilever transfer girders along the north elevation, the strong diaphragms at the 5th and 7th floors, and the seat connections between the beams and columns at the building perimeter may have become overloaded after the collapse of the transfer trusses and caused the interior collapse to propagate to the whole floor and to the exterior frame. The structural system between floors 5 and 7 appears to be critical to the structural performance of the entire building.
An alternative scenario was considered in which the collapse started at horizontal or inclined members. The horizontal members include truss tension ties and the transfer girder of the T-1 truss at the east side of the 5th floor. Inclined members spanned between the 5th and 7th floors and were located in a two-story open mechanical room. The horizontal haunched back span of the eastern cantilever transfer girders, located roughly along the kink, rested on a horizontal girder at the 7th floor supported by the T-1 transfer truss. Even if the cantilever transfer girder had initiated the collapse sequence, the back span failure would most likely have not caused the observed submergence of the east mechanical penthouse.
The collapse of WTC 7 was different from that of WTC 1 and WTC 2, which showered debris in a wide radius as their frames essentially "peeled" outward. The collapse of WTC 7 had a small debris field as the facade was pulled downward, suggesting an internal failure and implosion.
To confirm proposed failure mechanisms, structural analysis and fire modeling of fuels and anticipated temperatures and durations will need to be performed. Further study of the interaction of the fire and steel, particularly on the lower levels (i.e., 1st-12th floors) should be undertaken to determine specific fuel loads, location, potential for impact from falling debris, etc. Further research is needed into location of storage and file room combustible materials and fuel lines, and the probability of pumps feeding fuel to severed lines.
I ran across this link today. I thought I'd post it for everyone to look at. What do you all think about it? Just looking for more sets of eyes.
GLOBAL HAWK is remote-controlled aircraft, for anyone unfamiliar w/it.
This page is an addition to "What hit the Pentagon & Whatever happened to Flight 77, click HERE to go there. Much of this probably wouldn't stand up in a court of law, but then neither will the people who gave you PNAC. Close analysis of the few scraps of footage from what is evidently one of the most unreliable security systems in modern times reveal some interesting matches between the plane that hit the Pentagon and 'Global Hawk'
membres.lycos.fr...
This page is an addition to "What hit the Pentagon & Whatever happened to Flight 77, click HERE to go there. Much of this probably wouldn't stand up in a court of law, but then neither will the people who gave you PNAC. Close analysis of the few scraps of footage from what is evidently one of the most unreliable security systems in modern times reveal some interesting matches between the plane that hit the Pentagon and 'Global Hawk'
membres.lycos.fr...
Yeh ECK, good link. I had studied that comparison myself but find it a bit hard to believe due to the amount of eyewitnesses. What I question more is
how that plane actually managed to get to the pentagon without being taken out.
Here's something regarding what went into the Pentagon. It's not my area, but I thought I'd share it anyway. Excellent pictures and diagrams. At
the end there is a huge compendium of sites. Check it out.
Cosmic Penguin presents
Dick Eastman's
Elementary 9-11
Introduction
Attention, loyal Americans. Do you believe in your
country? Do you believe what your leaders say?
Do you believe in the truth?
The greatest tragedy in American history occurred on
September 11, 2001. The nation we love was attacked.
Our leaders told us a tale of what happened.
It was a lie.
We dare you, loyal Americans, to look at this
evidence, which reveals - in irrefutable clarity -
that the Pentagon was not hit by a jetliner on 9/11.
They say a photograph is worth a thousand words.
The photos of the Pentagon on that fateful morning
clearly show no evidence of airplane debris, nor no
hole in the wall big enough to be the imprint of a
large airliner. Many windows at the point of impact
were not even broken!
The photographs, analyses, diagrams and statements
of fact that follow provide the clearest evidence that
the actual events of that tragic day do not match what
we have been told by the leaders of our country. They
reveal a chilling picture of deception and misrepresen-
tation, of lies about what happened.
You may wish to continue to support the leaders of
our country, but you may not deny the truth of what
you see in these pictures and learn from this shocking
evidence.
And when you realize the great difference between
what you have been told and what you now comprehend,
in sorrow and rage you will conclude that the entire
fantastic 9/11 coverup is about to unravel, and
obstruction of justice, treason, and mass murder are the
words the future will confer on the traitorous leaders
who told us all those lies about Arab terrorists.
Evil men who stole the election and the White House
in the year 2000, and engineered this debauched treachery
in order to turn America into a murderous police state.
John Kaminsky
The September 11 Pentagon Murders
The proof is here, Watson.
www.cosmicpenguin.com...
Cosmic Penguin presents
Dick Eastman's
Elementary 9-11
Introduction
Attention, loyal Americans. Do you believe in your
country? Do you believe what your leaders say?
Do you believe in the truth?
The greatest tragedy in American history occurred on
September 11, 2001. The nation we love was attacked.
Our leaders told us a tale of what happened.
It was a lie.
We dare you, loyal Americans, to look at this
evidence, which reveals - in irrefutable clarity -
that the Pentagon was not hit by a jetliner on 9/11.
They say a photograph is worth a thousand words.
The photos of the Pentagon on that fateful morning
clearly show no evidence of airplane debris, nor no
hole in the wall big enough to be the imprint of a
large airliner. Many windows at the point of impact
were not even broken!
The photographs, analyses, diagrams and statements
of fact that follow provide the clearest evidence that
the actual events of that tragic day do not match what
we have been told by the leaders of our country. They
reveal a chilling picture of deception and misrepresen-
tation, of lies about what happened.
You may wish to continue to support the leaders of
our country, but you may not deny the truth of what
you see in these pictures and learn from this shocking
evidence.
And when you realize the great difference between
what you have been told and what you now comprehend,
in sorrow and rage you will conclude that the entire
fantastic 9/11 coverup is about to unravel, and
obstruction of justice, treason, and mass murder are the
words the future will confer on the traitorous leaders
who told us all those lies about Arab terrorists.
Evil men who stole the election and the White House
in the year 2000, and engineered this debauched treachery
in order to turn America into a murderous police state.
John Kaminsky
The September 11 Pentagon Murders
The proof is here, Watson.
www.cosmicpenguin.com...
One of the things not discussed to any great extent regarding 9/11 is the "pulling" of the WTC, as reported here at Prison Planet
www.prisonplanet.com...
It has been suggested the buildings were demolished in a controlled demolition by means of the building having explosives pre-set in the buildings, making the terrorist scenario a very unlikely story, and would also explain just what was meant by Larry Silverstein saying "Pull it" and how the collapse could happen so soon after he made that statement.
this link offers thought provoking evidence: home.pacbell.net...
Jeff Rense and Jim Marrs also discuss the same subject on radio www.rense.com... Go to Older Archives, the interview is in the Rense archives dated 2/16/04 and is at the very end of the show at around about the 2hrs 4mins mark.
In the interview that they are talking about a couple that Jim Marrs met and spoke to, who had told him about a TV series they had watched some time before the Tragedy of 9/11, where it discussed the 'building' of the WTC, and the designers felt that if the buildings were ever subjected to a natural catastrophe, such as earthquake etc, the collapse of the buildings would cause unbelievable death and destruction of the surrounds, and involve "entire blocks" (like a domino effect), so they had installed an automated self destruct system allowing for a "controlled" collapse.
Jim Marrs felt he had seen the TV series the couple had spoken of, though not that particular episode, and thought the series was called "Buildings and Bridges" he also mentions the channel involved but I have forgotten which one it was. It was then that Jeff Rense asked the listeners to try and obtain copies of the program from the channel concerned, before the information got "Sanitized".
I was unable to investigate this myself as being in Australia I and don't have the means to contact the channel, or purchase a copy, but you in America could possibly track the information down. There must be some way of finding out more.
I find the 'official' version of the collapse of these buildings totally unbelievable (for obvious reasons), and the built-in, pre-set demolition system is far more likely.
Even if Osama bin Laden was the planner and instigator of the 'so-called' attack there is the likely-hood that he knew of the designed installation and took advantage of the plan ... But that still would not remove culpability of the final action that caused so many to die on that fateful day.
[edit on 19/6/04 by Verity]
It has been suggested the buildings were demolished in a controlled demolition by means of the building having explosives pre-set in the buildings, making the terrorist scenario a very unlikely story, and would also explain just what was meant by Larry Silverstein saying "Pull it" and how the collapse could happen so soon after he made that statement.
this link offers thought provoking evidence: home.pacbell.net...
Jeff Rense and Jim Marrs also discuss the same subject on radio www.rense.com... Go to Older Archives, the interview is in the Rense archives dated 2/16/04 and is at the very end of the show at around about the 2hrs 4mins mark.
In the interview that they are talking about a couple that Jim Marrs met and spoke to, who had told him about a TV series they had watched some time before the Tragedy of 9/11, where it discussed the 'building' of the WTC, and the designers felt that if the buildings were ever subjected to a natural catastrophe, such as earthquake etc, the collapse of the buildings would cause unbelievable death and destruction of the surrounds, and involve "entire blocks" (like a domino effect), so they had installed an automated self destruct system allowing for a "controlled" collapse.
Jim Marrs felt he had seen the TV series the couple had spoken of, though not that particular episode, and thought the series was called "Buildings and Bridges" he also mentions the channel involved but I have forgotten which one it was. It was then that Jeff Rense asked the listeners to try and obtain copies of the program from the channel concerned, before the information got "Sanitized".
I was unable to investigate this myself as being in Australia I and don't have the means to contact the channel, or purchase a copy, but you in America could possibly track the information down. There must be some way of finding out more.
I find the 'official' version of the collapse of these buildings totally unbelievable (for obvious reasons), and the built-in, pre-set demolition system is far more likely.
Even if Osama bin Laden was the planner and instigator of the 'so-called' attack there is the likely-hood that he knew of the designed installation and took advantage of the plan ... But that still would not remove culpability of the final action that caused so many to die on that fateful day.
[edit on 19/6/04 by Verity]
Welcome to the project Verity thanks for contributing to the thread.
I recieved this information today by someone who knows me. I do not know them. It's interesting and offers information about remote control and
alotta other stuff.
Just curious what ya'll think of it.
This 911 Nutshell email was sent from a send-only email account.
IN PHOTOS OF THE BOTH CRASHES INTO THE WTC TOWERS the imprints were like 'two peas in a pod' so it is a safe assumption that both airliners were identical
737s. Holes compared.jpg
www.greatbuildings.com...
.Each side of the WTC towers is 208 feet with 60 pillars on 3.5 feet centers. A Boeing 737 wingspan is 95 feet. The measurement from the centerline of the 737 to the wingtip would be about 50 feet or 15 pillars on the wall face. (In contrast, a 767 has wingspan of 156 feet or about 45 pillars, from centerline to wingtip 22 pillars).
Looking at the crash imprints count the number of pillars from the center of the large hole to the right wingtip. The planes struck at an angle instead of straight-on so the left wing wall damage was caused by the wing coming across it where the right wing wall damage would be more of a direct hit and a more accurate measurement. A 737 would leave a 15 pillar right wing damage imprint.
FURTHER EVIDENCE that the '9/11' Boeing 767 airliners were switched with Boeing 737s:
www.boeing.com...
(1) Engines on 737 airliners are mounted on PODS, 767 airliners aren't on
pods. The 767 has a longer snout or nose ahead of the wings along with the engines closer to the wings than the 737.
Photos of the 767:
www.airliners.net...
www.airliners.net...
Photos of the 737:
www.airliners.net...
seattlepi.nwsource.com...
(2) Unlike a 767, a 737 is capable of 60-degree banking maneuvers (on one
engine!) Notice the 737 making such a maneuver as it crashes into the South
Tower.
(3) In an interview with a retired United aeronautical engineer, he said the
engine part seen in the documentary '9/11' on the street below the North
Tower after the first crash was not part of a 767 Platt & Whitney engine. Attachment engine3.jpg
Thus ruling out a 767 airliner.
www.sftt.org...
(4) The FBI issued a federal grand jury subpoena to an airline pilot for
purchasing a CD-ROM of 737 technical information on EBAY. Trying to clean up
737 technical information on the Internet obviously.
The UA engineer also mentioned that fuel is loaded on an aircraft so 45
minutes of fuel is left at the end of a flight for safety purposes. In normal
use a 737 is NOT capable of flying from Boston to San Francisco ANYWAY but
including the safety fuel for an extra 45 minutes of flight it definitely
would not be scheduled for a transcontinental trip. United Shuttle uses 737s
for short haul flights. The UA engineer calculated a trip from Boston to New
York City would normally take about 20 minutes. On 9/11 we are told it took
45 minutes. Where was the airliner that left Boston during the missing 25
minutes? Was there a unscheduled change in aircraft? Also where are the bodies of the passengers of these flights?
www.rense.com...
A prominent Spanish newspaper scientifically analyzed the photos of the 737
airliner as it approached the South WTC Tower AND FOUND:
(1) A bulge on the body under the right wing and
(2) two cylindrical objects along the bottom of the
aircraft. Attachments: Mystery airliner.jpg; airlinerST.jpg
THE BULGE ON THE BODY UNDER THE RIGHT WING is similar to the bulge on the
remote-controlled Predator used in military operations. Attachment predator4.jpg The UA engineer said ON THE PREDATOR the bulge is a cover for the radar antenna that receives signals from a control station for guidance.
FOR THE NORTH TOWER CRASH a Saab Jet (Attachment 1st.jpg) was the control
station, controlling the airliner as the Saab Jet flow directly above the
airliner in tight formation on the approach to the North Tower but separating moments before the crash by flying over the tower and leaving a sonic boom on the soundtrack of the documentary, '9/11'.
FOR THE SOUTH TOWER CRASH a military helicopter (Attachment helplume2.jpg)
positioned in front of the South Tower but hidden from ground view in the
smoke plume remote-controlled the airliner into the South Tower.
The Saab Jet function in this crash was to bring the airliner to Manhattan
Island and then turn over remote control to the Military Helicoper.
www.erh.noaa.gov... (NW wind=315,N=0 or
360) 6/16, 8/13,9/11,10/8,10/17 are the only NW wind days from June 1st to
Nov.1,2001.
IN FACT, THE PLOTTERS WAITED FOR A CLEAR DAY
WITH A NORTHWEST WIND TO BLOW THE SMOKE PLUME ACROSS THE SOUTH TOWER FROM THE NORTH TOWER. ALL JUST TO HIDE THE MILITARY HELICOPER!! 9/11 WAS THE ONLY DAY
IN 9/01 WITH SUCH CONDITIONS. However, both the Saab Jet and the Military
helicopter were captured 'in the act' by the Naudet Brothers (Documentary '9/11', the firemen's video), a NBC news helicopter, and numerous video cameras.
IN ADDITION,ACCORDING TO THE SPANISH NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, DURING THE 2ND CRASH TWO CYLINDRICAL OBJECTS were observed along the bottom of the aircraft body. These bulges are incendiary bombs (IncBombs11.jpg)(750 lbs; 90-100 US gal napalm) that caused the enormous flaming clouds with the crashes.
newssearch.bbc.co.uk...
Napalm in use. Notice the flame color. Compare to WTC crash photos. Attachment Napalm ST.jpg
Specifications of Napalm Bombs (BLU-1/B):
www.designation-systems.net...
The smoking guns of 911 are the South Tower 737 and its remote-controllers, a Military helicopter and a Saab Jet.
www.rense.com... is a collage of photos of the South Tower Boeing 737 smoking gun for your enjoyment.
HERE IS MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON REMOTE CONTROL GROUND STATIONS. The 737,
757, and 767, being guided by 'fly by wire' instrumentation, which means
wires not hydraulic systems, could easily have their auto-pilot systems
compromised by a bolt-on remote control system such as the state-of-Art
Predator remote control system.
www.uav.com... General Atomics 'Remotely Operated
Aircraft Systems' The Predator is the prime example.
www.uav.com... The Control Stations are of 3 types:
1. GCS Ground control station With satellite capability
2. High Mobility Ground control station
3. Portable GCS.
I quote:" A portable GCS is also available, providing mobile units the
ability to control the aircraft and receive valuable intelligence from the
field." It is reasonable to believe that THE SAAB JET and the MILITARY
HELICOPTER served as portable control stations on 9/11.
Just curious what ya'll think of it.
This 911 Nutshell email was sent from a send-only email account.
IN PHOTOS OF THE BOTH CRASHES INTO THE WTC TOWERS the imprints were like 'two peas in a pod' so it is a safe assumption that both airliners were identical
737s. Holes compared.jpg
www.greatbuildings.com...
.Each side of the WTC towers is 208 feet with 60 pillars on 3.5 feet centers. A Boeing 737 wingspan is 95 feet. The measurement from the centerline of the 737 to the wingtip would be about 50 feet or 15 pillars on the wall face. (In contrast, a 767 has wingspan of 156 feet or about 45 pillars, from centerline to wingtip 22 pillars).
Looking at the crash imprints count the number of pillars from the center of the large hole to the right wingtip. The planes struck at an angle instead of straight-on so the left wing wall damage was caused by the wing coming across it where the right wing wall damage would be more of a direct hit and a more accurate measurement. A 737 would leave a 15 pillar right wing damage imprint.
FURTHER EVIDENCE that the '9/11' Boeing 767 airliners were switched with Boeing 737s:
www.boeing.com...
(1) Engines on 737 airliners are mounted on PODS, 767 airliners aren't on
pods. The 767 has a longer snout or nose ahead of the wings along with the engines closer to the wings than the 737.
Photos of the 767:
www.airliners.net...
www.airliners.net...
Photos of the 737:
www.airliners.net...
seattlepi.nwsource.com...
(2) Unlike a 767, a 737 is capable of 60-degree banking maneuvers (on one
engine!) Notice the 737 making such a maneuver as it crashes into the South
Tower.
(3) In an interview with a retired United aeronautical engineer, he said the
engine part seen in the documentary '9/11' on the street below the North
Tower after the first crash was not part of a 767 Platt & Whitney engine. Attachment engine3.jpg
Thus ruling out a 767 airliner.
www.sftt.org...
(4) The FBI issued a federal grand jury subpoena to an airline pilot for
purchasing a CD-ROM of 737 technical information on EBAY. Trying to clean up
737 technical information on the Internet obviously.
The UA engineer also mentioned that fuel is loaded on an aircraft so 45
minutes of fuel is left at the end of a flight for safety purposes. In normal
use a 737 is NOT capable of flying from Boston to San Francisco ANYWAY but
including the safety fuel for an extra 45 minutes of flight it definitely
would not be scheduled for a transcontinental trip. United Shuttle uses 737s
for short haul flights. The UA engineer calculated a trip from Boston to New
York City would normally take about 20 minutes. On 9/11 we are told it took
45 minutes. Where was the airliner that left Boston during the missing 25
minutes? Was there a unscheduled change in aircraft? Also where are the bodies of the passengers of these flights?
www.rense.com...
A prominent Spanish newspaper scientifically analyzed the photos of the 737
airliner as it approached the South WTC Tower AND FOUND:
(1) A bulge on the body under the right wing and
(2) two cylindrical objects along the bottom of the
aircraft. Attachments: Mystery airliner.jpg; airlinerST.jpg
THE BULGE ON THE BODY UNDER THE RIGHT WING is similar to the bulge on the
remote-controlled Predator used in military operations. Attachment predator4.jpg The UA engineer said ON THE PREDATOR the bulge is a cover for the radar antenna that receives signals from a control station for guidance.
FOR THE NORTH TOWER CRASH a Saab Jet (Attachment 1st.jpg) was the control
station, controlling the airliner as the Saab Jet flow directly above the
airliner in tight formation on the approach to the North Tower but separating moments before the crash by flying over the tower and leaving a sonic boom on the soundtrack of the documentary, '9/11'.
FOR THE SOUTH TOWER CRASH a military helicopter (Attachment helplume2.jpg)
positioned in front of the South Tower but hidden from ground view in the
smoke plume remote-controlled the airliner into the South Tower.
The Saab Jet function in this crash was to bring the airliner to Manhattan
Island and then turn over remote control to the Military Helicoper.
www.erh.noaa.gov... (NW wind=315,N=0 or
360) 6/16, 8/13,9/11,10/8,10/17 are the only NW wind days from June 1st to
Nov.1,2001.
IN FACT, THE PLOTTERS WAITED FOR A CLEAR DAY
WITH A NORTHWEST WIND TO BLOW THE SMOKE PLUME ACROSS THE SOUTH TOWER FROM THE NORTH TOWER. ALL JUST TO HIDE THE MILITARY HELICOPER!! 9/11 WAS THE ONLY DAY
IN 9/01 WITH SUCH CONDITIONS. However, both the Saab Jet and the Military
helicopter were captured 'in the act' by the Naudet Brothers (Documentary '9/11', the firemen's video), a NBC news helicopter, and numerous video cameras.
IN ADDITION,ACCORDING TO THE SPANISH NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, DURING THE 2ND CRASH TWO CYLINDRICAL OBJECTS were observed along the bottom of the aircraft body. These bulges are incendiary bombs (IncBombs11.jpg)(750 lbs; 90-100 US gal napalm) that caused the enormous flaming clouds with the crashes.
newssearch.bbc.co.uk...
Napalm in use. Notice the flame color. Compare to WTC crash photos. Attachment Napalm ST.jpg
Specifications of Napalm Bombs (BLU-1/B):
www.designation-systems.net...
The smoking guns of 911 are the South Tower 737 and its remote-controllers, a Military helicopter and a Saab Jet.
www.rense.com... is a collage of photos of the South Tower Boeing 737 smoking gun for your enjoyment.
HERE IS MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON REMOTE CONTROL GROUND STATIONS. The 737,
757, and 767, being guided by 'fly by wire' instrumentation, which means
wires not hydraulic systems, could easily have their auto-pilot systems
compromised by a bolt-on remote control system such as the state-of-Art
Predator remote control system.
www.uav.com... General Atomics 'Remotely Operated
Aircraft Systems' The Predator is the prime example.
www.uav.com... The Control Stations are of 3 types:
1. GCS Ground control station With satellite capability
2. High Mobility Ground control station
3. Portable GCS.
I quote:" A portable GCS is also available, providing mobile units the
ability to control the aircraft and receive valuable intelligence from the
field." It is reasonable to believe that THE SAAB JET and the MILITARY
HELICOPTER served as portable control stations on 9/11.
Here's something interesting. I found a link to a story on Dov Zakheim and what he was involved in before his post at Defense.
Aircraft Remote Control technology.
Guess what? The site's been scrubbed of it. Big surprise. That should speak volumes.
Here's what I found:
Remote Control of 9/11 Flights
Posted Jul 15, 2004 10:31 AM PST
Dov Zakheim just resigned as Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon, in charge of the military checkbook during a period when trillions of dollars wernt unaccounted for. But what is more interesting is what he was doing just BEFORE he was appointed by George Bush to the Pentagon.
Along with co-authoring "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" which was published by The Project for a New American Century in September 2000, exactly a year before 9/11, Dov Zakheim was CEO of a company that manufactures equipment to remotely pilot aircraft.
Somebody doesn't want anyone else seeing this. I still stand by my belief that those aircrafts were remote controlled into those buildings. The precision of hitting those targets were beyond what any one of those supposed hijackers were capable of, with possibly the exception of Atta. And, by the way, his own father came out in the media in the days after 9-11 and stated for the record, he had spoken to his son AFTERwards.
Aircraft Remote Control technology.
Guess what? The site's been scrubbed of it. Big surprise. That should speak volumes.
Here's what I found:
Remote Control of 9/11 Flights
Posted Jul 15, 2004 10:31 AM PST
Dov Zakheim just resigned as Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon, in charge of the military checkbook during a period when trillions of dollars wernt unaccounted for. But what is more interesting is what he was doing just BEFORE he was appointed by George Bush to the Pentagon.
Along with co-authoring "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" which was published by The Project for a New American Century in September 2000, exactly a year before 9/11, Dov Zakheim was CEO of a company that manufactures equipment to remotely pilot aircraft.
Somebody doesn't want anyone else seeing this. I still stand by my belief that those aircrafts were remote controlled into those buildings. The precision of hitting those targets were beyond what any one of those supposed hijackers were capable of, with possibly the exception of Atta. And, by the way, his own father came out in the media in the days after 9-11 and stated for the record, he had spoken to his son AFTERwards.
More info to add to the latest.
9/11 Family survivors complained the locked WTC rooftop doors killed people trying to exit upward to the roof.
www.ajc.com...
Among a host of questions, relatives of the dead want to know why the twin towers' rooftop doors were locked on Sept. 11. Some (28) workers were rescued from the north tower by helicopter during the 1993 trade center bombing.
Whether or not the doors were locked on Sept. 11, emergency officials have told commission researchers that heavy smoke and fire, along with a cluster of antennae on the north tower, would have made rooftop rescue virtually impossible.
``There is almost no possibility that anybody could have been rescued from the roofs,'' the person familiar with commission findings said.
Roof clear in this photo. (helplume.gif) NOTICE THE MILITARY HELICOPTER. It is in position over the South Tower waiting for the second airliner to arrive. With its remote-control capability it made the final aiming into the South Tower.
Of course a helicopter would blow smoke away also.
Only a 16 mph NW wind but enough to blow the smoke plume across the South Tower to try to hide the Military helicopter from ground observers.
www.erh.noaa.gov...
The KEY to 9/11 was getting a clear day with a NW wind. 6/16, 8/13, 9/11, 10/8, 10/17 were the only NW wind days from June 1st to Nov.1,2001 Would you say they failed to hide the helicopter? Ditto for the Saab Jet that was also seen in numerous videos from major media sources and the documentary, "9/11".
Small dot is the military helicopter that remote-controlled the Boeing 737 airliner into the South Tower and waited 59 minutes before using remote-control to set off cutter charges to cause the demolition of the South Tower. Obviously the plotters wanted the helicopter FREE to accomplish its mission of death and destruction WITHOUT WITNESSES. It wasn't there to save people; it was there to kill people and destroy the South Tower.
Learn to identify a military helicopter: (IDmilhel.jpg)
This photo (HelAct1.jpg) also shows the Military helicopter in position over and in front of the South Tower waiting to take over remote control of the incoming Boeing 737 from a Saab Jet that also had remote-control capability. The Saab Jet had previously remote-controlled another Boeing 737 into the North Tower 17 minutes earlier flying in formation right above it..
Need a CLOSE-UP SHOT?: (MHcloseup.jpg)
NBC PHOTO: (NBCshow.jpg) (Also 911-43.jpg ) Just hanging around for 59 minutes; then push the button by remote-control for the demolition charges for the South Tower.
THE FINALE: (911-44.jpg)
The Military Helicopter has pushed the button on the cutter charges by remote-control to start the demolition of the South Tower and heads to Base. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED No rooftop witnessess thanks to the locked rooftop doors BUT NBC WAS THERE AND YOU ARE SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME! Your tax dollars at work!
NOTE: A Boeing 737 airliner can be recognized by its distinctive engines on pods; the Boeing 767 has engines integral with the wings.
www.boeing.com...
Photos are screen captures from the excellent documentary, "9/11" and mpg videos from major media sources captioned on photos. CaptureXPro from www.cliprex was used for screen captures from mpg videos and WinDVD player software from www.intervideo.com was used for DVD screen captures. Mpg videos source at www.alltheweb.com VIDEO tab.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION:
www.erh.noaa.gov... (0 or 360 is North; 310 is NW)
6/16, 8/13, 9/11, 10/8, 10/17 were the only NW wind days from June 1st to Nov.1,2001.
The 9/11 plot required a NW wind to blow the smoke plume from the North Tower across the South Tower. The plan was to get a military helicopter with remote-control capability positioned above and slightly ahead of the South Tower in line with the oncoming airliner to make the final aiming into the Tower WITHOUT BEING SEEN. A Saab Jet brought the airliner to Manhattan Island by remote-control but being camera-shy handed off the final aiming to the military helicopter. After the crash the military helicopter waited around 59 minutes supposedly hidden by the smoke before it set off cutter charges in the South Tower to bring down that structure before departing during the commotion. However, both the Saab Jet and the Military helicopter were captured 'in the act' by the Naudet Brothers (Documentary '9/11', the firemen's video), a NBC news helicopter, and numerous video cameras.
9/11 Family survivors complained the locked WTC rooftop doors killed people trying to exit upward to the roof.
www.ajc.com...
Among a host of questions, relatives of the dead want to know why the twin towers' rooftop doors were locked on Sept. 11. Some (28) workers were rescued from the north tower by helicopter during the 1993 trade center bombing.
Whether or not the doors were locked on Sept. 11, emergency officials have told commission researchers that heavy smoke and fire, along with a cluster of antennae on the north tower, would have made rooftop rescue virtually impossible.
``There is almost no possibility that anybody could have been rescued from the roofs,'' the person familiar with commission findings said.
Roof clear in this photo. (helplume.gif) NOTICE THE MILITARY HELICOPTER. It is in position over the South Tower waiting for the second airliner to arrive. With its remote-control capability it made the final aiming into the South Tower.
Of course a helicopter would blow smoke away also.
Only a 16 mph NW wind but enough to blow the smoke plume across the South Tower to try to hide the Military helicopter from ground observers.
www.erh.noaa.gov...
The KEY to 9/11 was getting a clear day with a NW wind. 6/16, 8/13, 9/11, 10/8, 10/17 were the only NW wind days from June 1st to Nov.1,2001 Would you say they failed to hide the helicopter? Ditto for the Saab Jet that was also seen in numerous videos from major media sources and the documentary, "9/11".
Small dot is the military helicopter that remote-controlled the Boeing 737 airliner into the South Tower and waited 59 minutes before using remote-control to set off cutter charges to cause the demolition of the South Tower. Obviously the plotters wanted the helicopter FREE to accomplish its mission of death and destruction WITHOUT WITNESSES. It wasn't there to save people; it was there to kill people and destroy the South Tower.
Learn to identify a military helicopter: (IDmilhel.jpg)
This photo (HelAct1.jpg) also shows the Military helicopter in position over and in front of the South Tower waiting to take over remote control of the incoming Boeing 737 from a Saab Jet that also had remote-control capability. The Saab Jet had previously remote-controlled another Boeing 737 into the North Tower 17 minutes earlier flying in formation right above it..
Need a CLOSE-UP SHOT?: (MHcloseup.jpg)
NBC PHOTO: (NBCshow.jpg) (Also 911-43.jpg ) Just hanging around for 59 minutes; then push the button by remote-control for the demolition charges for the South Tower.
THE FINALE: (911-44.jpg)
The Military Helicopter has pushed the button on the cutter charges by remote-control to start the demolition of the South Tower and heads to Base. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED No rooftop witnessess thanks to the locked rooftop doors BUT NBC WAS THERE AND YOU ARE SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME! Your tax dollars at work!
NOTE: A Boeing 737 airliner can be recognized by its distinctive engines on pods; the Boeing 767 has engines integral with the wings.
www.boeing.com...
Photos are screen captures from the excellent documentary, "9/11" and mpg videos from major media sources captioned on photos. CaptureXPro from www.cliprex was used for screen captures from mpg videos and WinDVD player software from www.intervideo.com was used for DVD screen captures. Mpg videos source at www.alltheweb.com VIDEO tab.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION:
www.erh.noaa.gov... (0 or 360 is North; 310 is NW)
6/16, 8/13, 9/11, 10/8, 10/17 were the only NW wind days from June 1st to Nov.1,2001.
The 9/11 plot required a NW wind to blow the smoke plume from the North Tower across the South Tower. The plan was to get a military helicopter with remote-control capability positioned above and slightly ahead of the South Tower in line with the oncoming airliner to make the final aiming into the Tower WITHOUT BEING SEEN. A Saab Jet brought the airliner to Manhattan Island by remote-control but being camera-shy handed off the final aiming to the military helicopter. After the crash the military helicopter waited around 59 minutes supposedly hidden by the smoke before it set off cutter charges in the South Tower to bring down that structure before departing during the commotion. However, both the Saab Jet and the Military helicopter were captured 'in the act' by the Naudet Brothers (Documentary '9/11', the firemen's video), a NBC news helicopter, and numerous video cameras.
Looks like most of the team has had their fill, but if anybody's still reading I'm hoping we can get back into action
I'm Tom, Earthtone invited me on a few days ago.
If you'll think back to the Coleen Rowley whistle blowing letter, you'll remember that her SSA at FBI HQ had "almost deliberately" prevented the acquisition of a criminal search warrant which could have lead to the discovery of all 20 hijackers. My primary role is going to be to research the names, actions, and connections of that SSA and other specific conspirators.
His name was turned up by a quick run through Lycos, and I was surprised to find out that there hasn't been too much coverup of his identity, even though it was edited out of the official version of Ms Rowley's letter, which would have been 13 pages if released in full.
His name is David Frasca, and after his monumental failure in the Moussaoui investigation and subsequent lying to congress with the help of Spike Bowman (which eventually raised the ire of Senator John Edwards in 2002), he was promoted to become the FBIs head counter-terrorism officer.
www.salon.com...
Rowley's whistle blowing letter refers to the Phoenix office of the FBI having knowledge of several specific terrorists attending a specific flight school. This knowledge was shared with David Frasca and should have immediately been recognized as important to the Moussaoui investigation.
I realize that the following source demands very little respect due to his frequent use of caps, childish rhetorical questions, profanity, and uncited sources, however I have used his lengthy rant as a source of names and events to search for legitimate sources on.
newsfollowup.com... (forgive me that this link no longer works. I copied it out of my browser and have not the faintest clue what has changed in the last 5 minutes)
So obviously I looked up Kenneth Williams to see if he was the author of the Phoenix memo, and just what it was that the memo said, if it isn't classified. Unfortunately it IS classifed, but a good objective article on it can be read here. slate.msn.com... and this article again states that 8 specific individuals at a specifically named flight school were known to have ties to Al Qaida, and should have been survielled. It was not recommended that they be taken into custody, however that was legally possible with the existing information, and questioning could have yielded information on 2 9/11 hijackers who attended that flight school in prior months and had moved on.
There is a single declassified paragraph linked to from that site. The paragraph says that the FBI should establish liasons with flight schools in all locations where FBI offices are near flight schools, and that the FBI should obtain visa information on all foreign flight students. I have not quoted directly because the document is scanned, not typed, so I can't copy and paste. This, if acted upon, would have given further support to the already sufficient case for granting a criminal search warrant of Zacharias Moussaoui's computer.
The conclusion so far is that David Frasca ought to have been charged with 3000 counts of man slaughter for his neglect of his duty which resulted in the failure to stop 9/11. It is even possible to suggest that he was a knowing accessory to murder. Now the question is how far does the failure go?
To answer this question I will be researching Mueller and his predecessor, and taking a few random stabs into conspiracy theorists sites in an attempt to gather the names of other agents to research. In addition, I will be checking up on Spike Bowman, who testified along with Frasca to the senate, and was accused along with Frasca of misrepresenting the Moussaoui investigation, by Sen. John Edwards.
Vagabond out
I'm Tom, Earthtone invited me on a few days ago.
If you'll think back to the Coleen Rowley whistle blowing letter, you'll remember that her SSA at FBI HQ had "almost deliberately" prevented the acquisition of a criminal search warrant which could have lead to the discovery of all 20 hijackers. My primary role is going to be to research the names, actions, and connections of that SSA and other specific conspirators.
His name was turned up by a quick run through Lycos, and I was surprised to find out that there hasn't been too much coverup of his identity, even though it was edited out of the official version of Ms Rowley's letter, which would have been 13 pages if released in full.
His name is David Frasca, and after his monumental failure in the Moussaoui investigation and subsequent lying to congress with the help of Spike Bowman (which eventually raised the ire of Senator John Edwards in 2002), he was promoted to become the FBIs head counter-terrorism officer.
www.salon.com...
At a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Thursday, Sen. John Edwards raised concerns that Frasca, head of the FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit, intentionally misled Senate Judiciary Committee staff in a January briefing about the case of Zacharias Moussaoui.
Frasca and Spike Bowman, the bureau's associate general counsel for national security affairs, met with Judiciary Committee staff in January to brief the staff about the Moussaoui case. "Based upon that briefing, I actually felt reassured about the vigor with which the Moussaoui investigation had been conducted," Edwards said. But he added, "There are some things that have come to light since that time that I was not told about."
Rowley's whistle blowing letter refers to the Phoenix office of the FBI having knowledge of several specific terrorists attending a specific flight school. This knowledge was shared with David Frasca and should have immediately been recognized as important to the Moussaoui investigation.
In all of their conversations and correspondence, HQ personnel never disclosed to the Minneapolis agents that the Phoenix Division had, only approximately three weeks earlier, warned of Al Qaeda operatives in flight schools seeking flight training for terrorist purposes!
I realize that the following source demands very little respect due to his frequent use of caps, childish rhetorical questions, profanity, and uncited sources, however I have used his lengthy rant as a source of names and events to search for legitimate sources on.
newsfollowup.com... (forgive me that this link no longer works. I copied it out of my browser and have not the faintest clue what has changed in the last 5 minutes)
Williams wrote that the senior Qaeda Abu Zubaydah "had telephone contacts with at least one" of the 8 Arab students at Prescott Flight School in Phoenix whom Williams investigated...
"Government officials said [...] that Kenneth Williams [...] had sent the memorandum directly to the attention of Mr. Frasca. Mr. Frasca was also the liaison in Washington for the Minnesota field office�s requests about Mr. Moussaoui."
So obviously I looked up Kenneth Williams to see if he was the author of the Phoenix memo, and just what it was that the memo said, if it isn't classified. Unfortunately it IS classifed, but a good objective article on it can be read here. slate.msn.com... and this article again states that 8 specific individuals at a specifically named flight school were known to have ties to Al Qaida, and should have been survielled. It was not recommended that they be taken into custody, however that was legally possible with the existing information, and questioning could have yielded information on 2 9/11 hijackers who attended that flight school in prior months and had moved on.
There is a single declassified paragraph linked to from that site. The paragraph says that the FBI should establish liasons with flight schools in all locations where FBI offices are near flight schools, and that the FBI should obtain visa information on all foreign flight students. I have not quoted directly because the document is scanned, not typed, so I can't copy and paste. This, if acted upon, would have given further support to the already sufficient case for granting a criminal search warrant of Zacharias Moussaoui's computer.
The conclusion so far is that David Frasca ought to have been charged with 3000 counts of man slaughter for his neglect of his duty which resulted in the failure to stop 9/11. It is even possible to suggest that he was a knowing accessory to murder. Now the question is how far does the failure go?
To answer this question I will be researching Mueller and his predecessor, and taking a few random stabs into conspiracy theorists sites in an attempt to gather the names of other agents to research. In addition, I will be checking up on Spike Bowman, who testified along with Frasca to the senate, and was accused along with Frasca of misrepresenting the Moussaoui investigation, by Sen. John Edwards.
Vagabond out
Welcome to the team Tom, great to have you here. Hopefully we can jumpstart this project a little.
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
GLOBAL HAWK is remote-controlled aircraft, for anyone unfamiliar w/it.
Global hawk:
Dimensions
Length: 44.4 feet
Wingspan: 116.2 feet
Height: 15.2 feet
The Global Hawk shape does fit the shape of the white object captured. Due to the poor quality of the images and the speed (over 500mph) that the object was travelling, you could expect distortion of the image. This means that it could be unreliable to examine the hsapein this way, but it seems to have been cuaght clearly as a white object not relating to the shape or size of a 757.
This is contrary to a large number of eye whitness accounts.
THere is a possiblity that removed frames from the camera tape was removed. Some analysis has shown this.
Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film."
Did confusion arrise from the fact that other aircraft were apparently flying low just before the attacks.
This one appears to be taking a dive(s).
A Lockheed C-130H HERCULES was also present. According to the pilots account, he followed the 757 until it struck the pentagon at which point he was ordered to leave. He then claims that he saw the wreckage of the downed flight in PA after leaving Washington to land. This was later changed, he said he actually saw the plane moving around violently in the air before crashing. Very strange how this gun ship and electronic warfare device was apparently at two of the four crashes.
"They told us to turn and follow that aircraft _ in 20-plus years of flying, I've never been asked to do something like that. With all of the East Coast haze, I had a hard time picking him out. " - Minneapolis Star-Tribune September 11, 2002:
It seems that the c-130 has performed every mission possible for a transport plane, from cargo carrier to flying hospital, as well as unusual task such as the aerial recovery of spy satellite films. The type has been been fitted out as a gun ship, electronic warfare platform
Strange how this gun ship and electronic warfare device was apparently at two of the four crashes.
www.highgallery.com...
Another interesting piece of testimony.
Then a supersonic boom from somewhere in the sky hushed the playground and Yeannakis hauled the kids into the basement.
news.nationalgeographic.com...
So it seems there was alot more air traffic during the attack than people would think. At this point air traffic had been grounded.
[edit on 12/9/2004 by earthtone]
Continuing on from my last video analysis, accepting the white plume as smoke, then that would make this shape.
Adistinct tail is visible which could be attributed to a 757, however if the tail were there then the plane would stick out, and thats simply it. The white object isn't a 757, and the tail piece does not fit the size of a 757. The other side of the argument is that the camera simply could not catpure the 757 at that speed, but it did capture something. Does white smoke come out the back of a 757 usually ?
An explanation for the white smoke is that the engine collided with an object or fence, and was damadged in some way.
[edit on 7/9/2004 by earthtone]
[edit on 12/9/2004 by earthtone]
Adistinct tail is visible which could be attributed to a 757, however if the tail were there then the plane would stick out, and thats simply it. The white object isn't a 757, and the tail piece does not fit the size of a 757. The other side of the argument is that the camera simply could not catpure the 757 at that speed, but it did capture something. Does white smoke come out the back of a 757 usually ?
An explanation for the white smoke is that the engine collided with an object or fence, and was damadged in some way.
[edit on 7/9/2004 by earthtone]
[edit on 12/9/2004 by earthtone]
If that black tail section that can be seen is the aircraft then you only have to do a simple thing to show that it shouldn't work if it was a 757. I
have attempted to get the tail the right size, it is pretty close. Even with the difference of my error you can see that it is too small.
[edit on 11/9/2004 by earthtone]
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This is my first post on the research forum so if I get something wrong please coreect me.
Anyway, I found a site detailing all the hijackers of the seperate planes.
This means that the terrorists used those stolen identities to try and fool the U.S Government into going on a manhunt for innocent people.
This plan did not fool the U.S Government:
According to www.whatreallyhappened.com... there were five hijackers on the aeroplane that crashed into the World Trade Center and 3 of the five hijackers are confirmed to still be alive, one of them is confirmed dead and one is rumoured to still be alive but is unconfirmed.
Satam M.A. Al Suqami, Confirmed Dead
Waleed M. Alshehri, Confirmed Alive
Wail M. Alshehri, Confirmed Alive
Mohamed Atta, Rumoured to be Alive
Abdulaziz Alomari, Confirmed Alive
The above images are mugshots of the five hijackers under their stolen identities, but if they are using fake IDs then have we got the right people?
Anyway, I found a site detailing all the hijackers of the seperate planes.
Originally found on www.whatreallyhappened.com...
CNN reported that the men who hijacked the aircraft used phony IDs containing the names of real people living in Arab nations in the middle east.
This means that the terrorists used those stolen identities to try and fool the U.S Government into going on a manhunt for innocent people.
This plan did not fool the U.S Government:
Even the FBI says there is no evidence to link the above men to the 9/11 hijackings.
So, one fact is apparent. If those who hijacked the 9/11 airplanes were using stolen identities, then we don't know who they were or who they worked for. We can't. It's impossible.
According to www.whatreallyhappened.com... there were five hijackers on the aeroplane that crashed into the World Trade Center and 3 of the five hijackers are confirmed to still be alive, one of them is confirmed dead and one is rumoured to still be alive but is unconfirmed.
Satam M.A. Al Suqami, Confirmed Dead
Waleed M. Alshehri, Confirmed Alive
Wail M. Alshehri, Confirmed Alive
Mohamed Atta, Rumoured to be Alive
Abdulaziz Alomari, Confirmed Alive
The above images are mugshots of the five hijackers under their stolen identities, but if they are using fake IDs then have we got the right people?
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