Why is Jesus getting a Bad Rep?

Hmm...I've read quie a few interesting threads on why Christ didnt exist, why his name is a curse and why he's the anti-christ...but where is the proof? Is it based on opinions or is there proof from a reputable author that can back up the claims?

The Atheists argue with opinions, so theres no proof in their words. Non Christians argue with opinions and ancient text...but the same ancient texts can disporve any argument.

I just find it kinda weird that no one disputes the Virgin Mary, and nearly every religious branch mention her and the emaculate conception. So its obvious that Jesus existed. I have never heard of any ancient writing saying the Anti-Christ came from a virgin. That'd be oxymoronic.

I hear Ancient Talmud texts list him as a drunkard, sorcerer and sex maniac? If that's the case, then why is King David exalted along with his son Solomon who had 700 wives + 300 or more concubines? Did they not share the same characteristics?

I dunno...maybe the ancient writers are writing about Simon Magus who shared the same traits and told people he was the Christ and Son of God, which Peter and Paul disputed.
www.biblegateway.com...:18-24
or for a better transation try
www.newadvent.org...

The same writers who tore the Christ apart, are the same ones who couldnt dispute the Adam's and the Archangel Michael's chronology of the coming Christ.
Adam's Chronology to Seth
[CHRONOLOGY]

From Adam to the Flood was 2262 years.
From the Flood to Abraham was 1015 "
From Abraham to the Exodus from Egypt was 430 "
From the Exodus to Solomon and the building of the Temple was 400 "
From Solomon to the First Captivity, which Nebuchadnezzar led away captive 495 "
From the First Captivity to the prophesying of Daniel was 180 "
From the prophesying of Daniel to the Birth of our Lord was 483 "
[5265] "
All these make 5345 years (sic).
www.sacred-texts.com...

And Michael's Chronology in Chapter XII

For after his passion, we the chief of the priests, because we marvelled at the signs which came to pass on his account did open the Bible, and searched out all the generations unto the generation of Joseph, and Mary the mother of Christ, taking her to be the seed of David: and we found that from the day when God made the heaven and the earth and the first man, from that time unto the Flood are 2,212 years: and from the Flood unto the building of the tower 531 years: and from the building of the tower unto Abraham 606 years: and from Abraham unto the coming of the children of Israel out of Egypt 470 years: and from the going of the children of Israel out of Egypt unto the building of the temple 511 years: and from the building of the temple unto the destruction of the same temple 464 years: so far found we in the Bible of Esdras: and inquiring from the burning of the temple unto the coming of Christ and his birth we found it to be 636 years, which together were five thousand and five hundred years like as we found it written in the Bible that Michael the archangel declared before unto Seth the third son of Adam, that after five thousand and a half thousand years Christ the Son of God hath (? should) come.

The years maybe off a little due to the fact, Adam didnt keep a calender so Time was lost on his account, but the events are the same. I don't know guys...what do you think? Why are people villanizing Christ all of a sudden?

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Virgin Mary, and nearly every religious branch mention her and the emaculate conception. So its obvious that Jesus existed.

It is like in ufology, people want proof, something physical. Christian insiders always quote the scriptures and claim that as proof. I think the closest thing we have is the Shroud. No tomb, not anything. At least with Mohamed there is a tomb and maybe other stuff.

Because of all the negative propaganda they digest from TV and media. Some say it's a plan to destroy the church, some say it's awakening and new awareness.

Jesus wanted people to realize good is inside them so, one way or another, he loves even those who blaspheme his name. This is why he is Christ and i know he was a nice man, kind to others and shared all his knowledge with them.

I also would like to add some people who understand Satan are not like satanists you know from the media but more like pagans, respecting nature and cosmos.

Originally posted by Judaz_Escariot
Hmm...I've read quie a few interesting threads on why Christ didnt exist, why his name is a curse and why he's the anti-christ...but where is the proof?

well, i don't know about the curse part or the anti-christ part... but saying that jesus didn't exist isn't something that requires proof. it's called asking for proof. it's the burden of someone claiming the existence of something to prove it.

Is it based on opinions or is there proof from a reputable author that can back up the claims?

well, there is a documentary entitled "the god who wasn't there" that does a good job on the existence of jesus.

The Atheists argue with opinions, so theres no proof in their words.

you're kidding, right? atheists are the only ones that attempt to bring proof. hell, we even bring up your own religious text as proof that jesus was a mythic figure.

I just find it kinda weird that no one disputes the Virgin Mary, and nearly every religious branch mention her and the emaculate conception.

"nearly every"? where is it in buddhism, jainism, hinduism, zororastrianism, and confuscianism? that's just a small fraction of asia right there.

So its obvious that Jesus existed. I have never heard of any ancient writing saying the Anti-Christ came from a virgin. That'd be oxymoronic.

what? a bunch of religions agree on something therefore it's true? that makes absolutely no sense.

how about this, you show me a single source that was written during the life of jesus that mentions him, then i'll say there's some weight to the argument that jesus existed.

Thank you for responding.

Madnessinmysoul, In the Aquarian Gospels, which is more accurate than the KJV, Jesus went to India and China to learn and proof of his existence is in some of their texts under the name Prophet Isa. The Gospel of Thomas (who went to India after Christs death) also backs up the theory as well as his temple in India.

Mary Magdala is listed as one who turned Pagans and Wiccans towards Christianity. When put to the test, they asked could her God give the Kings wife a baby even in her old age. When she said it was possible, and the Queen conceived, thus ending Paganism in some eastern countries.

As for "the god who wasn't there"...is the author reputable? Did he/she win any awards to prove their greatness with the pen, or is it a Dan Brown "Da Vinci Code" hyped theory?

I'm not trying to attack Athiests, but the ones I've encountered always say "What proof do you have of his existence?" And i always respond with "What proof do you have that he didnt exist?" And I still havent gotten a answer, just theories.

So in response to your question, I ask, if a bunch of Athiests got together and said that he didnt exist, does that make it right? Even the ones who hated Jesus the most didnt deny his existence, They just portrayed him as a villian (like the Talmud)

Originally posted by Judaz_Escariot

In the Aquarian Gospels, which is more accurate than the KJV, Jesus went to India and China to learn and proof of his existence is in some of their texts under the name Prophet Isa. The Gospel of Thomas (who went to India after Christs death) also backs up the theory as well as his temple in India.

This would probably explain the 'absent years' not covered/recorded in the bible.

*From the age of 12/13 yrs. to 30 yrs of age.*

Surprisingly, for a most worshipped individual in the Christian faith, Jesus seemed to 'fall off the face of the earth'; RE: The ages that I stated above.

Absolutely no recorded documents from anyone, including his disciples or followers?

Judaz_Escariot, those are theories about his life, not documents written during the life of the supposed living being jesus.

I did a little digging around, and found this at sacred-texts.com, concerning the "Aquarian Gospel"...

This book is an extensive reworking of the Jesus story with strong Theosophical and Spiritualist influences. Of interest is the attempt to fill in the two decade gap in the Jesus's traditional biography. According to Dowling, Jesus spent a lot of time in the mystical East where he learned esoteric methods from the masters, while rebelling against the caste system. The narrative, unfortunately, has numerous historical inconsistencies, including Jesus meeting historical figures who lived hundreds of years before or after the first century, e.g. Mencius. The book has Jesus studying in India in the Orissa area; while this is an historically important ceremonial area, it didn't come into prominence until nearly a millenium later.

....groooovy, man! Jesus was a regular Indiana Jones, travelling the world over in search of adventure. My favorite part is where that stone door slams down, nearly amputating Jesus as He snatches up His trusty crown of thorns in the nick of time.

I told you man

quote: This book is an extensive reworking of the Jesus story with strong Theosophical and Spiritualist influences. Of interest is the attempt to fill in the two decade gap in the Jesus's traditional biography. According to Dowling, Jesus spent a lot of time in the mystical East where he learned esoteric methods from the masters, while rebelling against the caste system. The narrative, unfortunately, has numerous historical inconsistencies, including Jesus meeting historical figures who lived hundreds of years before or after the first century, e.g. Mencius. The book has Jesus studying in India in the Orissa area; while this is an historically important ceremonial area, it didn't come into prominence until nearly a millenium later.

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Judas, forget that stuff its not the truth

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A lot of folks are asking, "Satan, why are you jumping in on these religious topics? Cause we knows that you be the devil, and you evil, and you hated Jesus. What could we possibly learn for you?"

It's like this. The world is so full of evil, in the hearts of men, that it's like home here.

Think about it Judas (Love the name, an old friend) you can say anything negative about Jesus you want, but most people are afraid to diss Mohammad, or mess with the jewish faith because the wrath of these people will come down on your head.

Everybody knows that I knew Jesus personally. Here's why the world hates him. Because everything you need to know about God, can be found in the personality of the Christ Jesus. He never spoke of hatred or revenge, he spoke of Love of God, neighbor, and self. He was a vegitarian, unless he was in the home of a family that offered him meat to eat. And in those situations, he ate what was put before him, as was the custom of men of God, so as not to offend them.

Looking into the eyes, and heart of Jesus, which was an open book to anyone willing to meet and speak to him, was like speaking to God. He conducted himself perfectly before men, and women for that matter. All this business about Jesus and Mary Magdalene is just a load of crap. Jesus was raised an Essene, and if you are familiar with this sect, you'll know what Jesus daily life was like, before he began his mission.

But even the Essenes became a bunch of blowhards, which is why Jesus's family left them. And yes, as alluded to in the Aquarian Gospels, Jesus spent a great deal of time traveling to Egypt, India, Greece, the Himalayas, etc., learning, teaching, and getting his spiritual groove on.

During his mission, He spoke of the kingdom of heaven being in your heart, not between the pages of a book. The reason there is so little written from his desciples, or Jesus is because he told them the written word was not important. He told them if they Perfected their lives in the love of God, in the service of your neighbors then you could see God in your heart.

He knew that men would worship the words on paper over the real spiritual connection that each of you have with your Mother/Father God.

Jesus did not teach from scriptures, He was scripture in the spirit, and transformed his flesh into the same following his murder at the hands of both Jews, and Romans.

Ok, so I screwed up. I played my part in the whole mess. My fate is set, because for most of my existence I have been a butthead. But that doesn't mean that I can't recognized the truth once it hits me in the face. And the truth is, that no other prophet was as perfectly aligned with the will of God as Jesus.

Once Jesus and his desciples had temporaily left this plane of existance, that's when we went to work to discredit the truth - to make it more complicated. Over the years we have had many partners, but none as great as the "Roman" (The guys who crucified him) Catholic Church, (Constatine was with us) and subsequently all forms of religion that promote the so-called word of God contained within books that they created.

In them you will find truths, mixed with lies, which basically makes the whole thing useless, as evidenced by the state of this world, and of religion in general.

The path is truly narrow for those who seek God in spirit. And you won't find either Jesus, or your God, between the covers of a book.

Where are you getting that anyone is "villanizing" Christ? I think that you are falling into the same trap that mainstream Christians fall into with the idea that a crticism of the institution of Christianity is equatable to a criticism of Christ. IT IS NOT!!

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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Where are you getting that anyone is "villanizing" Christ? I think that you are falling into the same trap that mainstream Christians fall into with the idea that a crticism of the institution of Christianity is equatable to a criticism of Christ. IT IS NOT!!

exactly! even those like richard dawkins still consider themselves "atheists for jesus" (there is quite an amusing picture of dawkins wearing a shirt that says such). many of the teachings of jesus aren't bad.... especially if you exclude the spiritual stuff.

Jesus gets a 'bad rap' because hardly anyone follows his example but every tom dick and harry christian use his name to cover their own.

Luke 6:46
"Why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do what I tell you?

LOVE your neighbor as YOURSELF
JUDGE NOT
TURN the OTHER CHEEK
Keep your conversation with God PRIVATE
Do not LIE AGAINST one another
Seek NOT wealth but RIGHTEOUSNESS and justice
FEED the POOR

The #1 cause of atheism/lack of faith in God is CHRISTIANITY.

Imagine that.

well this is an easy one

first Jesus said he was the only way to heaven

there is 4 or 5 billion who reject him right there

that people must admit they are sinners and ask forgiveness

and then if they become Christian they must proclaim the gospel

and guard against false prophets and teachers

because anything that is not for the Gospel and Christ is against him

and we tell it like it is in scripture

Its no surprise, Jesus said we would be hated because we belong to him
He warned us it will get even worse

Gays hate us because the scripture is against their doctrine and their ways
and says they must admit they are wrong and ask forgiveness

something many a loathed to do sadly

and do not forget almost all the wolfs in sheep's clothing on tbn
and elsewhere begging for money and wearing diamonds
like any other sector Christianity is not immune to scam artists
who go out in its name proclaiming garbage and deceiving many
Popes who started wars in the name of God and yet were doing just the opposite of what he wanted

Branch dividians, who did not read the scripture for them selfs but followed koresh to the fire

Jonestown sheeple who did the same



thats why the bible is so important, as it is the cornerstone of sound doctrine

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Blame the bible for the down fall of Christianity.

A religion that the only prof it has come from a book made by man and supposedly divinely inspired with not more prof historically of their most important person existence and the icon of their believes makes it highly debatable.

It takes a lot of faith to be a sound believer so do not expect others to follow so easily.

really?

how do you explain this--

The Mathematical Odds of Jesus Fulfilling Prophecy

"The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability.

Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to eight prophecies, ‘we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 1017."

That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000.

In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep. Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state.

Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one?

Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man."

Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in 10,00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 000,000,000

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lol, well SatansQue
People are talking bad about Mohammad and the Jewish Talmud. Remember, the new pope not too long ago said that "Islam isn't a real faith and Mohammad wasn't real" or something like that. He caught a lot of flack for that.

And dont get the Christians started with the Jewish Talmud...thats where the villanizing of Christ comes in.

marg6043, Dont all religions come from a book? Not only does the bible mention Christ's existence, so does the Qu'ran and the Talmud. So there are Three Major Books that discuss his lifestyle, though the Talmud rips him a new one. People who claim to be a Christian

queenannie38, I agree with you. People who like to judge and not be judged, use Christ's name in vain to protect themselves. As a Christian myself, thats the one thing I WILL point out about the hypocricy in the Christian faith. Most of them will point fingers at others and not themselves.

madnessinmysoul, my buddy...who in the world is Richard Dawkins? Is he even worth Googling?

And SpeakerofTruth, I was browsing through some of the Threads and alot of people are villianizing the poor guy. Thats why I'm asking. And you hit the point well when you say "mainstream". Anyone mainstream in a religious sect becomes one-sided and defensive. Thats why they fall into traps because they go into topics with rage and blind folds.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Jesus gets a 'bad rap' because hardly anyone follows his example but every tom dick and harry christian use his name to cover their own.

If Jesus gets a bad rap, then that is probably one of the reasons. I haven't seen many people revile the name of Jesus though.



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Judaz, Richard Dawkins is an atheist. I don't really know enough about him to give you a value judgment of him. I let them have their beliefs and I have mine and leave it at that.

Originally posted by Judaz_Escariot
madnessinmysoul, my buddy...who in the world is Richard Dawkins? Is he even worth Googling?

richard dawkins is a leading evolutionary biologist, zoologist, and atheist. his recent bestselling book "the god delusion" has been everywhere, i'm surprised you've never heard of him. of course, he has also written other books such as

The Selfish Gene
The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design
The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution
A Devil's Chaplain: Reflections on Hope, Lies, Science, and Love
The Extended Phenotype: The Long Reach of the Gene
Unweaving the Rainbow
River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life
and
Climbing Mount Improbable

he was recently voted britain's leading intellectual