Proof of explosive devices (the media coverage they don't want you to see)

Sorry - this is all conjecture from eyewitnesses that are trying to formulate answers from lack of knowledge.

Then others so eager to believe leap on these accounts as factual evidence. What you have is accurate account of an eyewitness speculating to the cause of what they heard - that's all. It's like an Elvis sighting.

The reason I complain is because he uses numerous examples that aren't worthy for pushing for a controlled demolitions case. Starting with the very first video, and then the other questionable ones used go downhill from there. I'm not dismissing all of them, but roughly half of them shouldn't be in there.

Originally posted by Spoodily
Peter Jennings was murdered. He was the most prevelant reporter on tv for 9-11 and after. I think he went almost 3 days straight.

Then he did a primetime special on UFO sightings, and now he's dead...

So black ops agents killed him with lung cancer?
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
The reason I complain is because he uses numerous examples that aren't worthy for pushing for a controlled demolitions case. Starting with the very first video, and then the other questionable ones used go downhill from there. I'm not dismissing all of them, but roughly half of them shouldn't be in there.

I am not here to force my views on to others like some people do on here.

I am here to share my opinion and share information.

People can take what they want from the video, that's the point of free will.

I am just glad that many people get to see it and form their own opinions and my personal goal is to raise awareness, not build a case.

I already have my opinion on the subject and i thought this video would be a good video for people to see so therefor i made a thread for people to see it.

Not everyone makes identical processed threads. This thread was just sharing a video that demonstrated evidence of explosives. That is all, nothing more.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Originally posted by Spoodily
Peter Jennings was murdered. He was the most prevelant reporter on tv for 9-11 and after. I think he went almost 3 days straight.

Then he did a primetime special on UFO sightings, and now he's dead...

So black ops agents killed him with lung cancer?
en.wikipedia.org...

He had lung cancer at the time of death, yes. Who better to get rid of than the ambassador of news coverage for 9-11. Imagine if he was still around today with all the information coming out. He might get to thinking and then talking. He did do a UFO special as his finale.

Originally posted by Palindari
Sorry - this is all conjecture from eyewitnesses that are trying to formulate answers from lack of knowledge.

Then others so eager to believe leap on these accounts as factual evidence. What you have is accurate account of an eyewitness speculating to the cause of what they heard - that's all. It's like an Elvis sighting.

Eyewitness testimony gets people convicted all the time. The testimony is also then and there testimony, not a week later when their memories change a little.

Originally posted by selfless
I am just glad that many people get to see it and form their own opinions and my personal goal is to raise awareness, not build a case.

The video is out to build a case.

You're posting the video. It apparently confirms your beliefs.

If something is out to build a case, it shouldn't "poison the well", which this and most others like it that I've seen do.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
If something is out to build a case, it shouldn't "poison the well", which this and most others like it that I've seen do.

That's your opinion, nothing more.

Just like my opinion that the video is adding more evidence to a growing series of evidence suggesting explosives.

I'm going to take a look, might have seem it before.

What I am thinking is we need a photo of the wiring and explosive
from a closet or area known to be from the towers.

Who would take this picture, the installers might.

These guys were left unchecked to do the work, thats awful
trusting.

Well if they didn't do it right they knew what would happen to them.

Something like an airline ticket into a tower.

I left this:
teslaandlyne (14 seconds ago) marked as spam
Fear of the truth or of the government?
Government. So explosions needed more than airliners filled with thermite. See any security rewiring lately?
You got to find those guys first to prove anything.


[edit on 5/17/2007 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by selfless

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
If something is out to build a case, it shouldn't "poison the well", which this and most others like it that I've seen do.

That's your opinion, nothing more.

Just like my opinion that the video is adding more evidence to a growing series of evidence suggesting explosives.

So if knowledge is based on facts, then it is still an opinion?

en.wikipedia.org...

No it's a matter of fact.

It actually does add some new examples, which is a fact. For you it might be your opinion, but there's hardly a shred of video that I dont have yet, and in there are some new bits.

It's a fact that many of the examples used in this and it's predessors aren't proper for demonstrating a case for actual explosives. It's too bad he didn't number each example so that we could actually go down the list. Many of the testimonies are actually referring to their perception of their point of view of when the tower collapses began, for example.

This new video includes many of these. I've seen worse.

You have to remember that most people wont want to believe there were explosives, and when you include sketchy examples those people will focus on the easy ones and then disregard the rest. Sketchy examples that ultimately serve this purpose are poison pills.


[edit on 17-5-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

It is your OPINION that the evidence doesn't hold water, FOR YOUR PERSONAL TASTE.

It is FACT that you are not the ruler of opinions.

That's the end of it.



[edit on 17-5-2007 by selfless]

Well if someone isn't irrational.

OK, another example... at one point a newcaster says how the towers didn't fall on accident. Is that evidence, or moreover, PROOF as your thread title stated? No, that's one mans opinion, sorta like if you said the same. That's not evidence, and, it not being evidence is a fact. Therefore, I can say that some of the clips used were improper, and it be a matter of fact. That's an easy example, and that in itself debunks your binary knee-jerk statements here. If you've spent a great deal of time watching and reading the full accounts and statements (in full, not just the cherry picked half of paragraphs that mention explosions), you'll learn that not quite all of the ones used in these montages are worthy of being solid evidence. If you haven't, then when people interupt you like I did you'll call their 'claims' 'opinion', because your arguing from ignorance.

Be sure to read about what an opinion is.

[edit on 17-5-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Well i am tired of trying to make you realize you are not a dictator IIB, and it stops right now.

Take care.

www.rense.com...

Just an article that offers evidence of explosives.

Subjective.



[edit on 18-5-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by selfless
Well i am tired of trying to make you realize you are not a dictator IIB, and it stops right now.

Dude what are you talking about?

Whenever you get caught debunked you always call me a dictator.

Get your arguments and logic in order and you can almost always be right. Without such you'll be wrong almost (and offended) all the time.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Whenever you get caught debunked you always call me a dictator.

You most certainly did not debunk anything.

You passed off your opinion as fact and misinterpreted that as debunking.

You see, this is why I call you a dictator.

you force your opinion onto others and in a delusional haze you confuse your personal opinion as the absolute fact while in reality that is just you trying to dictate your state of mind onto others.

So please, stop dictating your views onto others and accept the FACT that opinion is SUBJECTIVE.

Gees i can't believe i even have to tell you this.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Without such you'll be wrong almost (and offended) all the time.

Personally i don't care that you think the evidence i presented is wrong. I put it out there for people to view it for them selves and make up their own minds about it.

I am not offended by you, not even in your wildest dreams.

I am just not gonna let somebody FORCE their OPINION onto me.

You can think whatever you want about the video IIB but DO NOT tell me what I should think about it.

If you can't comprehend my stand on why i don't appreciate dictators and you continue to force your opinions onto me, I will put you on ignore because i have no time to deal with arrogant dictators.

EDIT: Actually, that was the last time i had to endure a dictatorship on this forum.

You have added IgnoranceIsntBlisss to your Ignore List.

Thank you and good bye.



[edit on 18-5-2007 by selfless]

I think the problem at this juncture is that you seem to be viewing the entire video as one piece of actual evidence, where I view it as a compilation of multiple pieces of potential evidence. My view in that regard isn't opinion, because in fact that's what we're dealing with.

I tried being reasonable and explained that not all of the pieces are in fact evidence, but never said that none of them were. My point was that there are certain clips in there tha tpoison the well, so to speak, and I provided a couple loose examples. Instead of rationally beg to differ, you choose to label what I said as OPINION, and label me as a dictator for trying to teach you how to critically and logically think just like the last tiem you were flamming my thread because I put to rest a theory you had adhered to.

It would seem that in your view there is no possible way people can ever listen to anyone, because no matter how right and factual someones words are, they're opinions no matter what. Had you read the link to opinion that I provided perhaps there didn't have to be such an irrational response form you once again. Now if you'd like to understand how to think logically and ratioonally, and as a result actually have some credibility and people listen to you, check out these links:
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I wonder if you viewed all of your teachers in school as dictators? If so, I wonder how much you actually learned?

Good luck ignoring me. I tried doing that when you kept repeatidly flaming my thread and shouting your support for that troll who did the same.

Originally posted by selfless
You can think whatever you want about the video IIB but DO NOT tell me what I should think about it.

If you can't comprehend my stand on why i don't appreciate dictators and you continue to force your opinions onto me, I will put you on ignore because i have no time to deal with arrogant dictators.

[edit on 18-5-2007 by selfless]

Arrogant dictator? I'm confused here, a dictator wouldn't be so thoughtful and cordial in expressing his/her difference of opinion.

Also "opinion" paraded around as "facts" is not going to sway my thinking as much as a discussion with actual evidence that can traced to it's origin and confirmed.

Remember the Pentagon security camera film? I don't think you can trace it back to the DOD, which denies releasing it. So to use it to explain a theory falls into the realm of what IIB is trying to say.

So following the logic of the previous posts on here....

The State Department, the FAA and the Treasury Department buildings were all bombed on 9/11....after all the media all ran reports of bombs at those buildings as well...........

I mean it must be true right? Since according to some of the other posts its the FIRST reports that are the most accurate.................