Philip J. Corso

Originally posted by plumranch

Orig. by Tom Bedlam
For example, Corso claims all semiconductors came from Roswell, IIRC. False! Semiconductor diodes existed before 1947.

I never heard Corso say that all semiconductors came from Roswell. Corso claimed to be involved in a back engineering project not every back engineering project. Was Roswell the first and only crash?... probably not. Who is to say that Corso and his group didn't push a lot of projects over the edge into production?

You would, if you were conversant with the technology and its history.

And without going back to read it, I'm pretty sure he claims the transistor itself came from Roswell. Which is crap.

Um, also from memory, didn't he say something on the order of "before we discovered fiber optics on the craft, it was unheard of to think of light being able to travel in an object like water through a pipe !!11!!"

Which is also BS. Not only was it heard of, the principle was understood. And I think the Greeks had the first demonstration, which was light flowing through a tiny stream of water from a bucket.

Almost every example he uses in the book has a basis predating Roswell.

Not only that, but for most things I can think of, there wasn't some revolutionary leap that suddenly produced a new device. There are a few things I can think of that don't make sense to me how you got there, but damn few.

Originally posted by Knight783
Sorry if its already been posted, Ive been lazy and am at work, but i thought it was quite well established that Corso was a disinfo agent??? As was Friedman?

"Pretty well established"? Where do you get this. A disinformation agent is a person who is intentionally filling the issue with lies designed to confuse, correct? WHERE and when has Friedman ever done this. Evidence, please.

Originally posted by timb3r

This is more interesting than the Corso tale. Please, if you wouldn't mind, could you elaborate?

Hrm. I had a sort of unusual CV coming out of school, and a government agency made a job offer. I went to the pitch, did the tour, got to talk to some employees, I thought it over carefully and my wife said "no", so I turned them down.

They had the pitch tuned carefully to match the type of person they were recruiting, and as what I can only suppose was part of the "pitch for engineers" they put in about an hour with a very interesting and much more plausible story than Corso gives. Partly because it makes more sense the way they told it, and was a lot more limited in scope.

But they never said it was Roswell, or aliens, nor did they ever imply it, just that the history of some technology was not as I had been led to believe. And it wasn't point-contact transistors and night vision goggles they were talking about. All I can say is that what little they said made sense from both a technical and historical perspective. Not that I believed their story hook, line and sinker either, it was a real obvious hook "and if you take this job, you'll find out the real story!". Riiiiight.

If you took the story and recast it with aliens and velcro, it's creepily similar to Corso's technical explanations.

by Tom Bedlam
If you took the story and recast it with aliens and velcro, it's creepily similar to Corso's technical explanations.

So would you say that your potential employers were implying that they had access to materials that needed to be back engineered? That they were not revealing the source? I would imagine that the need to know policy would apply for hands on engineers.

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by Tom Bedlum
You would, if you were conversant with the technology and its history.
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You and I were not present in those labs to see what went on every day, every hour. If they had a piece of advanced teck there to look at it would not necessarily be refected in their logbooks if they had any. I know that scientists cover for each other and swear that they did it all and how could we ever think that they didn't and get all indignant, etc. but... permit me to doubt! I also have scientific credentials.
What is it that if I "were conversant with the technology and its history I would then know"? Are you keeping something from us we should know? Just wondering!

Colonel Philip Corso is the prime whistleblower on reverse engineering. A career officer of outstanding reputation and intel experience, he situates the Roswell crash in the middle of the Cold War with first hand testimony. The hysterical paranoia about the commies was tangible -- imagine what a downed spacecraft with extraterrestrial entities in it must have done to the psyche of the military at that time. Make no doubt about it: Corso's book is an absolute must-read (it's on eMule in PDF version, by the way).

As usual, debunkers use details from a whistleblower's story to cast a bad light on its totality. The technology that came from the Roswell and other crashes got dispersed to affiliated companies. You can't expect Corso to be universally knowledgeable about the result.

Although Stanton Friedman has done good research on Roswell, he has also vehemantly and quite irrationally debunked two people: Philip Corso, and Bob Lazar.

Extraterrestrial craft have been recovered, studied and copied for 60 years (1947-2007). Expect the black technology that leaked from this to be indistinguishable from ET material. Expect the military and security agencies to setup fake hostile alien attacks in order to legitimize their imperialist insanity to outer space.

This has been in the cookbooks for half a century. During a 1955 (!) speech at West Point, General Douglas MacArthur told assembled cadets: "The next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets."

Originally posted by plumranch

So would you say that your potential employers were implying that they had access to materials that needed to be back engineered?

Not exactly, more like that around that time frame, things weren't quite what they seemed or were related to the public to be, in terms of certain technological developments.

Originally posted by plumranch

You and I were not present in those labs to see what went on every day, every hour. If they had a piece of advanced teck there to look at it would not necessarily be refected in their logbooks if they had any. I know that scientists cover for each other and swear that they did it all and how could we ever think that they didn't and get all indignant, etc. but... permit me to doubt! I also have scientific credentials.

Sure, doubt all you want. All I can say is, if you're able to follow the fairly boring and dry details of technological development, it all makes sense and has a flow to it, before and after Roswell.

There are some things, like I said, that you look at it and just shake your head, I don't believe in the "I went into the lab and set this up and look what happened" stories, a lot of them are from Russia, oddly enough, which we subsequently made very productive and entertaining use of. But I still don't understand how they got where they did.

What is it that if I "were conversant with the technology and its history I would then know"? Are you keeping something from us we should know? Just wondering!

Well, yes.

But not where the aliens are. Alas.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam

Originally posted by plumranch

So would you say that your potential employers were implying that they had access to materials that needed to be back engineered?

Not exactly, more like that around that time frame, things weren't quite what they seemed or were related to the public to be, in terms of certain technological developments.

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why would that be?
just curious as to why the truth cannot be told, or must be spun, or altered or even lied about>

National Security?>

Originally posted by Thodeph
Colonel Philip Corso is the prime whistleblower on reverse engineering. A career officer of outstanding reputation and intel experience, he situates

Is this an ad for the book or something? I think we're way beyond the dust jacket here, fella, if you've read the previous posts.

It's no ad talk, it's genuine respect towards this man. Something wrong with that?

Corso's introduction to his book 'The Day After Roswell' can be consulted online
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It's useless discrediting Corso. There numerous whistleblowers out there who worked on reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology.

Read the excellent article from SEAS Power. "OUTSIDE THE BOX" SPACE AND TERRESTRIAL TRANSPORTATION AND ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE 21st CENTURY

Originally quoted by Tom Bedlam

Not exactly, more like that around that time frame, things weren't quite what they seemed or were related to the public to be, in terms of certain technological developments.

Can we establish then, Tom, that you have something to hide, that you won't tell us?

Originally posted by Thodeph
It's no ad talk, it's genuine respect towards this man. Something wrong with that?

Corso's introduction to his book 'The Day After Roswell' can be consulted online
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I'm really sorry, but citing the book as a defense of the book amounts to ad talk. There's nothing new here that enhances anything about Corso.

Originally posted by junglelord
just curious as to why the truth cannot be told, or must be spun, or altered or even lied about

Jeez, there's all sorts of things that can't be told. I don't know of any that relate to little green spindly aliens.

As to why, well, sometimes you look at it and can't figure out why that's an issue. I just go along. I've seen classified screwdrivers, for example.

Other stuff you really don't want out.

Originally posted by plumranch
Can we establish then, Tom, that you have something to hide, that you won't tell us?

Sure. Not about aliens, I'm sorry to say.

Most of it's pretty humdrum though. I think what you'd be shocked about would be less the content and more that someone bothered classifying it.

Originally posted by schuyler
I'm really sorry, but citing the book as a defense of the book amounts to ad talk. There's nothing new here that enhances anything about Corso.

Hey, why not? Begich cites his own book as proof of his book's claims. I thought it was sort of standard procedure for this sort of thing.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
Jeez, there's all sorts of things that can't be told. I don't know of any that relate to little green spindly aliens.

As to why, well, sometimes you look at it and can't figure out why that's an issue. I just go along. I've seen classified screwdrivers, for example.

Other stuff you really don't want out.

I can think of a couple things.

First I would be -very- reluctant to let out that you can 'weaponize' various biological agents. (Why they did, I can't fathom...)

Next, if there's a technological 'trick' that you've uncovered, say by some rare accident, you don't want to let out either what it is or how to get on the path to find it.

A trivial example is the guy who created the car stunt for James Bond. He said the physics are involved and precise, plus there's a trick to the stunt that will die with him.

Last, I think if people really thought about it, they'd realize that 'aliens' who would be able to come to Earth would not have technology that we -could- back-engineer.

For instance it could either be nano-tech, and incomprehensible, or it could be similar to 'biological-mechanical' that we would not be able to disassemble. I can only come close on this suggestion because as Clarke said 'it would be stranger than we -can- imagine'. Primarily, though they'd probably be millions or billions of years more advanced than we are to be able to come here in person.

To have technical equipment that we could 'use' would imply that the 'aliens' would be somewhat humanoid.

An alien that had completely different physiology would likely have completely different needs. Just as you can't have a human-sized insect due to the problems of collapsing under its own weight, you are most likely not going to be able to 'adapt' alien technology to humanoids.

To the other extreme, heh, according to Betty Hill, her aliens were intrigued by false teeth and zippers.

(Oops, looks like it wasn't Arthur C. Clarke that said that after all - Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine. Sir Arthur Eddington English astronomer (1882 - 1944) )

You guys seem to miss the point that all of the technology Corso claimed we received from Aliens can easily be explained how they were really invented and discovered by humans here on Earth. There has already been one documentary I have seen that points people in the right way of who really invented certain technologies. I am sure that even if you did some real research on your own you would find that the technologies that Corso described DID NOT come from Aliens, but from our own human brains...

Quoted from Badge01
Last, I think if people really thought about it, they'd realize that 'aliens' who would be able to come to Earth would not have technology that we -could- back-engineer.

Don't you think that we are capable of back engineering "Lazar type" propulsion and going out to nearby stars? If we can do that then they could do the reverse and come here using similar technology. Technology of the simpler type that we could back engineer. I agree that there is probably plenty of stuff out there to complex for our present state of engineering. Also, couldn't simpler types be coming from our solar system?

By diplomat

You guys seem to miss the point that all of the technology Corso claimed we received from Aliens can easily be explained how they were really invented and discovered by humans here on Earth.

I think the point you miss, diplomat, is that a lot of people think that people like you that say we humans did it all are trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Even if Corso is proven a fraud that doesn't prove that back engineering is not done by our government. Mater of fact it would be unwise not to in order to maintain our technological superiority in military and space.
We hear report after report of recovered vehicles swept away quickly by black ops. What are we supposed to believe? That they store them away and do nothing with them? Permit me to doubt!