Child snatched on holiday( new sightings and CCTV)

Originally posted by deaman88
OK, I understand that I used the word 'island', but my point was that it is very close to a stretch of water - as in Aruba, - where the victim can be taken quickly and transported in a private sea faring vessel, outside the search area for Madeleine. Let's not get sidetracked by semantics.

It's not a question of semantics.

That area is not an island, if it was then it would be easier to close and anyone entering and exiting would have only one way, by boat.

Also, Lagos has a marina and a fishing port, but they are not large. Having said that, if the kidnappers had a boat then they could be on it before Madeleine's parents noticed she wasn't on her bed, Lagos is just 6Km from the resort from where she was taken.

I do not remember if it was today or yesterday that someone from the police said the maybe she was kidnapped by one of the many international organisations that kidnap children for adoption.

Updates,

There looking for a possible car,

Alo sadly the cctv machine was not working, So that would have hampered things a bit,

Skynews have set up a page for all Maddy news,

news.sky.com...

Update:
The portuguese judiciary police (those who were investigating) were put aside(probably by the political pressure) and those in charge now are the "Central direction for banditism combat", which is a specialize force inside the judiciary police.

In the news no reason were given for the change, but i think it's obvious to see why.

Sidenote:
As you all probably heard, there is a dumb thing in Portugal called "secret of justice", wich means that when a investigation is being done, there are no release of information related to the case.

I can tell you about that a few things:
1º The "secret of justice" is only good to hide the inefficacious of those who use it during the investigation (police or politicians).

2º This "secret" is only true for some cases, because in many others cases there are leaks everywhere, so many leaks that it's not even a leak but a whole river of info. I could give you many cases.

3º Those who created the "secret of justice" where burocrats, they knew nothing about real life, they live in a glass dome.

4º If you think that the portuguese police are using low resources to look for the child, i can
guaranteed you if this were a portuguese child, the resources would be even lower. There was this case in september 2004, were a child were reported missing, in ALLGARVE, the PJ(the same PJ that is investigating this case) never found the body(and PJ knew it was killed by tthe parents). Some suspected that it was eated by pigs.

5º There is enormous effort to show to british that something is being done, but in fact, the only fear for Portugal is to induce fear in turists who feed the economy of ALLGARVE.



[edit on 9-5-2007 by crustas]

[edit on 9-5-2007 by crustas]

Interesting points Crustas, it appears as if things are happening more frequently than imagined in Portugal.

Was the secret law you mention used by the authorities to aid in the cack-handed way the investigations were handled? Why is this?

6 days later and they send in a team of specialists? It took that long?

There is something going on, that is not being mentioned.

As for the Algarves, you can bet your bottom dollar that no tourists will return there, nor Portugal for a while, especilly based on the response the authorities displayed.

Reminds me of the film "Jaws" where the town mayor is trying to hush up the fact theres a predator in the water as it will ruin the tourist industry there.

Just that this time the dangerous predator is real and on land.

I saw the editor of an English newspaper in Portugal on tv the other night. He was asked if anything would change after this incident and he replied, "Portugal changed on Thursday night when Maddy was taken".

He was referring to the whole investigation system, and whilst i doubt it really will change as a result of one abduction, it would be nice if it was at least looked into.

CX.

Originally posted by deaman88
Was the secret law you mention used by the authorities to aid in the cack-handed way the investigations were handled? Why is this?

Yes, they are using the "secret of justice". The "Secret of justice" is used in all investigations.

The reason for using this "S.o.J." is (in theory), if any information during an investigation is leaked to the media/public it could put in risk the investigation, but in Portugal there has been a lot of controversy about that over the last years.

Originally posted by deaman88
6 days later and they send in a team of specialists? It took that long?

No, the Central Direction for Banditism Combat was sent on Friday from Lisbon with the other members of the PJ.

The organisation of the investigations was taken out of the PJ from Faro (the Algarve PJ section) and given to the Central Direction for Banditism Combat, who are also part of PJ.

In practice, the investigation was taken from the hands of the local branch of the PJ and given to the central.

OK, but it was still too late, and ultimately, little Maddy has not been recovered regardless of who has jurisdiction over the case has she?

I always thought that the most important part of a missing person investigation is at the beginning isn't it?

The more days that go by, the less likely it is that the victim would be close to the location of abduction, and even less likely to reappear.

This child could be easily spotted, even if the hair color was changed, and yet not a single person has identified the child in 6 days.

It is good taht we have some posters who are updating from the European side, and teh country itself, as you know what the latest is from the local perspective.

Here's a quote from todays news, regarding comments from Maddy's Grandmother :

..."The grandmother of Madeleine McCann has said Portuguese police made mistakes at the start of the hunt for her, possibly because they were "inexperienced"...
What I don't understand, is that according to Crustus, this isn't the first, 2nd, 3rd...etc. time this has happened there, so I doubt any policeman could be 'inexperienced', I would be shocked to hear that all involved were inexperienced in this type of scenario, alot of covering of information is taking place, in order to maitain a depleteing tourist industry
Full Story from BBC News online below:

news.bbc.co.uk...



[edit on 10/5/2007 by deaman88]

Latest news from Portugal, police there are focusing on 3 suspects, two men and a woman in the search for little Madeleine McCann.

Police hunting for Madeleine McCann are said to be focusing on two men and a woman seen with a girl matching her description.

Madeleine: Missing for one weekOfficers have called a news conference for later today and Madeleine's parents were driven away at speed from their apartment.

Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt, who is in Portugal, says it appears there has been some significant development.

Source: Portugese police focused on 3 suspects

The parents are now reported to be at the local police station. New conference planned for later this afternoon.

Considering that the police are very secretive about releasing info, even to the parents, i am just hoping that this is something positive.

I know i'm not alone when i say i can't watch this news without thinking of my own two little girls. My 9 year old has gone away on her first school trip overnighter at a nearby coastal island today and whilst it's only one night and a great positive learning experiencefor her, i am counting the seconds till she gets back.

CX.

Originally posted by CX

I know i'm not alone when i say i can't watch this news without thinking of my own two little girls. My 9 year old has gone away on her first school trip overnighter at a nearby coastal island today and whilst it's only one night and a great positive learning experiencefor her, i am counting the seconds till she gets back.

CX.

I hear you CX, I can't watch this without thinking of my child as well. I can't imagine, I literally CANNOT imagine what those parents are going through. My son's first day of Pre-K was nerve wracking for both my wife and myself!

By the way CX, you've done a great job keeping this thread up to date. If I could give you a WATS I would.

Thanks for the thought lombozo.

What gets me though, and this just HAS to change, is how in the majority of serious incidents like this around the world, advisors from the UK and the US are called in to help.

This is obviously a great help for the country experiencing the incident, but in this day and age, why on earth is'nt every country updated on the latest investigation techniques as soon as they are discovered?

I realise that some countries are restricted by manpower and funding, but i would like to see EVERY country being able to conduct an investigation with the latest, most productive techiques available. Not have to wait a week before they start looking for a snatched child properly!

Maybe that was wrong to put it like that, i appreciate that the Portugese police are doing all they can, but when you see the expertise here in the UK and the US, it's frustrating to think the Portugese did'nt have instant access to this in thier own country.

It's also frustrating knowing that whilst this has been a very high profile search, there are still hundreds that go missing every week that no-one bats an eyelid about.

CX.

Originally posted by CXIt's also frustrating knowing that whilst this has been a very high profile search, there are still hundreds that go missing every week that no-one bats an eyelid about.

So true CX. Without wishing to sound unduly cynical it's amazing what a pair of big blue eyes and a pretty face can do for media coverage isn't it?

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Im hoping that this news conferance brings some news thats good,

Im hearing a town in southerbn spain has been sealed off,

*Crosses fingers*


NEW conference at 6.30 UK time,

Time of this post in 3.15 UK time,

[edit on 10-5-2007 by asala]

This is hopefully now going to be the end of it, as they have probably captured the people by now, they said it was nr Spain?

...Police have also asked locals if they recognise an image of a possible suspect, described by one shopkeeper as looking like "an egg with hair". ...

news.bbc.co.uk...

and:
...On Wednesday, Kate and Gerry issued a statement thanking those involved in the search for their daughter.

"At present we are channelling all of our emotions and all of our efforts into the steps that are being taken to secure Madeleine's safe return."...

So are we!

What gets me the most is this paragraph from CX's most recent newslink:

...Brunt said police have shown a still from the CCTV to a British tourist who confirmed it showed a man he had to chase off from photographing his daughter....

At least we know the MO for some of these gangs - watch out people photographing your kids, and also see if the parents are being targetted!

And never leave your kids unattended - ever! I know you have to let them grow up, and have trust in people, but you never can tell.

I was out the other day, and a little boy had lost his parents in a public area. Thankfully he was reunited, but the parents had no idea that he had gotten lost!


[edit on 10/5/2007 by deaman88]

Latest reports from Sky,

The British ambassador also went to the police station today when Madeleines parents were taken there.

There were also two other people taken to the police station at the same time but they were hidden under blankets in the back. This could just be other tourists who don't want to be identified though.

Apparently British police have been sent to the houses of the grandparents of Madeleine McCann, speculation is that it would be to possibly break any news prior to the news conference. Fingers crossed that it is to break positive news rather than negative.

This is very frustrating, whilst i think it is wrong for news networks to speculate in circumstances like this, theres little else they can do when there is so much secrecy around police investigations.

I'm not sure of the statistics, but i'm sure a major amount of breakthroughs in criminal investigations come from public assistance.

Press conference set for 6:30pm tonight.

CX.

Extracts of Portugese police briefing as it comes i....

Lots of people giving us lots of information and we are still investigating.

We are distributing an image of Madeleine.

All efforts have been made with services, police, rescue, air etc.

Everything available going into search.

Area has been divided into 3 zones. 200km has been searched.

Family has been interviewed again, there are no suspects within the mcCann family.

Clothes were recovered but they were not Madeleine's.

We have not detained anyone yet.

Still can't comment on the investigation details.

Searches are being scaled back somewhat, possibly due to the fact that the areas searched have come up with no results.



Well basically it looks like no news yet.

No news is good news as they say, then again good news is better that no news in this case.

Edit to include news update after press conference: Press conference

CX.





[edit on 10/5/07 by CX]

I have a feeling they have made arrests, and also have Maddy, but she will likely be with Spanish Authorites.

I don't fear the worse, Maddy is safe, and there was alot of good thoughts being sent out, the evil had nowhere left to run.

I think that the media helped broadcast the image of Maddy, and I said earlier she has a face that could easily be recognised.

I take it you meant 18:30 GMT CX?

Originally posted by deaman88

I take it you meant 18:30 GMT CX?

Ah yes

CX.

I got this news information from The Guardian Newspaper, UK.

It puts more detail on the information regarding the sightings of Maddy and the CCTV footage of the suspects.

Rest Assured, the car they were driving has now been sent as an APB to all european police forces.

The hunt for the missing British toddler Madeleine McCann appeared to be gathering pace today as reports emerged of a man and woman who fled after photographing young children in a nearby town just days before the three-year-old disappeared.

Here's the link to the rest of this story:

www.guardian.co.uk...

If I was a remote viewer then I wouldgo to the police and get an object that could speed up the search.

Hey crustas, know anyone?
The net is closing on these people, and they are extremely scared...

[edit on 10/5/2007 by deaman88]

Well, at least we know what part of the MO is, they take photos of the child, I mean how brazen is that? It also seems that they are tracking the movements of parents, so thats another tell tale sign.

This quote from CX's link:

"Brunt said police have shown a still from the CCTV to a British tourist who confirmed it showed a man he had to chase off from photographing his daughter."

This is the latest quote from the BBC:

Police have also asked locals if they recognise an image of a possible suspect, described by one shopkeeper as looking like "an egg with hair".