Two of ufology's finest attend IIIHS conference this weekend

I only wish I was in Montreal this weekend with several hundred dollars to spare!

The two big names, of course are good old Dr Steven Greer and Dr Sean David Morton!

The lecture circuit is clearly where the big bucks lie.

Is anyone on ATS going to this event? Will anything new be disclosed? Will a spaceship land at the venue? Will Greer prove his ability to levitate live on stage and regain his lost credibility? Will Morton predict the predictable?

Looking at the website it's amazing how many 'doctors' are in attendance - one would be forgiven for thinking it is a medical convention!

check out the list of others speakers here:

www.iiihs.org...

check out Morton's credentials here:

www.ufowatchdog.com...


[edited link on 5-5-2007 by torsion]

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Originally posted by torsion
I only wish I was in Montreal this weekend with several hundred dollars to spare!
The two big names, of course are good old Dr Steven Greer and Dr Sean David Morton!

Damn, I wish I was there too... seriously. I can't afford to fly halfway around the world though. Damn.

I really want to see Greer in person. You get a better feel for a person and their lies when you look them straight in the face.

The lecture circuit is clearly where the big bucks lie.

For sure.

Which is why Greer IS NOT a UFOlogist, despite some people claiming that he is. He is a public speaker, amongst many other things, but in no way is he a UFOlogist.

If anyone here attends, please let us know what was presented. Also, take five cameras in case four of them fail, in the event that Greer has a spontaneous levitation experience.

Greer is a good, articulate public speaker, for sure, but is he a genuine doctor?

There are so many people attaching fake credentials to their name in this field - it seems to give them the credibility that their claims cannot aspire to.

Originally posted by torsion
Greer is a good, articulate public speaker, for sure, but is he a genuine doctor?

You know, when you come right down to it, there has been no documentation for that. Under the circumstances I'm not sure this is a big deal, but it might be nice if he listed his medical school, dates, residency, and so forth just matter of factly for anyone who cared to check. It's not in wikipedia.

What I think is hilarious is the Greer Fawns who will say something like, "Not only is Greer a doctor, he's an emergency room doctor. I mean, they have trouble getting emergency room doctors because the stress is so high and the hours so terrible. Would you say, "Not only is he a doctor, he's a surgeon! or how about "not only is he a doctor, he's a family practitioner! I mean, what's the deal here, eh?

Originally posted by schuyler
You know, when you come right down to it, there has been no documentation for that. Under the circumstances I'm not sure this is a big deal, but it might be nice if he listed his medical school, dates, residency, and so forth just matter of factly for anyone who cared to check. It's not in wikipedia.

Quote from an external source: "He is the former chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital in North Carolina. He is a lifetime member of Alpha Omega Alpha, USA's most prestigious academic honor society for physicians."

Could these places be contacted easily to verify that information?

Assuming that Greer really was a Emergency Room Doctor why would he turn his back on medicine to embark on such a redundant journey the Disclosure Project/CSETI has proven to be?

To quote Greer from an external source, "[My family] have foregone several million dollars in income while I have been doing this work and they have, in many ways, sacrificed the most. I started this project, not them. How many doctor’s wives would patiently support such an effort? But knowing what the stakes are for humanity, how could we do otherwise?

Surely he would be serving humanity better in the emergency room rather than in a forest pointing at moths and telling people he can levitate.

What are 'the stakes' for humanity? Are we all doomed if we don't listen to Greer? Didn't David Koresh say similar things?

Originally posted by torsion

To quote Greer from an external source, "[My family] have foregone several million dollars in income while I have been doing this work and they have, in many ways, sacrificed the most. I started this project, not them. How many doctor’s wives would patiently support such an effort? But knowing what the stakes are for humanity, how could we do otherwise?

Surely he would be serving humanity better in the emergency room rather than in a forest pointing at moths and telling people he can levitate.

What are 'the stakes' for humanity? Are we all doomed if we don't listen to Greer? Didn't David Koresh say similar things?

Typical.

It's so easy to just equate Greer with a cult leader and dismiss his entire message, isn't it?

The "stakes for humanity" are - Survival, for one thing!

There are all kinds of political, economic and environmental disasters right on the horizon, we don't need Greer to tell us that - anyone with eyes to see can see it! WW3 over the last drops of oil, waves of environmental disasters due to pollution and global warming, rioting and anarchy everywhere - or we simply nuke ourselves back to the stone age and start over.

But trying to come up with a way to extricate the solutions to the worlds problems from the klepto-nazi-fascists (the real enemy!!) who have them locked away on black-shelves is hard..... sitting back and ridiculing and condemning Greer is easy.

I mean, who cares about things like healing the Earth and preserving the peaceful future of humanity - when Greer has not proven he can vector UFOs!!! Let's get our priorities straight for God's sake!

But surely Greer is contributing to the global warming situation, and therefore accelerating our impending doom, by flying around the world and 'flying in witnesses' who could stay at home and email their testimony. And after all these years of doing it he still hasn't provided a solution of any kind to the world's problems!

Come off it!

And no, Greer hasn't single-handedly saved the world yet - and that's the whole point! He needs help and support from as many people as possible! The LAST thing people should be doing is giving up on him, just because he hasn't had another major accomplishment in 6 years....

People don't want to publicly support Greer because he makes wild claims? Fine, but does the whole looming "Mad Max"-type scenario worry you? If so..... doesn't that make you want to do something about it?

Originally posted by millerman
And no, Greer hasn't single-handedly saved the world yet - and that's the whole point! He needs help and support from as many people as possible! The LAST thing people should be doing is giving up on him, just because he hasn't had another major accomplishment in 6 years....

I think it is a fallacy to claim we must support Greer or lose the planet. If Greer really wanted to contribute to saving the planet, he wouldn't have gone off the deep end and he WOULD have had some accomplishments over the last six years. If saving the planet is your top priority, throwing in with Greer is not going to accomplish your goals. To put it in a Nero-like perspective, Greer is off chasing moths while the planet burns. He's hanging out with people like Morton. Morton??? My God, this is Morton! I would like to suggest that if 'saving the planet' is your priority, you are spendng your energy in the wrong place and not helping.

I also think a lot of us, including myself, were really rooting for Greer when he began the Disclosure Project. Over the years we are left scratching our heads in dismay as Greer has gotten weirder and weirder. This is not the result of anyone attacking him or marginalizing him; he's done this himself. I also think we could forgive a slip or two. The sarin gas incident, for example. Well, perhaps he was just mis-informed. It could happen to anybody. But his slips have been pretty consistent lately and he keeps pushing the envelope further 'out there.' I don't intend to enumerate the issues themselves, but simply to illustrate the slide in Greer's reputation. Bear in mind that he does not have to convince believers; he has to convince the general public.

When under attack you circle the wagons, and that's what we see in those who defend Greer, an increasingly shrill attempt to save the Savior in God-like Greer, who is developing into a cult-like figure. If you want to get on that sinking ship, you go right head. You'll be joining many others from Adamski to Heaven's Gate to Billy Meier. But Puhlease don't expect the rest of us to jump on with you. I think survival is an important issue, too. Jumping on the Greer ship is a sure route to oblivion.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by millerman
And no, Greer hasn't single-handedly saved the world yet - and that's the whole point! He needs help and support from as many people as possible! The LAST thing people should be doing is giving up on him, just because he hasn't had another major accomplishment in 6 years....

I think it is a fallacy to claim we must support Greer or lose the planet.

Right, but that isn't what I said.

There are many ways that people can get involved, people don't have to specifically support Greer and TDP.

Greer and TDP alerted us to the fact that the whole future of Earth has been hijacked by these klepto-nazi-fascist NWO types, and they are sitting on technologies that could transform this planet into a paradise.

What we do with that information now is entirely up to us! No one said we have to specifically side with Greer if we want to do something to save the planet.

If Greer really wanted to contribute to saving the planet, he wouldn't have gone off the deep end and he WOULD have had some accomplishments over the last six years.

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything these past six years?

Remember, one of the major things Greer does is educate governments, world leaders and other people in positions of power. And that does make a big difference in the long run, even if he hasn't done anything earth-shatteringly newsworthy these past six years.

I also think a lot of us, including myself, were really rooting for Greer when he began the Disclosure Project. Over the years we are left scratching our heads in dismay as Greer has gotten weirder and weirder. This is not the result of anyone attacking him or marginalizing him; he's done this himself.

Yes, but the intent behind that is to try to prepare people for the new cosmological and technological and spiritual paradigms that contact with ETs brings. Like, things like telepathy and remote viewing and levitation are routine to them, and they even have technology that assists and enhances those abilities.

It seems "weird" or "crazy" or "nutty" to us, because we are quite thoroughly programmed and conditioned to believe that those things are not possible. We are trained to be thoroughly rooted in our secular materialism and dismiss people who experiment with these things as "New Age nuts" etc. But, all that will change, with time....

I don't intend to enumerate the issues themselves, but simply to illustrate the slide in Greer's reputation. Bear in mind that he does not have to convince believers; he has to convince the general public.

Not really, because the general public are the ones with the least power to do anything. It would take thousands, millions of us protesting or rioting to get the NWO/shadow government types to cough up the technologies.

Greer is right to focus his own personal efforts on leaders, the people that have some level of power to actually do something. Those of us in the general public have to decide for ourselves how we're going to contribute.

When under attack you circle the wagons, and that's what we see in those who defend Greer, an increasingly shrill attempt to save the Savior in God-like Greer, who is developing into a cult-like figure.

Wrong - in real cults, you're not allowed to leave! Greer is a teacher and leader, yes, but nothing at all like a cultist.

Anyway, as I said, it is not necessary for people to believe everything Greer says or specifically support Greer/TDP in order to get involved in standing up to NWO. People get so caught up in attacking the messenger, that they forget the message! What we should be thinking about is, what can WE do to help get these suppressed technologies out, before it's too late? What can WE do to help stand up to NWO?

Originally posted by millerman
Greer and TDP alerted us to the fact that the whole future of Earth has been hijacked by these klepto-nazi-fascist NWO types, and they are sitting on technologies that could transform this planet into a paradise.

... things like telepathy and remote viewing and levitation are routine to them, and they even have technology that assists and enhances those abilities.

Can I hazard a guess that all of the above is derived from Greer's books and dvds? How do you know any of it is true particularly when you look at Greer's track record where telling the truth is concerned!

By the way, the MOD in the UK experimented with remote viewing and the concept was discarded because it simply didn't work - and add to that the fact that no one anywhere has show it to be possible...

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by millerman
Greer and TDP alerted us to the fact that the whole future of Earth has been hijacked by these klepto-nazi-fascist NWO types, and they are sitting on technologies that could transform this planet into a paradise.

... things like telepathy and remote viewing and levitation are routine to them, and they even have technology that assists and enhances those abilities.

Can I hazard a guess that all of the above is derived from Greer's books and dvds?

No.

There is all kinds of evidence for NWO/MIC/Shadow Government/Cabal/TPTB/Big Boys/Big Brother/Illuminati or whatever you want to call them. Their suppression of critical energy and propulsion technologies is corroborated by many DP witnesses and there is a lot of other evidence for that as well.

The stuff about telepathy and remote viewing is from "Hidden Truth", yes.

How do you know any of it is true particularly when you look at Greer's track record where telling the truth is concerned!

By the way, the MOD in the UK experimented with remote viewing and the concept was discarded because it simply didn't work - and add to that the fact that no one anywhere has show it to be possible...

There are a lot of rumors that elements of the US government have experimented with it and they HAVE got it to work - look at the movie "Suspect Zero".

How do I personally know that telepathy and remote viewing are true? Well, I don't really know it for a fact, but I have believed in things like that for a long time and I have my reasons. I believe that all matter, energy, space, time, life, consciousness and God are connected and unified, and that is what makes things like telepathy and remote viewing and levitation possible.

That is Greer's hypothesis as well, and he says that the ETs have even developed technologies that make use of that principle, so for them it is not just mysticism or spirituality, it is scientific fact. So eventually we will need to come to accept these things as well.

Can I prove it? No. But how many people have had an experience where they were warned of danger or received information in a dream? How many people have had dreams or visions of something happening to a close friend or loved one, and they call up the person and it's true? How many people have known someone who was "miraculously" healed? (I do!)

The "Oneness" of all things makes all these things possible.....

Originally posted by millerman
Who says he hasn't accomplished anything these past six years?

Remember, one of the major things Greer does is educate governments, world leaders and other people in positions of power. And that does make a big difference in the long run, even if he hasn't done anything earth-shatteringly newsworthy these past six years.

Sure, ok.

Name a list of world leaders that Greer has educated. Name a list of governments that have listened to Greer and totally changed their policies. Name ONE thing that Greer has done in the past six years, other than vector in moths?

Originally posted by torsion
I only wish I was in Montreal this weekend with several hundred dollars to spare!

The two big names, of course are good old Dr Steven Greer and Dr Sean David Morton!

The lecture circuit is clearly where the big bucks lie.

Is anyone on ATS going to this event? Will anything new be disclosed? Will a spaceship land at the venue? Will Greer prove his ability to levitate live on stage and regain his lost credibility? Will Morton predict the predictable?

Looking at the website it's amazing how many 'doctors' are in attendance - one would be forgiven for thinking it is a medical convention!

check out the list of others speakers here:

www.iiihs.org...

check out Morton's credentials here:

www.ufowatchdog.com...


[edited link on 5-5-2007 by torsion]

[edit on 5-5-2007 by torsion]

Hopefully someone will record the lecture and post it online for everyone. I havent heard much of Greer in a long time. Its about time we heard whats going on out there, and see if theres any progress being made.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
Who says he hasn't accomplished anything these past six years?

Remember, one of the major things Greer does is educate governments, world leaders and other people in positions of power. And that does make a big difference in the long run, even if he hasn't done anything earth-shatteringly newsworthy these past six years.

Sure, ok.

Name a list of world leaders that Greer has educated. Name a list of governments that have listened to Greer and totally changed their policies.

You know I don't have that information. It would be nice if Greer carried a camera around and recorded everything he does and every person he meets with, but regrettably he doesn't. (I'm sure many of these people would object to being filmed anyway.)

He drops a few names in "Hidden Truth", but I'm sure that won't mean anything to you.

In any case, I don't doubt his ability to network with all these government/military/intelligence people, since he had over 20 of them stand with him at the NPC conference, and several more in his other briefing materials.

He does claim to have 400 or 500 of these inside contacts but never provides a full list of who they all are, I will give you that.....

Originally posted by Unplugged

Hopefully someone will record the lecture and post it online for everyone. I havent heard much of Greer in a long time. Its about time we heard whats going on out there, and see if theres any progress being made.

Hi Unplugged

Greer does radio interviews regularly, listen to his latest ones to find out what's going on.

Things seem to have stalled on the technology front, but Greer has stated that now two major world governments have come forward and are making preparations with Greer and CSETI to make official open contact with ET ambassadors!

So if Greer is telling the truth, this is actually a VERY exciting time!

Originally posted by millerman

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything these past six years?

Uhhh, YOU did!

Originally postted by millerman

up on him, just because he hasn't had another major accomplishment in 6 years....

:-)

Like I said, if you want to be on this ship, go right ahead. I'll be waving from the shore. Buh bye!

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by millerman

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything these past six years?

Uhhh, YOU did!

Originally postted by millerman

up on him, just because he hasn't had another major accomplishment in 6 years....

:-)

Yes, I said he hasn't had another MAJOR accomplishment, ie on the level of the NPC conference, in 6 years.

That doesn't mean that he hasn't accomplished anything in 6 years....

Originally posted by millerman

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by millerman

By the way, the MOD in the UK experimented with remote viewing and the concept was discarded because it simply didn't work - and add to that the fact that no one anywhere has show it to be possible...

There are a lot of rumors that elements of the US government have experimented with it and they HAVE got it to work - look at the movie "Suspect Zero".

Yeah and if you watch pbs at all, there was a good psychic documentary on there, and 60 percent of it was succesfull. That's not saying much.