Third Anit-Christ

Yes this has been covered before, but I haven't seen a recent thread on it since Saddams execution.

Nostradamus' states:
Mabus will soon die, then will come, A horrible undoing of people and animals, At once one will see vengeance, One hundred powers, thirst, famine, when the comet will pass.
Century 2, Quatrain 62

I'd like to get some people's opinions on this. Nostradamus' had a knack for playing on names with his predictions. The first two antichrists he predicted have been interpreted as Napaulon Roy being Napoleon, and Hister as Hitler. The third and final anti-christ was to be named Mabus as stated above.

Some believed Saddam could have been a play on the name Mabus, but mirroring his name you get Mabbas. The Quatrain above does not exactly name Mabus as being the third anti-christ, but most people interpret it as being so.

A later Quatrain states:
The antichrist very soon annihilates the three, twenty-seven years his war will last. The unbelievers are dead, captive, exiled; with blood, human bodies, water and red hail covering the earth.
Century 8, Quatrain 77

Leaving me to believe that the death of Mabus (or possibly Saddam) marks the rise of the third antichrist.

Other interpretations have been that combining the names Osama and Bush will give you OsaMABUSh or that by rotating and flipping letters of Bush you get:

with the final "H" in Bush being silent as it is in Latin.

What's everyone's thoughts on these interpretations?

There has been a couple of threads regarding this... but good luck anyway...

maybe this thread will come down on a conclusion, where the others have failed.

Interesting take on the predictions. Weird how he has been so accurate to a degree. Wonder sometimes how he did it. Have any links to Nostradamus's predictions so I could read them?

seems like pure speculation, conjecture, and a healthy dose of imagination

Plus the AC has to get shot in the head and live


[edit on 8-5-2007 by tom_roberts]

Nostradamus predicted Hitler as Hister, so it could be true.

Shot in the head is not necessarily his physical head but one division, one branch, his army, headquarter, field of operation, support group and so on.

Originally posted by Doctor Pepor
Interesting take on the predictions. Weird how he has been so accurate to a degree. Wonder sometimes how he did it. Have any links to Nostradamus's predictions so I could read them?

sure thing:

www.nostradamus101.com...

www.sacred-texts.com...

but, also check out some of Edgar Cayce's predictions:

www.near-death.com...

www.dreamscape.com...

Nostradamus never predicted anything, people have just used their imaginations to mold historical events to what he wrote after the fact. No one has ever made any successful prediction based on his writings, but it is very easy to twist around his writings (or any others for that matter) to fit any number of historical events.

Originally posted by Densha82
Nostradamus never predicted anything, people have just used their imaginations to mold historical events to what he wrote after the fact. No one has ever made any successful prediction based on his writings, but it is very easy to twist around his writings (or any others for that matter) to fit any number of historical events.

I would have understood had you said, "Nostradamus never got any predictions right." But I'll beg to differ on the point that "Nostradamus never predicted anything".

I predict you will respond to this message. Whether you do or not does not change the fact that it's still a prediction.

Nostradamus predictied MANY things. How you interpret them is another matter entirely. I'm just using the commonly accepted interpretations.

The trouble with nostradamus is partly in translating him - the mixture of languages and word games he used leads to confusion before you even start interpreting him - imagine if I wrote you a poem, but I wrote it in a combination of french, latin, english and greek.. Would you be able to understand the poem? Let alone interpret meaning?

Too many scholars of Nostradamus start with someone else's translations and work from there.. if you truly wanted to understand him, and figure out if he predicted anything at all, I think you need the original verses..

Yes, also he had trouble understanding his visions. You know, when you see all mixed up, as visions usually are, it's hard to even comprehend what it should mean and then he put it all into quatrains and obscure them to avoid inquisition.

He saw a lot, but he didn't understand all of the visions. Then people reading his quatrains understood even less and there is also time factor. More time passes, less accurate his predictions are. We have free will after all, even if some believe otherwise.

there is a prediction as to the dead rising in 2007. does anyone have any thoughts on that?

I would have understood had you said, "Nostradamus never got any predictions right." But I'll beg to differ on the point that "Nostradamus never predicted anything".

Semantics, semantics, I think the context of my post made the meaning rather clear. However, there is some thought that he actually wasn't making predictions but was talking about things in his own time, criticizing this and that about his modern day world through the guise of futuristic writing.

In the end it really doesn't matter, I guess, either way his words hold no predictive power at all, unlike, say, the laws of physics.

Anyway, I've been doing some thinking about the antichrist myself, I'm gonna make my own prediction here and use Nostradamus to back it up.

First, let's look at his name: Nostradamus. Now if we switch some letters we get madus, flip the "d" and you get mabus. Boom, less of a stretch than "GW Bush" and the "silent latin H" (lol).

Ok, so now we have "Nostra Mabus". I think this means that Mabus is Nostradamus coming back from the dead and working at the Terra Nostra Organic chocolate company (www.terranostrachocolate.com...). What better way to take over the world than with delicious chocolate?

[edit on 11-5-2007 by Densha82]

Originally posted by Densha82

I would have understood had you said, "Nostradamus never got any predictions right." But I'll beg to differ on the point that "Nostradamus never predicted anything".

Semantics, semantics, I think the context of my post made the meaning rather clear. However, there is some thought that he actually wasn't making predictions but was talking about things in his own time, criticizing this and that about his modern day world through the guise of futuristic writing.

In the end it really doesn't matter, I guess, either way his words hold no predictive power at all, unlike, say, the laws of physics.

Anyway, I've been doing some thinking about the antichrist myself, I'm gonna make my own prediction here and use Nostradamus to back it up.

First, let's look at his name: Nostradamus. Now if we switch some letters we get madus, flip the "d" and you get mabus. Boom, less of a stretch than "GW Bush" and the "silent latin H" (lol).

Ok, so now we have "Nostra Mabus". I think this means that Mabus is Nostradamus coming back from the dead and working at the Terra Nostra Organic chocolate company (www.terranostrachocolate.com...). What better way to take over the world than with delicious chocolate?

[edit on 11-5-2007 by Densha82]

great interpretation!

I must agree about the interpretation of his predicitons. I think nearly all predictions that are studied to this day were probably related to their time period. Yes, even the biblical predictions. It's all in the interpretation.

Hello Mr. T.R.,
You can try this one on for size. If you can figure out the perspective used to create a quatrain, then you may or may not solve the quatrain. If it's one that hasn't occurred yet, then no way. If it has occurred, you have a chance. Due to copyright considerations, I've just put some possibilities out, for this forum. You have to step up and do the lifting yourself. Look staight down at a conical strato-volcano, and you see a great round, circular, mountain. Flash melting of it's glaciers make Lahars which runoff material, down to the sea. Place names, Olympic festulan, locate it geographically. Can anyone say Mt. St. Helens, May 18th 1980??? All the 'great' volcanoes have year round snow capped peaks, even down in tropical Africa, so each can generate Lahars. Small cinder cones wouldn't wash their slopes very far, even if they blew to smithereens.
The rise and fall of Mussolini is shown from the perspective of the death of old King Saul, from the book of Samuel. The modern phillistine lad who transmits Saul/Benito's effects, photos, is hidden with the anagram of Mis et Mal, which means, 'led into evil'. Here, the C VIII, Q 31, is subtracted from the buttressing 7 & 8 Cents. to give a timeline for the jeune Selin, being handed the photos in 1957. It's 47, (4+7) or early 1947 to June 1957, in his eleventh lunar year. Needless to say, when you hit a gold vein, like one of these, you don't go yelling it from the rooftops. You look to see where it's going. To wit, is there more gas in the tank, for Selin?? Where Nosty gets really sneaky is that he uses more than one anagram for a single name, but only by solving the surname itself, can one solve additional anagrams of it, in disparite quatrains. Plus, Nosty can follow a surname for 'centuries', pardon the pun. In four lines of rhyming verse, Nosty mentions two geographic locations, alludes to a "dark and evil man", Saul/Benito, and the G.I. photographer, bringing home his film, and then about twelve years later, his son brings the photo's to his school in late May, or Early June, of 57. So you get about five to seven hits in four lines, running from 1922-1957. Jeune makes a legit name too, other than adolescent. So you also get double entenders, jeune and 'led into evil', for smuggling the film back stateside, in the G.I.'s sock, in 1945. These were published in a special, five years later, issue of Look Magazine, in 1950, and we had a copy of the magazine, along with the original photos in his son's, ghastly "faces of death", show and tell in our fifth grade, class. This only happened once, as the Nuns came down on 'Bobbie S.", like a ton of bricks. He was ordered to never bring those photos onto school or church property again. He only fessed up to this last bit, in 1985, when I talked to him, about his photos fulfilling a Nostradamic prophecy, from circa, 1555. Thanx, Carpooler

Interesting, however I kind of lost you on your reasoning on Nosty’s usage of quatrains in explaining dates and times of events. It would make perfect sense that the listing and order of his prophecies has a method to the madness, yet I have never heard of people explaining it before.

As far as Nosty not being able to predict anything, I would say that it is foolish to make such a claim that nothing that he said was a prophecy. The Bible speaks that some people will be gifted with the gift of prophecy. As well, there is a story in the bible of a girl who could make prophecies for people for money and that she was possessed by a spirit. The apostle I believe removed the spirit from her and she lost her gift of prophesy. So, it is Biblically dangerous to make snap judgments as to who is professing the truth about a prophecy and who is not. For there are many different scenarios for accurate prophesies from the devout and decent as well as the depraved and godless.

It was my understanding that Nosty made more than one quatrain about the fellow named Mabus. I gathered that the fellow named Mabus was not the antichrist, but that the death of Mabus signaled the rise of the antichrist. It was my understanding that the antichrist was in hiding so to speak until the death of Mabus, but what do I know.

I do think however that Mabus is an Arab or Chinese sounding name. It definitely doesn’t seem American of European. Either way, I think that we are not meant to know who the third antichrist is, which is why I think Nostradamus only mentions his rising after the death of mabus and doesn’t discus directly the name of the antichrist as I know it.

Just to throw another "MABUS" theory into the air for ya all -

MABUS - Mahmud ABAS - Palestinian Leader. When he dies, this will set of a chain reaction that engulfs the entire mid east in retailiatory war against the west.

Just one idea of mine. What do you think?

Mahmud Abas is an Israeli/US sympathiser is he not?

I knew about the Hister thing, but did Nostradamus really predict a "Napaulon Roy"?

Fascinating, if true. Was this in Centuries, or another of his works? I'd love to see some corroboration there... if it exists, it'd be kind of hard to refute that particular coincidence.

I'd like to get some people's opinions on this. Nostradamus' had a knack for playing on names with his predictions. The first two antichrists he predicted have been interpreted as Napaulon Roy being Napoleon, and Hister as Hitler. The third and final anti-christ was to be named Mabus as stated above.

The first 2 predicted antichrists, if you notice, doesn't involve switching of letters, it has more to do with pronunciations. Since Nostradamus is a French, maybe if you have some French friends or is a French, you might want to study on how Nostradamus pronounce words. From there, you can get a better idea of who the third antichrist is.

A short French Dialect familiarity course
jackytappet.tripod.com...

May it helps in moving you forward to uncovering the the third antichrist.

[edit on 23-10-2007 by DarkMonk]

[edit on 23-10-2007 by DarkMonk]