Hamas teaches terrorism via Mickey Mouse lookalike

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I really want to know what makes this instance so special it deserves this level of mainstream coverage.

I think that the fact that the mouse is teaching the children 'world domination by Islam' is special enough to deserve mainstream coverage. It SHOULD be mainstream coverage - IMHO

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I really want to know what makes this instance so special it deserves this level of mainstream coverage.

I think that the fact that the mouse is teaching the children 'world domination by Islam' is special enough to deserve mainstream coverage. It SHOULD be mainstream coverage - IMHO

So why not all other instinces of the same thing? This happens everyday and there must be hours and hours of similar footage. Why not make the fake Big Bird one just as popular? Its just ignored. Some news agency could dedicate a weekly broadcast just to things like this and every week theyd have new material from the Jew killing Mickey to the blood for matzo documentary to the textbooks these kids get teaching them all about the Zionist conspiracy to kill them.

Its all mostly ignored then one day you wake up and theres the Mickey clip on TV. Something doesnt make sense. Unless it makes perfect sense and the media is just lazy and fickle and one day some guy just decided to run this story and everyone else jumped all over it because they didnt want to attract less viewers than their competition.

It absolutely should be mainstream. I have no problem with that. But wheres all the rest of this stuff? MEMRI gets new clips translated everyday and the news largely ignores it.

Originally posted by Djarums
You know... on the one hand it is pretty ironic to see them using a very Western concept in their efforts to make children hate the West.

On the other hand I stopped being shocked by this after years and years of seeing people in Muslim countries burning American flags and shouting "Death to America" while wearing Levi's and Nikes.

Also, I find it VERY ironic with these things:

1. Islamic men (in this lifetime) cajole their women; treating them like chattle - beating them into submission. They look down upon the female species as being very inferior.

*And Yet*

2. The paradise afterlife of male Muslems - reward the good Muslem men with 50-100 virgin females?

Hmm...like I said previously, these people are walking contradictions.

Now back to topic:

I'm surprised as well as the other posters that this has not been brought to light as being 'mainstream'.

Unfortuneatly, IMO, the damage has been done to these childrens minds; they are out of our reach to help them. They will grow up (without any influence of 'westernizational thinking') and continue this cycle for generations to come.

I believe in tolerance, but this is crossing a very Dangerous line with me.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Unless it makes perfect sense and the media is just lazy and fickle and one day some guy just decided to run this story and everyone else jumped all over it ...

Pretty much. That would be my guess. Lazy and/or fickle and/or sensationalistic. I say sensationalistic in so much as that they don't like to go with 'nice' news ... they find the stuff that gets our attention ... the dirt and the fright.

Also, they are human too. They miss things. Other stories are bigger and take more air time because they are actually happening now whereas this Terrorist Mickey Mouse look-alike is something that is leading up to trouble in the future. This Terror Mouse is something that would usually be 'reported' in someones book or in a study group ...

But I think it belongs in the MSM. People have their heads stuck in the sand when it comes to terrorism. They buy the PC crap instead of looking at the reality .. and this terrorist mouse IS reality.

Originally posted by TheDuckster
The paradise afterlife of male Muslems - reward the good Muslem men with 50-100 virgin females?

I read somewhere that the paradise afterlife for female muslims was to be a beautiful head concubine in some mans harem.

That's NOT the kind of eternity I'd want at all ... 'servicing' men forever.

[edit on 5/9/2007 by FlyersFan]

I just saw this in the Mesa Tribune. Buried in the back by the obituaries. Too bad there was not an obituary for that pesky mouse.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Unless it makes perfect sense and the media is just lazy and fickle and one day some guy just decided to run this story and everyone else jumped all over it ...

Pretty much. That would be my guess. Lazy and/or fickle and/or sensationalistic. I say sensationalistic in so much as that they don't like to go with 'nice' news ... they find the stuff that gets our attention ... the dirt and the fright.

Also, they are human too. They miss things. Other stories are bigger and take more air time because they are actually happening now whereas this Terrorist Mickey Mouse look-alike is something that is leading up to trouble in the future. This Terror Mouse is something that would usually be 'reported' in someones book or in a study group ...

But I think it belongs in the MSM. People have their heads stuck in the sand when it comes to terrorism. They buy the PC crap instead of looking at the reality .. and this terrorist mouse IS reality.

I see your line of thinking...I do!

But as I previously stated: Look beyond the mask. Look at the words and reasoning behind everything.

One poster stated: (paraphrasing) "That it could have been a 'big bird costume/mask". Makes not one iota of difference.

"A rose is a rose...by any definition...".

The message is, however, very clear in this case.

The very fact that grown adults cowardly hide behind masks, and propagate their negative knowledge to their followers; to deceive others by eliciting religious guilt responses to juveniles, while performing 'child-like' theaters on t.v. is undermining.

This is not the only time when the Islamic fundimentalists use children's shows to warp children's minds into hate.

Linky, linky!

This is a cartoon about the making of a suicide bomber. In the first few seconds we see his Mum and Dad get killed. This may be a spoiler for you, but at the end, he dies. And so does everybody else. I mean, EVERYBODY. Great uplifting message, guys. Especially when you show it to kids.

BTW, the cartoon takes place in Palestine, but it was made in Iran. Thank you, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

But the middle east is not the only place where they have mind controlling cartoons! Check this cartoon out from North Korea!

Part 1

Part 2

At least the animation is good...

Obviously the Bugs Bunny etc anti-Nazi/Japanese cartoons of WW2 are completely different aren't they?

As with many of the World War II-themed cartoons put out by the major studios, Herr meets Hare was placed under an unofficial ban from broadcast or video distribution by Warner Brothers and other rights-holders (including Turner Broadcasting and AOL Time-Warner). In 2001, Cartoon Network had planned on showing each and every Bugs Bunny cartoon made as part of its yearly "June Bugs" festival. AOL Time-Warner refused to allow the broadcast of Herr meets Hare, on the grounds that the cartoon was offensive (by today's standards) as it dealt with the Nazis in a joking manner. The cartoon did see limited broadcast (unlike more objectionable cartoons as Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips) on a special one-hour episode of ToonHeads about cartoons from the WWII era (coincidentally, Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips was shown, albeit in clips while a female voiceover explained how grotesque and cruel the Japanese stereotypes in cartoons tended to be in that era). It has also appeared on Turner Classic Movies' Cartoon Alley as recently as January 20, 2007. As of this writing, there are no plans to bring it to DVD.

It can currently be found on the home video "Bugs & Daffy: Wartime Cartoons".

en.wikipedia.org... (my bold)

I'm not condoning indoctrination of kids into warfare in any circumsatnce but I think we need to be sure we're not applying double-standards

[edit on 10/5/2007 by Strangerous]

Just found another one. This one is from Iran.

Link

This is a series of short clips about Bush and his follies. There is one with Bush and Isreal(?) being compaired to Hitler. Bush leading the troops to victory on a treadmill. Bush getting beat by the club he made called "terrorism," and so on.

But the really disgusting thing that two clips imply is that the US is funding suicide bombers to blow up cars and themselves in Iraq! We all know who is backing the insurgents: Iran! While they cause pain and suffering on the citizens of Iraq (not to mention US soldiers.) they blame the US for it all! Dear people, this is evil hypocracy at it's most base form.

And how do we 'know' this? - oh yes the US media (known for being completely above any governmental control told us). Obviously the US has no interest in blaming everything on the Iranians do they?

I'm not saying that it was the US and not Iran but there is a quote about reading your enemies' newspapers if you want to get anywhere near the 'truth'.

I think you're using selective points to suit your very obvious agenda here

Originally posted by Strangerous
Obviously the Bugs Bunny etc anti-Nazi/Japanese cartoons of WW2 are completely different aren't they?

I'm not condoning indoctrination of kids into warfare in any circumsatnce but I think we need to be sure we're not applying double-standards

It may not be right be the context and message of those WWII Warner Bros. cartoons was a bit different. The cartoons portrayed the Japanese and the Nazi's as enemies. Was that not true? They were made out to be bumbling fools. Certainly not true but good for the spirit and morale. They were portrayed with racial and ethnic stereotypes (buck toothed big glasses Japanese and Aryan Germans who couldnt stop saluting Hitler as if he were some sort of god) Maybe this wasnt the 'right' way to portray them but so what? Everyone has a stereotype and they arent going anywhere. I suggest people grow a thicker skin if offense is their issue.

The cartoons were standard hero/villian and rather than a fumbling Elmer Fudd you had a fumbling Japanese emperor or group of fumbling Germans. I dont ever recall a Warner Bros. cartoon that called for the destruction of the German people or the Japanese people. There is a big difference between portraying an army or leader in this way and asking children to kill as many of some group as they can. If their Mickey impersenator wanted to mock Bush or soldiers in general thats fine. When Mickey says "Hey kids, next time you see a Jew take your brothers AK and kill him." The only message I ever got from Bugs was that I should buy war bonds. Adults liked the cartoons because it was way to stick it to Hitler that embodied the way many of them felt and the kids like the cartoons because kids like cartoons.

But maybe thats just me.

RAMALLAH, West Bank — Hamas militants have suspended a TV program that featured a Mickey Mouse lookalike urging Palestinian children to fight Israel and work for global Islamic domination, the Palestinian information minister said Wednesday.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Good, looks like somebody got the message.

Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips is a Merrie Melodies animated cartoon directed by Friz Freleng, produced by Leon Schlesinger Productions, and released to theatres on April 22, 1944 by Warner Bros. Pictures and The Vitaphone Corporation.

The cartoon was made during World War II, and reflects the United States' attitude towards one of its main enemies at the time, Japan. In the cartoon, Bugs Bunny lands on an island in the Pacific and is pitted against a group of highly stereotyped Japanese soldiers. Bugs shows no mercy against the Japanese soldiers, greeting them with several racial slurs such as "monkey face" and "slant eyes", making short work of a large sumo wrestler, and bombing most of the Japanese army using various explosives, including grenades hidden in ice cream bars.

***SNIP***

Seeing a bunch of Japanese submarines making their way to the island, Bugs thinks of a plan to get rid of all of them. He comes out in a 'Good Rumor' truck, handing each of the Japanese an ice cream with a grenade inside it. All the Japanese are killed off from the explosions. Having now painted dozens of Japanese flags on the trees denoting all the downed enemy,

en.wikipedia.org...

Sounds fairly similar to me, using children-friendly characters to make light/fun of the killing of others - or is that just me?

Originally posted by Strangerous

Sounds fairly similar to me, using children-friendly characters to make light/fun of the killing of others - or is that just me?

Was Warner Bros. working for the U.S. government? If so I might buy the porpaganda angle. Racial slurs arent the same as telling kids to blow themselves up. Like I said before, if stereotypes and race offend you gorw a thicker skin. They arent going away.

Bugs was fighting the Japanese because we were fighting the Japanese. It was something the American public could relate to. Whats wrong with Bugs, an American, fighting an American fight? He used bombs to blow them up. Thats war. Their deaths left markers on trees, everyone fighting kept track of their kills.

If they want to run cartoons like this they are free to do so. I wont judge it one bit. Thats war. But having Bugs, Mickey or anyone ask children to die for a cause or encouraging them to write poems and songs about blowing themselves up is sick no matter who's fighting who. For this reason l think your comparison is far fetched and your generalizing in effort to compare apples to oranges.

When you dig up the clip of Bugs leading suicide bomber songs and telling the kids how martyrdom will grant them eternal paradise then Ill buy into your idea. And the clip would have to be funded by the government and shown in homes all over the country. Remember, back in the 40's there wasnt a TV in every home. I dont recall any schoolbooks describing the Japanese or Germans as blood-sucking child-thieving sub-humans either.

If youd like you can continue this but unless somebody else jumps in I afraid you'll find it quite one-sided. I dont care to continue posting the same thing over and over. You get my position, I get yours. Hooray.

Just trying to bring some perpspective to this tirade - it isn't just 'them' - you and we did exactly the same when we were at war.

They believe they're at war and their tactics are different to ours (and abhorent to me) but I'm not going to condemn them on the basis of religion / race (as many on here are leaping to do) when our Governments have used remarkably similar tactics and communication methods in similar circumstances.

German school children used to build wooden AP mines in class - is that a bit worse, far worse, just as bad or justifiable when defending one's homeland?

Originally posted by Strangerous

German school children used to build wooden AP mines in class - is that a bit worse, far worse, just as bad or justifiable when defending one's homeland?

Ill call it worse since its funded by the government, in the schools so children cannot opt out of it, and hands on. Now if the whole time they sang songs about killing Jews Id call it much worse.

Any reasonable person knows propaganda is a part of war. Training children to hate crosses the line. A government policy of training the children to hate pushes the line into evil. When a feud becomes nothing more than hate vs. hate it isnt really a war any longer. Its something much much worse and far more sinister. In the case of the Palestinians and Jews is running right into that territory. It isnt about land or money or resources anymore. Its just hate for hates sake. You teach a generation of kids to hate and after a while they dont question it. They dont wonder why they blow up Jews or vice versa. They just know they hate them and thats what you do when you hate something. You can show an exaggerated Jewish stereotype and a Palestinian fighter winning against him just like Bugs did the Japanese. What you cant show is some fantasy crock about Jews kidnapping children for their blood to feed their demonic inhuman craving and the only thing able to stop him is a 10 year old blowing himself up. Thats no longer propaganda. Thats hatred and lies. Especially when its government funded.

You say:

I'm not going to condemn them on the basis of religion / race (as many on here are leaping to do)

I must have missed the "Muslims are animals" and the "I hate brown people" posts you seem to have read. For the most part I see references to radicals, extremists and fundamentalists with the occasional Islamofacist thrown in. How exactly do these terms equate to blanket racism? They sound pretty speciffic to me.


[edit on 10-5-2007 by thisguyrighthere]

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
In the case of the Palestinians and Jews is running right into that territory. It isnt about land or money or resources anymore. Its just hate for hates sake.

I really have to disagree. While you make a good point that if both sides teach hate to their children for long enough, people will not know what the fighting is for, I think that every Palestinian child knows why they [as a people] resist the occupation. They only have to look around them to see the injustice imposed on them.

When a child's father can no longer feed his family because the fence has cut them off from their farm, they know the injustice. When they're house only receives 2 hours of running water a week, but the Israeli home across the street waters its grass with sprinklers nightly, they know exactly what is wrong. When a bomb is dropped on their house by Israel and the child's mother dies not instantly, but because she cannot get through a checkpoint to seek medical care or because she cannot go out onto the streets because of a curfew the child knows exactly what and why the Palestinian people are resisting. It is not just hate!!!!

The media loves to throw around "Hate" as a word in what is still a highly contentious battle for land, water, resources and access to religious sites. It is not jew's or Israeli's that most Palestinians hate, only what they are doing -- and rightfully so.


but it is not just hate. There is so much more to it...



And thank you Mdv2, you truly pointed out that both sides are as guilty as each other in this indoctrination of agenda's into children's minds. I certainly condemn the idea of bringing children into this conflict, but I think it is too late for that. Children (on both sides) only have to look around them to see injustice, and in that, what they will grow up to fight for.

Edit: I'm such a terrible speller.

[edit on 12-5-2007 by colourinthemeaning]

Originally posted by Strangerous
Obviously the Bugs Bunny etc anti-Nazi/Japanese cartoons of WW2 are completely different aren't they?

So, you are pulling something up from the 1940s ... over 60 years old .. and that was made during a time of World War .. and comparing that to this?

Not even close.

If the US was to produce cartoons and childrens shows depicting Islamics as scum of the earth invaders, and talk about how to defeat them with AK-47s .. THAT would be a viable comparison.

Originally posted by Strangerous
I think you're using selective points to suit your very obvious agenda here

Right back atchya.
Question sources - yes. But to put your head in the sand - no.
The Islamic TV station itself admits to having the show on the air
and the clips are real and available from the station.

Originally posted by Strangerous
Just trying to bring some perpspective to this tirade

:shk: There is no 'tirade'.

Actually, you are comparing apples and oranges. You pull up something from over 60 years ago and that was made during a time of a fierce world war .. and compare that to FarFur the terrorist mouse. The two aren't even close in comparison AND those American cartoons were made during a different generation.


The TV News is now reporting that the Islamic TV station has decided to drop the show. This came ONLY after MSM in America got wind of it and started talking about it.

The only problem is .. the show is gone but the people and the agendas are still there. Something else will crop up in it's place.



[edit on 5/12/2007 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

So, you are pulling something up from the 1940s ... over 60 years old .. and that was made during a time of World War .. and comparing that to this?

I don't see how its any different? It may have been 60 years ago, and this might not be a world war, but its certainly a war. "Terrorists" or "Freedom Fighters", whatever you want to call them -- are using such a deplorable method to fight because it is one of the only methods they feel they have left. If Israel had not disbanded the Palestinian army, and they were fighting with an army instead of as terrorists, would you think there could be some comparison then?

This is not new, Israel has done similar thing, just as America has, and other nations involved in WWII.

What honestly surprises me is we haven't seen a Hanoi Hannah or Tokyo Rose. There are some Israeli soldiers (hundreds infarct) who have publicly refused to serve beyond the 1967 boarder and I'm sure many more who share the sentiments of those who have refused.

Well .. the terror mouse was supposedly pulled off the air ...

Now it's being said that it's still on and the station is refusing to pull it.

PRESSURE FROM HAMAS???

I can hear it now - 'pull that mouse off and we'll bomb the studio'.

Terror Mouse still on the air

The terror mouse is still on, complete with hamas-keteers.
(I didn't make up that name - but I thought it appropriate! )