Are UFO Fleet videos serious evidence, or just another example of disinformation???

Here is a 1 hour and 33 minutes video of the mexico ufo conference.

They show a couple of ufo fleets at about 25 minutes into it and they are quite interesting.

Google Video Link

If its not balloons, all going in one direction.

Or birds, they wing it on by and don't linger or a gull doing thermals.

Then you got metal enclosures moving around on alternating current

invented by Tesla.

When something is wrong and someone beleives it's real, it isn't ' disinformation'.

It's just stupidness IMO to think that dots in the sky are Alienspace craft though, so I kinda beleive you there.

Accidental post

[edit on 1-5-2007 by selfless]

UFO Stands for Unidentified Flying Object.

If it was real, then what would be the purpose to have so many "aircrafts" in such a small area. The only time i have seen many flying objects together was in a war situation,birds migrating or a party having a balloon release.

Here's a new video (posted today) of some sphere's that were captured while the guy was documenting Chemspraying activity. Pretty interesting as it looks like the plane may of been either deploying the objects or retrieving them at one point. I've seen lots of orb pictures (and seeing them in person) in conjunction with Chemspraying but this is the first time I've seen this!

Unknown Objects in Videos of Jets over East Texas

PatriotOne, that link could easily have its own thread devoted entirely to its subject matter. I'd like to see it at least. The second image looks a lot like the translucent disc/orb posted yesterday (first image).




And those aren't balloons or birds, either. As for the fleet videos, they're not dots; that's just ignorant. I don't see any reason to believe they're birds but balloons, maybe, but not in all of them IMO.

They kind of look like this though, a similar formation in 1952, over DC.


And this NASA pic... of space-faring balloons?

Originally posted by xiphiidae
PatriotOne, that link could easily have its own thread devoted entirely to its subject matter. I'd like to see it at least.

Feel free to start as thread xiphiidae. I myself don't have the patience to nurture a thread only for people to call it fake or balloons or birds....LOL.

I've posted several times that these things are MAN-MADE UFO's that I have seen and have been video'd and photographed many, many times in conjunction with Chemtrail spraying and yet people persist on connecting them with ET's, balloons, birds, etc. Again, I'm not discounting the UFO field, but these are not ET's, birds, balloons, fake....these are man-made surveillance technology.

All these UFO videos of tiny non-descript dots in the sky really are annoying... they can be anything, be it ballons, debris or whatever else. Sad thing is, just because debunkers can't idenitify(debunk) it conclusively, because the video is so terrible and the dots so far away and non-descript, tons of people love to jump around and say its proof its alien ships or whatever.

UFO means UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object not "alien spacecraft", its sad to see how many aliens-at-earth believers forget this fact. Sadly enough it seems that the worse the quality of the video and more tiny/obscure/nondescript the objects in question are, the more popular it becomes and the more claims it gets for "alien UFO proof", since videos of such nature become hard if not impossible to "debunk" just cause you can't positively identify a tiny dot moving in the sky, no matter how good you are.

I'd love to see just one, just one video of a clear as day "spacecraft" posted by a reliable source with the source file available, that shows the full duration of the sighting and with the "spacecraft" within a 100 feet or something rather then hundreds or thousands of feet making it some dot or blob or vague shap. With all the UFO videos out there, all the claims... its pretty amazing no one can come up with this. Just one, I'd like to see just one.

nybaseball44,

If you have the patience to sit through the 1 hour and 33 minutes video i posted up there, there is some very interesting ufo footage in it.

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I personally debunked 2 of Arturo Robles Gil's fleets as balloons and another as birds. There was also this fleet from Spain last year where the actual witness sent me the footage on a DVD for me to analyze. BIG MISTAKE! I spotted 3 objects which seemed to be closer that the others, having strings waving in the breeze directly underneath the white objects.

This made me upset because I claim to have videotaped 3 fleets in the last 3 years but they look nothing like the fleets we see in Mexico. Needless to say I am putting my own crediblity out there but since the objects in my videos looked considerably higher and watching the objects form constellations and moving independently, just about proves intelligent control on my videos. Of course I could be wrong and will admit it if we can debunk the sightings but for now my fleets seem to be the real deal.

I have done several balloon tests over the past 2 yrs and the results were amazing. I used party balloons and regular balloons as well as odd shaped balloons but the results blew me away.

Party balloons do not go high enough to even consider them to be used in a fleet video so forget the shiney colorful balloons because of that reason alone. They do not go high enough and you lose sight of them within 5 minutes if not using binoculars.

Regular balloons on the other hand can go high up but you still lose sight of them after 10 minutes or so making it hard to see like these fleets. BUT there are a few factors we have to consider...The weather, how many, how big, with a string attached or without, the camera used, was a tripod used and a few other things I can't recall right now.

I believe that most of the fleets from Mexico are balloons and that Arturo Robles Gil is NOT the most credible videographer we've heard of. I met Jaime Maussan and Santiago Yturria and some other searchers from Mexico and I can tell you this much about all of them...They do not try to debunk any of the UFO videos sent to them nor do they practice skywatching like a real UFO videographer/UFO hunter. If the video looks good to them then they will say it's real and we are supposed to believe them? Who are they anyway? What a joke. I've seen Jaime get all excited about a balloon reflecting sunlight with multiple flashes seemingly coming from within the balloon and post this on his UFO conference video. It was then I knew that even the so called LEGIT researchers are not so LEGIT.

Sorry to burst your bubble guys (no pun intended) but most of the fleets from Mexico are nothing more than balloons and birds. I've done the tests.

Richie G in AZ

WHO IS RICH GIORDANO ?

Rich Giordano was once an enthusiastic skywatcher from Phoenix, AZ
who liked to exchange his ufo videos with some serious researchers
and friends in and out of the US. He was also a fan of the mexican
ufo sightings for several years and had correspondence with those researcners.
Some of Giordano's videos were featured on tv shows in Mexico.

Rich Giordano learned about the flying humanoids phenomena
from the mexican researchers and got interested.
Later he videotaped also one of this flying humanoid sightings
in Phoenix and got excited. Sent this video to the mexican
researchers and made public the footage.
Then subsequent flying humanoid sightings followed for Giordano.

By this time he was gaining some fame and publicity and got
interviewed on local channel in Phoenix. Everything went well
and sustained more correspondence with the mexican researchers.
More tv interviews followed.
Phoenix was again a hot spot for ufos awakening national interest.

At that same time skywatchers from Phoenix like Jeff Willes, Jeff
Woolwinne, Rob Kritkausky and others attracted also the spotlights
due to their ufo videos. This seemed to upset Rich Giordano and he
decided to debunk them all as hoaxers claiming all those videos
were just flares and guess what ? Balloons. It's clear Giordano
was not going to share the scenario with others so he declared
a war against the skywatchers who represent a competition and
a regrettable controversy started. Personal attacks, difamations,
slandering etc. contaminated the Phoenix ufologic scenario.

Seeing this situation the mexican researchers decided to end all
correspondence with Rich Giordano and stay away from the conflict.
This reaction caused anger and frustration to Giordano and some
nasty emails were received from him. Giordano´s frustration
escalated to a higher level and now he is claiming none of the
Phoenix and Mexico sightings and videos are legitimate, only
his own videos are real. Do I need to say more ?

We have seen these regrettable cases like Rich Giordano many
times in ufology. Skywatchers that got captured by ego and arrogance
changing dramatically their personality and psychological profile into
a complete state of denial to the outside world beliveing his own
world is the only real one.

Rich Giordano has not in any way debunked any of the mexican
ufo sightings to date simply because he has not been there, he
has not provided a single legitimate recreation of any ufo video,
he has not provided a link nor a solid hard evidence to disqualify
any single mexican video to date and he knows that.

Rich Giordano's claims have been only demagogic statements
that are merely words that at the end mean nothing-zero-nada.
Rich Giordano mentioned Arturo Robles Gil, the world's famous
mexican skywatcher with offensive words trying to discredit
Arturo's work, just like he did with Willes, Woolwine and others.
Giordano's motives are striclty personal and have nothing to do
with Arturo's videos. Giordanos motives are clear and obey to
jealousy and mundane interests.

The evidences of Rich Giordano's strange personality and
controversial behavior are there on the Internet for everyone
to review. Too bad how a promising young skywatcher fell so
deep into a regrettable state of denial for everyone just to try
to justify his own frustration and resentment.

This post has been made executing the free right to reply to
Rich Giordano's statements.

Originally posted by xiphiidae
PatriotOne, that link could easily have its own thread devoted entirely to its subject matter. I'd like to see it at least. The second image looks a lot like the translucent disc/orb posted yesterday (first image).

And those aren't balloons or birds, either. As for the fleet videos, they're not dots; that's just ignorant. I don't see any reason to believe they're birds but balloons, maybe, but not in all of them IMO.

They kind of look like this though, a similar formation in 1952, over DC.


And this NASA pic... of space-faring balloons?

The Orb image on top is clearly a fake, seen it done on photoshop. Plus the rest of the image shows a very grainy film. The "UFO" hs no noise or grain, hence showing that it is infact modified by a photoediting utility.

There is a thread on ats about the UFO battle in Antarctica.

There is other evidence that the fast fliers need to only swoop next to
a plane to freeze the controls and rip it up and knock it out of
action.

The Mexico fleet videos only show their power, way better than our
defenses.

Is it serious evidence, yes because they will make any force stand down.

Any stand down come to mind, 911 had one.

Also with JFK Jr. rescue did not go too well for the FAA, perhaps they stood
by.

So the fleet is in control, thats what.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
definately birds or geese, w/e, in the second video. the first one idk, id have to say balloons as well but dang, who releases that many balloons like that?

Parties, events, celebrations. I know how you feel I thought the same when I saw that video the first time but a few months back I saw the exact same effect in my town - went berserk for a second and then calmed down and tried to clear all ends of the subject before screaming "Alienzzz!" Turned out that an unschedulled and unannounced kindergarten visit to a park a few miles away involved the massive release of hundreds of balloons just for fun.

The fleets are real and enjoy the cover of every person sworn to protect
the United States of America.

Thats why so many excuses belie the obvious.

The truth can not be told by any one in the government official word corner.

The fleet means quite a few protected UFOs enjoy joy rides at your expense.

What do you think, would it be fun to be their position.

free_spirit, I would love to know where you got that information from, because it is totally FALSE. You got it all the wrong way around. I have known Rich Giordano for a long time, he is one of the most credible Skywatchers out there. People tend to have a problem with him because of his humor and his HONESTY. With Rich, what you see is what you get. Rich Giordano has contributed alot to UFOlogy in my opinion, and he's one of the rare 'good guys.' Where Rich is different to most other Skywatchers is the fact he DEBUNKS his own footage when possible, and also other peoples, namely Jeff Woolwine, the guy who films balloons by getting his son to release them down the street, Jeff Woolwine who fakes MUFON field investigator certificates, the list is endless. When Jeff Woolwine sent Rich Giordano an unedited tape of all his sightings, 400 of them in two years! (Yeah right Woolwine) Rich saw right away that most of the objects Jeff had filmed were balloons, you could see the damn strings on them! When Rich got back to Jeff and gave his HONEST opinion on what Jeff had filmed, Jeff didn't like it and thats when all the trouble started. Jeff started saying things like "Rich is jealous of me because of what I have on tape." "Rich is jealouse because I found a link to Petroglyphs & UFOs carved on the rocks here on South Mountain in AZ." Rich has proof that Woolwine is a hoaxer, and so do I infact. As I said people don't tend to see eye to eye with Rich because he is honest about what he does and what he see's, and that is wrong. Why should somebody lie and sugar coat something for someone so they feel good about catching balloons on tape, or a plane, or a helicopter, or anything else that can be explained? Anyway if people actaully took the time to get to know this guy, and what he does, and what he is all about, you will see him in a different light. As I said, Rich Giordano is one of the good, honest guys, he says what he thinks.

Here are some UFOs to debunk.

Not a fleet but singles. Some areas spring up with lots of sightings and
the random photographer finds them.

I don't think any hot spots last more the one year until operations
change with new orders.

So are these serious UFO sighting? What do you think?
Any guess on the propulsion system?

Like anyone is gonna know.