Is this True about Mormons

Just a question,

I recently found out that a work friend is a Mormon. I mentioned this to another friend and they said that Mormons are inherently racist and believe that Indians are scotched brown as punishment by God. Is there any truth to this??

I heard they think that if they do enough good work they get to be a god of their very own planet.

Originally posted by mustbebc
I mentioned this to another friend and they said that Mormons are inherently racist and believe that Indians are scotched brown as punishment by God. Is there any truth to this??

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Originally posted by T0by
I heard they think that if they do enough good work they get to be a god of their very own planet.

Yes.

But Joseph Smith got the teaching from the FreeMasons who got it from the Ancient Khemetians, Tantrikas, Gnostics, Brahmins, etc.:

Cosmocreator

An awakened cosmic intelligence capable of creating a planet or sun.

An Elohim.

It is taught that any Buddha-Essence can climb the Tree of Life and Be an Elohim.

As far as I can tell, the Modern Gnostic Movement are the only ones openly teaching how to accomplish this in a very direct manner.

The Mormon Church may secretly teach it to their Initiates, although I doubt it:

The Aquarian Message

Even conventional Christians ignorantly and fanatically follow Javhe(Chief of Demons, not to be confused with Jehovah). Nevertheless, they all hide behind the cross.

All Religious organizations which are presently known in this physical world that do not teach the path of Scientific Chastity are controlled by the Black Lodge.

When they know about Scientific Chastity and they do not teach it, it is because such organizations fell into the hands of Javhe.

[edit on 9-5-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu
"I heard they think that if they do enough good work they get to be a god of their very own planet."

Yes.

But Joseph Smith got the teaching from the FreeMasons who got it from the Ancient Khemetians, Tantrikas, Gnostics, Brahmans, etc.:

Gee how did I miss the whole "God on my own Planet" thing during my 20 years of Masonry ?

Your post are always interesting and entertaining but sometimes I think you are either very gullible or not in touch with reality.

Originally posted by RWPBR
Gee how did I miss the whole "God on my own Planet" thing during my 20 years of Masonry ?

Your post are always interesting and entertaining but sometimes I think you are either very gullible or not in touch with reality.

Where else would Joseph Smith have learned about this teaching?


Remember that contemporary Masonry is much different than the FreeMasonry of over 150 years ago:

The Immaculate Conception

"All the principle tools of (Free)Masonry serve in order to work with the stone. Every Master Mason must chisel well his Philosophical Stone. This stone is the Sex. We must build the temple of the Eternal One upon the Living Stone (and not build on sand)." – The Perfect Matrimony (p.305)


Masonic lodges were keepers of this knowledge of The Great Arcanum before degenerating into elitist social clubs that lost the meanings of their own symbols and rituals.


The alchemical symbol of the rock is reinforced by Mithra’s demonstration of shooting arrows into a rock in order to bring forth water. This is the same lesson exhibited by the Jewish savior Moses when he strikes a rock with his staff to bring forth water. For it is within the “stone” of Yesod, the sex, that the waters of life are found.

This is the key to the mysterious black stone of the Qa’abah (dedicated to the Arabian Divine Mother Al-Uzza, particularly revered by the tribe to which Mohammed belonged). This is the secret of the sacred stone from which the sword (of the Kundalini) is drawn by the one true King (Arthur, the Intimate)...

And:

Gnosticism vs Paulinism [Apostle Paul] = JESUS

Gnosis is the name of the ancient initiatic wisdom present among all the elevated civilizations. The aztecs, egyptians, mayans, tibetans, chaldeans, etc., etc. all knew and practiced Gnosis, the Christic Doctrine. This is why it has been said that Gnosis is beyond politics, because real Gnosis is the complete knowledge that descends from the superior worlds. It is men who create politics, religions, dogmas and theories.

Throughout our history there have been many vessels of the Christic Doctrine. All religions, countries, schools, and movements are subject to the laws of nature: they are born, they grow, develop, degenerate and die. For some time the ancient Masons carried the pure teaching. But like all the great religions, their time came to an end, and the teaching degenerated into its modern form.

Do not confuse modern Freemasonry with Gnosis. Understand that Freemasonry, many many years ago, knew Gnosis. But now they do not. (Even as recent as 250 years ago some masons knew the real Gnosis; for example, some of the founders of America knew it).

Real Gnosis is now being delivered by the students of Samael Aun Weor. Eventually, that movement will be replaced by a new one, in accordance with the developmental needs of the human beings.

Regarding all of this, I found this quote for you, from The Pistis Sophia Unveiled:

The psychological aggregate of fear must be radically eliminated from our nature.

The existence of fear is impossible in the Logos.

Fear serves as a base for many errors...

The aspirants flee and part from the real Path because of fear...

[edit on 9-5-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu

Remember that contemporary Masonry is much different than the FreeMasonry of over 150 years ago:

First off let me say that when it comes to dead religions you are the mac daddy and the first person I would come to with questions.

Yes present day Masonry is different than it was 150 years ago but not in the way you think. I have in my collection Masonic monitors from 1811 to the 1840's and ritual commentary pamphlets from 1801 to 1860. What I see is a very didactic, instructional, demonstrative teaching that slowly gets more esoteric "windows dressing" as the 1800's progress. It seems to have gathered a full head of steam from about the 1850's to the late 1950's when things became more subdued.

What you interpret as "true" masonry didnt exist prior to 1800 and didnt really become popular until mid century. 1850 to 1950 is the golden age of "Masonic Hermeticism/Esoterica" which, coincidentally is about the time frame of the books you like to use as references.

In all honesty however my collection is almost all American Masonry but I have read material in the Masonic Library in Philadelphia dating from the 1750's onward from the UK that is similar in content.

BTW are you connected with the gnosticteachings.org website ? I enjoy reading it.

Gee...I never felt that I was racist. The whole "mark of Cain" or the dark skin thing is deep deep doctrine that most LDS members don`t get into. And it`s not that we get to be Gods of our own planets, it`s that if we follow our prophet, hold to the teachings, etc. we get to be as our Heavenly Father, as he was at one time like us. He is our only God. He created our universe and us in his own image and as any father would with his children wants us to have eveything he has and is. Some people don`t understand that, but if you look at it any good father teaches their children everything they know so they can take on that knowledge and live to their fullest. If we do all that then yes we become as God.

Hello

what about Adam being the Son of God and do the Mormons reject Christ?

peace

Gee how did I miss the whole "God on my own Planet" thing during my 20 years of Masonry ?

We're talking about Mormons

[edit on 9/5/07 by mustbebc]

hey Kilswitch just a couple questions your doctrine also says that upon marrige you and a partner get a secret name. and that only the husband knows both names. The wife does not know the husbands, thats a little wierd but how can you not accept that Jesus was God in the flesh? (im asking you, i have previously asked missionaries and they did not want to comment on the question)

ok is it true that you think they are three seperate entities up in heaven?
1 God, the one true God
2 Jesus, the savior of mankind
3 the holy Ghost

now if you believe that, why in the Bible does it say Jesus says "I and the Father are One" or " I am the Way and the truth and the life noone gets to the father except through me" and my last one for right now Jesus also says " Before Abraham was, I AM" I Am wasnt that what God said in the Old testament for describing HIMSELF? but Jesus says this because he is indeed the God made flesh as it says in John 1:1, 14

[edit on 10-5-2007 by followerofchrist]

Originally posted by mustbebc
Just a question,

I recently found out that a work friend is a Mormon. I mentioned this to another friend and they said that Mormons are inherently racist and believe that Indians are scotched brown as punishment by God. Is there any truth to this??

The Book of Mormon states that the ancestors of the Indians were indeed cursed by God for various sins and that their skin was darkened as a mark of this. That does not by any means indicate that there is anything wrong with Indians today, even though they are still the same colour.

Originally posted by TOby
I heard they think that if they do enough good work they get to be a god of their very own planet.

The belief is that if you live a good life and make it to heaven, that this is part of the reward that you get, so yes. Killswitch also explained that part pretty much dead on.

Originally posted by NJE777
what about Adam being the Son of God and do the Mormons reject Christ?

Adam is a son of God, but not the Son of God. All human beings are children of God, in Mormon belief.

The Mormons accept Christ. We believe in the Bible and in the Book of Mormon, both of which profess belief in Christ. The full name of the Mormon Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", and we would be unlikely to adopt the name of Christ in our church's name if we didn't believe in him! :p

Originally posted by followerofchrist
your doctrine also says that upon marrige you and a partner get a secret name.

and that only the husband knows both names. The wife does not know the husbands,

You are extremely unlikely to get any Mormon to comment on this because it refers to the sacred rituals that occur in the Mormon temples, which out of respect are not discussed outside the temple. I will state, however, that to the best of my knowledge, the second half of that quote is false, but I'm not married, so I don't know for sure.

but how can you not accept that Jesus was God in the flesh? (im asking you, i have previously asked missionaries and they did not want to comment on the question)

Jesus was the Son of God, making him a God in his own right, but he is not the same being as God the Father. See next point for more.

ok is it true that you think they are three seperate entities up in heaven?
1 God, the one true God
2 Jesus, the savior of mankind
3 the holy Ghost

We do indeed believe in the Trinity as three separate and distinct entities.

Jesus says "I and the Father are One"

We believe he is talking about them being one in purpose and goal, not one physically.

" I am the Way and the truth and the life noone gets to the father except through me"

Jesus died for our sins, and if it wasn't for that, we wouldn't get to the Father's presence in heaven.

Jesus also says " Before Abraham was, I AM"

We believe that all beings, including Jesus, existed with God before they were born on Earth. We also believe that Jesus was the being referred to as God in the Old Testament. To use a crude analogy from the business world, Jesus is the manager of Earth and God the Father is the owner and founder. So, according to our belief, Jesus was indeed describing Himself before He was born in the flesh. The same reasoning would apply to the verses you mention from John.

None of this is meant to start an argument, it is merely meant to set forth Mormon beliefs. I am, however, rather surprised that missionaries wouldn't have answered the question about Jesus and God, unless they just didn't know, which I also would find surprising. I can understand why they wouldn't want to discuss specifics of temple ceremonies, though, and other than to speak in generalities, you won't learn much about temple ceremonies from a Mormon. They'll tell you we do things like get married there, but they won't tell you the specifics.

Originally posted by mustbebc

"Gee how did I miss the whole "God on my own Planet" thing during my 20 years of Masonry ?"

We're talking about Mormons

[edit on 9/5/07 by mustbebc]

Yes but he (Tamahu) said Joseph Smith learned this from the Freemasons.
That is what I was refering to.




[edit on 10-5-2007 by RWPBR]

I thought that Joseph Smith learned his 'teachings' from, in his words, god himself.

Didn't he say that he had tablets that only he was allowed to look at? And that they were either given to him or dictated to him by god?

I have heard people say, generally those that are not of the Mormon faith so how they know I haven't a clue, that Mormons believe that blacks are fallen angels. I am not an expert on Mormonism, but I seriously doubt they believe such a doctrine. It sounds more like mainstream Christianity attacking those who don't believe exactly as they do again. It happens over and over and over and over again.

[edit on 10-5-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by mustbebc
Is there any truth to this??

They certainly did have some rule/doctrine that disallowed blacks from being part of their clergy. They changed this sometime in the 70s IIRC.

Like superman, they also have special underpants, but wear them on the inside

[edit on 10-5-2007 by melatonin]

RWPBR


I'll see if I can address the bulk of your post sometime soon...


But for now...:

Originally posted by RWPBR
BTW are you connected with the gnosticteachings.org website?

No.

I don't know what they believe, but if that South Park episode I watched is true, then it's pretty effed up.

Originally posted by followerofchrist
hey Kilswitch just a couple questions your doctrine also says that upon marrige you and a partner get a secret name. and that only the husband knows both names. The wife does not know the husbands, thats a little wierd but how can you not accept that Jesus was God in the flesh? (im asking you, i have previously asked missionaries and they did not want to comment on the question)

ok is it true that you think they are three seperate entities up in heaven?
1 God, the one true God
2 Jesus, the savior of mankind
3 the holy Ghost

now if you believe that, why in the Bible does it say Jesus says "I and the Father are One" or " I am the Way and the truth and the life noone gets to the father except through me" and my last one for right now Jesus also says " Before Abraham was, I AM" I Am wasnt that what God said in the Old testament for describing HIMSELF? but Jesus says this because he is indeed the God made flesh as it says in John 1:1, 14

[edit on 10-5-2007 by followerofchrist]

We believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are seperate entities. It only makes sense. I mean, who was Jesus praying to in the Garden of Geseminy? Himself? Who was he talking to on the cross? Who was running things for the 33 years he was on Earth?

As for durring marriage I really don`t want to get into that. Most devout members of the Church will not discuss that with non-members as a privacy issue. No offense.

Originally posted by mustbebc
Just a question,

I recently found out that a work friend is a Mormon. I mentioned this to another friend and they said that Mormons are inherently racist and believe that Indians are scotched brown as punishment by God. Is there any truth to this??

Looks like their ancestors were struck brown on account of cursing. Bet the little Onandagua Madonna's didn't want to put the split crotch bloomers on.

After marriage it's only split crotch bloomers for the fraus, married women are allowed to wear only a type of boxer short with a split crotch as underwear. License for the husband whose pleasure with her obedience insures her entry into heaven. Unmarried wenches aren't fit - they need to be split crotched and husbanded into it.

[As described by Deborah Laake in "Secret Ceremonies."]

[edit on 11-5-2007 by clearwater]

Thank you guys I have enjoyed your answers now i have a couple more questions.

and Kilswitch do you believe God is everywhere? or do you believe that God can do anything? if you answered yes then, why would you limit God when saying that God cannot be in two places at once?

-these are for any one that can or wants to answer these are just questions not meant for offence-

Joseph Smith didnt he have tablets handed to him that he could not decphire? who translated the language if Joseph Smith could not translate it?

Why does the Book of Mormon say Jesus would be born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when the Bible says he was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1)?

How do you explain the claims of Solomon Spaulding, who says he wrote a fictional novel called Manuscript Lost about the early history of America, and that the novel was stolen, adapted, and later published as the Book of Mormon? Furthermore, seven witnesses produced signed statements claiming they had seen drafts of Spaulding's novel before the Book of Mormon was first published.

Why are there no non-Mormon archaeologists who accept the migration from Israel to America, or the large-scale wars such as that alleged near Hill Cumorah in AD 385 (Mormon 6:9-15)?

Why does the Book or Mormon copy sections from the King James Version of the Bible including translation errors? For example, 2 Nephi 13:17-26 is identical with Isaiah 3:17-26 (except for the italicized words). Yet, recent Hebrew scholarship has shown that the KJV is defective in these verses.

just curious.

God bless