Scientists are convinced that man can see the future

The paradox: If you see the future, then act to change it (and succeed), you didn't see the future at all, just a possible future. And everyone sees possible futures all the time (it's called imagination).
If, on the other hand, you see the future and CAN'T change it, then there is no free will and past and future are meaningless; everything that has happened and will happen have already been written, including your very premonitions: Seeing the future without possessing free will is as mundane as a mathematical equation, and of as little impact on the human condition.
. . . I just don't believe you can see the future!

I know personaly that you can see the future or in tne least have a feeling of what is going to happen in the future, i for one will be bold enough to say i know it happens and don't need science to prove it as anyone who has experienced a fortelling will attest, regardless of what anyone else may say theres nothing like first hand experience.

It's great that physics has progressed so far as not rule this phenomenon out and i hope it will expand our current understanding of the reallity we live in. although i am concerened of the possible social ramifications if such a thing is proven and endorsed by science.

btw great subject op

The issue with the perception of reality is;Who put what into your head?,and for what purpose did they put there?,and how?.
IMHO the reality we believe we experience is tightfistedly controlled for a reason,there is a higher power out there somewhere,or maybe it's inside somewhere,and we are conditioned to believe it is not,or that we have absolutely no control over it at all....
Confused?,go back to the first sentence of this reply.
Many with no REAL power would have you believe that they have some kind of real control,the only control they have is through coercion and fear.
Shhhhhhhhh,be discreet,don't look too close,you might realise the truth.
Formerly uNBaLaNCeD

Someone on the first page said this can't be real because it means he doesn't have free will.

The way i look at it is this-

what about all the premonitions people have that don't come true? Those are all instances in which the path that came true was changed due to the source of what caused the premonition, or the person who had the premonition. For instance, say a man plans on killing a person and those 'kill waves' , so to speak, get sent out and taken in by a woman who has a premonition of a person getting killed. the premonition has already been had, but the man can change his mind and not kill the person.

So, this man, by his own free will, decided not to kill the person, but the premonition was already had.

The flip side of this could be the woman gets such a detailed image in her head of where and when the person is getting killed that she goes and stops it by her own free will.

I think the biggest problem with people saying premonitions mean no free will is the vast amount of premonitions that don't come true. People only look at the evidence they want to as meaning something- in this case the ones that did come true. The ones that didn't indicate that reality is not ruled by these premonitions.



[edit on 5/13/2007 by Ack]

Originally posted by j_kalin


Has anyone experienced this phenomenon?

I've experienced it. not to the same degree as averting my death (thankfully bever been in theat situation. but people have real trouble sneaking up on me and i can tell if someone i know's about to enter a room

actualy thinking about it for a few minutes and reading he rest of the thread, Time is annother dimention. so up to a point everything has already happened.

doesnt the fact that time is annother dimention mean that it should be traversable and therfore unchangeable?

No, just because something is measureable doesn't mean we can traverse it. We use telescopes to view the known universe. You don't see us out there now, do you.

In theory, as it stands now, we could build a ship to start going there. But our current technology might not even get us to the reaches of our solar system before we ran out of food or water.

And then next you are assuming the human brain could endure whatever torture time travel may or may not have in store for it due to the distortion of perception that would be involved.

We'd be fish making that sick gulping action, so to speak, if we were taken out of our continuum without minding the thread, I believe.

I started hearing voices in 2005. The first time i heard voices it was my voice inside my head late at night when trying to sleep. I heard my voice say "We believe in sacrifice" i felt a little shook up. A few weeks later i heard voices come from the corner of my room when i woke up. They or it said tell MI5 why you thought they were after you!" so i got up and sent an email to MI5 saying "I used to belong to the real Brotherhood of the Wolf and my brothers were in it but got kicked out for fighting" as i was about to click send my phone rang twice. I laughed to myself and sent the message anyway. The next day the Tsunami in Asia happened and i felt somehow responsible. I ended up in Psychiatric hospital a few days later and after my first night i woke up and assaulted someone who told me they took a girl out of school and gave her a trip. The next day when i woke up i heard voices again in the corner of my room. They said "we`re gonna drive you crazy, we`re gonna drive you crazy." For nearly 2 years I took drugs the doctor prescribed me as i didnt want to go crazy. I stopped taking them in December 2006. I havnt heard voices since i left hospital and i feel ok now. I wish the voice I heard the day before the Tsunami had given me more information I may of been able to save people.

Originally posted by XPhiles

IF something in this timeline is experienced for the 1st time, you may pick it up the 2nd time around in another worldline.... unfortunately you can't pick up your 1st experience, and some experience's get repeated over and over like a loop function, one could say.... worldlines is like infinite array's inside a loop....
END IF;
END LOOP;
END LOOP;
END

Morpheus: The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

[edit on 6-5-2007 by XPhiles]

Fascinating insight, XPhiles. "I thought everyone knew this...lol." Well put. I just wanted to add that this has always been my prevailing theory on deja vu. Thank you for articulating your thoughts on this superb theory.

[edit on 31-5-2007 by carnival_of_souls2047]

I know that I have had dreams of random things and a few days later it has happened...so I believe this is possibility.

Here's a thought, and I apologise if someone already made it...
"Dimensions" are just parameters we attach to something to define it's position in the universe. Time is also a dimension, ie. a parameter, in this case the "when". An object can be said to have a time parameter or dimension specifying when it comes into existense and when it ceases to exist. If time is truly a dimension, just as positions on the xyz axes are, then it is not variable. So, in theory, one should be able to perceive an events xyz-t dimensions if one had the right equipment, just as we can map a position in 3 dimensions. My theory is that certain people are better readers of this parameter and thus appear to see the future, when in fact they just see an added aspect of all objects. "Time" is an illusion in the sense that we perceive it, ie as something "outside" of us. I think this avoids the paradox issue, since one can never change the past to alter the future in this scheme. Since the time dimension is an essential aspect of an object, one cannot travel through time. Time is not a river; it is a descriptor of an object and thus cannot be travelled through...

[edit on 31-5-2007 by j_kalin]

I havent read through the whole post, but I had to write this before I forget, 'The Celestine Prophecy' by James Redfield was all I kept thinking about while I read this post.
And for all those afaid of the 'G-word' it doesnt say a lot about him*, per se, but develops our ability to percieve what is going on, on a more human level.
* I myself believe deeply in God, but have had many doubtful periods, so I know how skeptical some are - thats why I said that

I did the ESP test on www.tickle.com its quite interesting.

I got good Pre-cognition scores I think lol.

Precognition huh? Wouldn't the ability to see into the future completely contradict existence? I mean, if I could see the future, wouldn't I be looking into the reflection of me looking into the future? A never ending lapse of the same vision because everything has a certain way it happens in the future.

For example, if I looked into the future and saw that I (god forbid) was going to get into a car accident, but by no specific means, then I would most likely not drive a car that day that it was supposed to happen, but instead a car hits me as I walk. By no means do I believe precognition a form of future prevention, it is a mere detour with which the future will take its course.

We cannot prevent things from happening because that would interrupt the course of which free will and life takes. It would sort of destroy the very fabric of our space and time. It makes no logical sense to me that anyone could look into the future and act upon it.

I just took that ESP test on Tickle, said I had an unusual talent in Remote Viewing... what a load. I know for a fact I have no psychic ability or remote viewing ability, the problem with Tickle tests is that I doubt they ever tell anyone anything negative.

Shattered OUT...

[edit on 3-6-2007 by ShatteredSkies]

I know this is true. Since 1965 one of the most closely guarded government secrets is the existence of a human being with a brain like no other human on the planet. At the age of six(1965) he became the official person with the highest IQ in the world 200. By the the time he was 17 they could only get the IQ scale up to 300 so that is his Official IQ. He showed many how the phenomena Deja Vue worked. These people include; Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, Lyndon Johnson, Bobby Kennedy, J Edgar Hoover, Stephen Hawking, George H.W. Bush, Pat Robertson, General Le may, all the girls and teachers of his high school and many more. Here is how it basically works. I will use the story of Jesus to explain it . The Bible tells the story of how Jesus kept telling his followers of his destiny in detail long before it was to happen. This suggest he had visions of his destiny. When Jesus went through all his trials and persecutions. When he was crucified he was experiencing the feeling of Deja Vue because he had already seen this happening to him in exact detail because of visions of his destiny. Deja Vue and prophesy are the same thing. Most of the time it happens during sleep in dreams. In rare instances there are humans born with more developed brains who can have these visions while they are awake when ever they want. Today you are seeing a lot of documentaries on Christ and Christianity. Science explaining time, space, dimensions, secret societies, shadow governments so on and so forth. they are preparing to admit to this persons existence. His identity has been kept secret because he is a bit of a rebel. As he says his soul is not for sale. Everything we have been taught about religion, God, science, goverments and how the world really works is not exactly true. Then there are those who don't want this to happen so they get to have their say but they are going to lose. Wait and See.

Awfully ambiguous there buddy. Care to provide a source for this "revelation" of your's? I, and many others here I'm sure, would be quite interested in anything that you could provide.

TheBorg

Not read the entire thread.

Has any one brought this up yet Scientists discover 'second brain' in the stomach ?

Could this really be where gut feelings come from? I know that I should by rights of had at least 2 fairly serious motorcycle accidents, both times I feel I reacted quicker than possable - but then again our brains are fantastic at that sort of thing without precognition, sometimes we really do think too much.

I think there is far too much evidence (in all forms) for precognition to ignore.

Little experement (works best while you are a passenger in a car in a trafic jam and lots of people are walking on the pavement) Concentrate on the backs of peoples heads and 'will' them to look at you - be selective and choose the ones who have not had reason to look at you. I was allways amazed at how many would not only look at me, but how many would look directly eye to eye without looking any where else, seemingly not knowing why they had done so, practise brings their reaction time down considerbly also.

Originally posted by Fiverz
I can never get that sense of deja vu until it's already too late. Could it be the brain just processing information in a strange way? Is it really a convergence of timelines? Who knows. It is a pretty strange experience ... especially because it seems that I have no control over it whatsoever.

Anyone else experience something similar?

I get exactly the same kind of deja vu as you have described. It happened just yesterday as I was typing out a post on ATS while watching the news online. Makes me feel pretty useless to "remember" stuff as it happens

I had a sense of this earlier this year on another forum and said another poster would correct me on something, but it didn't happen as they had no real knowledge on the subject to correct me.

I imagine almost everyone has deja vu and it could be the lowest level of what we are capable of. Some may be naturally gifted and see the events that could likely happen in the future, while the rest of us say to ourselves, "Oh yeah, this again!"

I think the real challenge for those who see the future is interpreting what they see. A lot of times I hear of people seeing signs but not knowing what they mean until after the event like sean's post about his former place of work - www.abovetopsecret.com...

And to take this thread slightly off track - my niece was born last month and at the time of her birth my Mother woke up early morning and looked at the clock. It wasn't until she spoke to my brother hours later that she realised she had a connection at the exact time. My Mother has more things like this happen to her then anyone else I know.

Originally posted by Now_Then
Not read the entire thread.

Has any one brought this up yet Scientists discover 'second brain' in the stomach ?

Could this really be where gut feelings come from?

That is interesting. Does anyone know where the phrase "gut feeling" comes from? Could it be from a very long time ago when this was common knowledge but has been forgotten and is now being discovered again like so many things from the ancient world? Perhaps the answer to pre-cog lies in our gut and not in the brain? Or perhaps it is just as the article states

Researchers believe this belly brain may save information on physical reactions to mental processes and give out signals to influence later decisions

The book that refers to the second brain in the Stomach was showcased on an episode of The Cobert Report. I saw it and found it quite interesting. The second brain isn't so much as an actual brain used for computation as much as it is involuntary processes.

Shattered OUT...

From this thread i hear ppl understanding things like:
- If we see future, there are no options...
- Time is another dimension and we simultaneously exist in the past, present and future...

Based on those facts and other knowledge:

- We live in multi dimensional world.
- We can move back-forward-up-down, because we can "see" ahead and decide our step. Eg: walking down a road, u can see things are u are going to approach, pot holes, rocks, obstructions etc.

NOTE: What we are "seeing" in the three spatial dimensions could be interpreted as seeing the future - But that has become embedded and obvious to us thru ages.

Similarly - seeing into the future could simply be looking forward in the time dimension. Now this view isnt as clear as looking ahead into the road and finding out obstructions.

Maybe our mind can only see glipses or blurred view of what lies ahead in the time dimension ?

Interesting topic...