WTC Nuclear Demolition - New Video

I watched the Nuke videos the other day. Just ran into them. Only found this thread today. I thought it would be as good an explaination as any. There was still thermite to cut the main supporting beams. The thing (towers) were so well built, that it would still take a big shock to get it moving. Once it got going it would keep falling. The video I watched showed beams that were bent in a way that could only happen if they had been jubjected to heat a lot more intense than any fire could have produced. To buy into the official government version requires a suspension of disbelief.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
reply to post by mad scientist

 

So again I ask, what ever happened to those firefighters that described what they did? Anyone know?

watchZEITGEISTnow

Nothing happened to them. They just said is sounded like explosives going off, which is exactly what floors collapsing onto each other would sound like. There is no smoking gun there lol.

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So you don't know where they are of if they had a written statement about what they heard, you don't think this constitutes evidence? Something that could not only help your cause, but prove times with sounds, and then explain exactly what those "boom boom boom"s were?

I thought eye witness testimony was a given? Perhaps the law has changed that if you hear someone scream at the scene of a near by crime for example, that your testimony could help either the defence or the prosecution?

Once again I ask ANYONE, does anyone know of those firemen and where they are today? Thanks for that in advance.

watchZEITGEISTnow

[edit on 2-1-2008 by watchZEITGEISTnow]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow


Once again I ask ANYONE, does anyone know of those firemen and where they are today? Thanks for that in advance.



[edit on 2-1-2008 by watchZEITGEISTnow]

The exact firemen on the video I am unsure but it would be very good to chase them up and get more information out of them if that was your intent.

There are dozens of interviews of the firefighters and hundreds of testimonies taken after 9/11. They are amazing to read if you ever get a chance, incredibly damning yet terribly haunting. Some are obviously more telling than others.

But its incredibly sad because you know there are so many sick from this. I am not sure of exact figures or anything but I have heard that anywhere from hundreds to thousands of people are very sick from being in proximity to ground zero on 9/11 many of which look like illnesses suffered by survivors in the proximity of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and a portion of which have died since from the effects.

Basically people working on the pile at ground zero and in the immediate area have been dropping like flies since 9/11 and its effects certainly haven't stopped yet and don't forget these people take their stories with them.


[edit on 3-1-2008 by Insolubrious]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
reply to post by mad scientist

 

So you don't know where they are of if they had a written statement about what they heard, you don't think this constitutes evidence? Something that could not only help your cause, but prove times with sounds, and then explain exactly what those "boom boom boom"s were?

They said it sounded like it, not that it was. If I say a volcanic eruption look like a nuke, it doesn't make it one. Those booms were the floors colapsing onto one another, this has been established many times.

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I dont think you understand my question to you (or anyone for that matter). :

WHERE ARE THOSE FIREMAN FROM THAT VIDEO TODAY? (The "boom boom boom" guys). Names?

I don't care what you think they meant, I wouldn't mind asking THEM their own accounts as they were there, you and I were not. Again, you too should be looking for these key witnesses so you can use what they said/think to your arguement, and not speculate what you think they meant.

watchZEITGEISTnow

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
I don't care what you think they meant, I wouldn't mind asking THEM their own accounts as they were there, you and I were not. Again, you too should be looking for these key witnesses so you can use what they said/think to your arguement, and not speculate what you think they meant.

I am just saying exactly what they said in that video. Also if you want to find them why don't you canvas the fire department instead of trying to get someon else to do it for you.

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I know what they said in the video. Maybe I should search for them, now where would you start if you were me to help find the firemen in question?

watchZEITGEISTnow

I've said this before on other threads, so apologies to those who have read it before. For those who haven't had this mentioned to them, I just wanted to suggest that they look at any video slo-mos of the collapse of either tower and notice that the wreckage as it falls is trailing smoke all the way down. Just pick out one piece of wreckage and follow it down. This is no ordinary collapse. Was it nukes? I dunno, but I know it wasn't collision plus jet fuel. No way.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
I've said this before on other threads, so apologies to those who have read it before. For those who haven't had this mentioned to them, I just wanted to suggest that they look at any video slo-mos of the collapse of either tower and notice that the wreckage as it falls is trailing smoke all the way down. Just pick out one piece of wreckage and follow it down. This is no ordinary collapse. Was it nukes? I dunno, but I know it wasn't collision plus jet fuel. No way.

How many collapses of 1400'+ buildings have you witnessed previously to compare it with though to know what to expect. These were unique events so maybe next time we'll have a better idea and I certainly hope there isn't another event of that scale to prove what we saw was actually normal for the circumstances.

reply to post by Pilgrum

With all due respect your response to my post would be a great part of a defense attorney's sumation or a spin doctor's attempt to fuzzify and mudify a discussion but it doesn't come anywhere near to addressing the issue I raised.



[edit on 3-1-2008 by ipsedixit]

Originally posted by ipsedixit
With all due respect your response to my post would be a great part of a defense attorney's sumation or a spin doctor's attempt to fuzzify and mudify a discussion but it doesn't come anywhere near to addressing the issue I raised.

I'm not attacking your perception of it - perceptions are a personal individual thing. I didn't see anything involving technology other than gravity no matter how many times I saw it replayed whether normal or in slow motion. I mean it was massive, horrendous, jawdropping scale destruction but I can't see anything involving foul play in the way the buildings fell.

Don't look like a nuke demo, if there is one. Surely thousands of tons of steel would push and tear concrete apart. Similar to throwing a concrete block to the ground. And thats just your hands.

Originally posted by mad scientist
Ahh yes Sam Cohen the same person who claims this :

Cohen later went on to claim that 100 of these mini-nukes were in the hands of terrorists [1], and later that Saddam Hussein had taken delivery of about fifty of these devices, which he planned on using against the US forces as they approached Baghdad. Obviously the later claim turned out to be untrue.
en.wikipedia.org...

You really should watch out about quoting people to discredit them when it comes to Iraq and their WMDs dontcha think?

the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised…. Under [UN] Resolutions 678 and 687 — both still in effect — the United States and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction.

www.fff.org...

President Bush

Not sure about his credibility.

Same can be said about Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, etc., no?

And what I was getting at with the whole potential energy of loose sand vs. a solid piece of quartz is that the solid piece (which everyone wants to equate the towers as when calculating this humongous energy source) will have a greater impact force than loose sand.

Edit: Changed silicon to quartz.

Don't believe me? Drop a 50 lb. bag of sand on your head vs. pouring a 50 lb. bag of sand on your head. Which would hurt worse?

[edit on 1/3/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by Pilgrum
I'm not attacking your perception of it - perceptions are a personal individual thing.

No Pilgrim, perceptions are not a personal individual thing. (For a detailed rebuttal of this point ask any traffic cop.) If you can't see smoke trailing from the wreckage as it falls, all the way down, you need a trip to the optometrist's.

I didn't see anything involving technology other than gravity no matter how many times I saw it replayed whether normal or in slow motion. I mean it was massive, horrendous, jawdropping scale destruction but I can't see anything involving foul play in the way the buildings fell.

How about the near free fall speed? I mean the whole building gave up like Newton's apple!

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread. I just wanted to make my observation.

Originally posted by Pilgrum
How many collapses of 1400'+ buildings have you witnessed previously to compare it with though to know what to expect. These were unique events so maybe next time we'll have a better idea and I certainly hope there isn't another event of that scale to prove what we saw was actually normal for the circumstances.

So the buildings--two of them, which fell almost identically, even though they were really really really big, and therefore suspended the rules of logic and physics because they were just so So SO B.I.G. (!)--were so big that well, they were unique in how they fell, though there were two that fall, and they fell pretty much almost identically.

So I won't think critically about them falling at near freefall speed, because even though they had the huge core structures holding them up, they were also the biggest buildings to ever fall down, and their size just makes logic obsolete, irrelevant. Forget that the concrete and much of the building contents turned to microfine dust as the buildings were falling because this is an obvious result of really really big buildings collapsing, since they were the only ones that did that, actually. Never mind that it would be impossible for the concrete to be beaten to microfine particulate simply by collapse--these buildings were B.I.G. and that explains it all!

Likewise with structural steel members streaming grey smoke as they fell from the gravity-driven collapses--this was because the buildings were so So SO big that their structure, though it was steel, was set afire and spewed smoke as it fell. Really big buildings just do that. We have proof--two of them, both really big, actually did that when they fell--so it must be true.

Size does matter, right? Sheesh.

[edit on 3-1-2008 by gottago]

Originally posted by ipsedixit
No Pilgrim, perceptions are not a personal individual thing. (For a detailed rebuttal of this point ask any traffic cop.) If you can't see smoke trailing from the wreckage as it falls, all the way down, you need a trip to the optometrist's.

Maybe an observation is a better word to use but I don't necessarily see just smoke with all that fine white dust from pulverised sheetrock and concrete in the cloud they fell through.
Those falling chunks are very large, large enough to create a decent slipstream as they fell through the dust cloud.

Just my observation though

reply to post by gottago
Not sarcasm

Don't get me wrong
I know I'd be as enthusiasticly greeted as an anal discharge in a crowded elevator if I came to a conspiracy forum claiming there was no conspiracy. I firmly believe there is a conspiracy/coverup but it's nowhere near being on the scale of nuclear weapons in crowded cities

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Alot of eye witnesses testified behind closed doors. There testimony was never made public or entered into the official report. The documentry with the most testimony from people inside the towers before and after the plane strikes is 9/11 Mysteries.
Provided link: video.google.com...


[edit on 4-1-2008 by Osyris]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
I know what they said in the video. Maybe I should search for them, now where would you start if you were me to help find the firemen in question?

If these guys have been as badgered by amateur investigators & reporters as I think they were, nothing short of a subpoena is likely to get another word out of them.