Kansas City Police Worry About 'Catering' to Islamic Rituals at Airport

Well I hope you can listen to the show I am unable to get it here so let me know. I will check the show notes after the show of course in case you misss this post

Just looked at her show notes and she says it will be on the air covered with an interview at 10 your time

At 10am, I'll talk with Joe McBride, representative for the KCI Airport, about a WorldNetDaily story I saw over the weekend. I have received a ton of emails about the "foot-basins-for-muslims" installed at KCI. Some of the emails are from cab drivers who feel that this new installation is prejudice against the non-muslim drivers, since the management is ran by an iranian. I'll get to the bottom of this debacle...

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Run by an Iranian oh the plot thickens

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Yup she's about to cover it. Stay tuned!

I just sent her and her producer the picture I posted earlier with a link too last nights video. I just hope they open it before she finished

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AHHH THE CREDIT SOLUTIONS BANNER JUST FILLED THE PAGE!!@# Evil mouseover ad. Evil evil evil!

Anyway... sounds like they too are suspicious of the official line and will be digging some more and covering the story tomorrow again. Although to me it does sound like this all originated from some Christian right-winger making a stink over a sink.

Originally posted by shots
Well I hope you can listen to the show I am unable to get it here so let me know. I will check the show notes after the show of course in case you misss this post

Sorry I missed this post. You're unable to get it? I think all you have to do to listen to the stream is register. Unless your limitations are hardware/software or something.

Originally posted by apc


Sorry I missed this post. You're unable to get it? I think all you have to do to listen to the stream is register. Unless your limitations are hardware/software or something.

No I did not see a place to register I have the ability if I can find the stream will have to explore the pages some more. If you know the link to register could you post it just in case I miss it.

thanks

Edit to add duh I found it right in the upper left hander corner on their home page where I never went LOL so no need for the link but thanks

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here is the latest from WND which has some excelleant pictures shot at a distance where you can clearly make out they were not what they claimed to be.

Airport admits installing foot-washing benches
But denies they're intended for Muslim cab drivers



Foot-washing benches at a taxicab facility restroom at Kansas City International Airport (photo: Phillip Morgan)


This one appears to be for taller individuals next to a normal size

Picture from inside a Mosque

And here we see where Muslims perform their ritual of "wudu" inside of a mosque.

They look the same don't they? Thats because they are.
What a different impression two pictures make when taken from the proper perspectivwe. Now we have to wait ans aee what Darla says on this


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I wonder how many handicapped Muslim taxi drivers they have.

Yup I'll be listening in T-minus 1hour.

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If these do turn out to conclusively be designed for Muslim foot washing, I still won't really care. The only thing that will concern me is the deception.

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Yeah I am watching the clock too. Wonder how the airport press release official is going to wiggle his way out of this.

It sorta looks like his first stantment was not as it should have been, but in all fairness he could just have been reporting just what he was told. We will have to wait and see.

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APC did you make out just what they are getting at now when referring to these facilities by calling them showers for little people or is that the airport official wiggling?

Yeah he is wiggling for sure now listening to him a coincidence they look the same and then he was not involved in the design but the individual who was thought it was a good design? Yeah right wonder if that was the Iranian who runs the facility?

Darla made a very good point about the safety issue regarding the missing lip that is a concern of many. Perhaps the other drivers should file a complaint with OSHA..........

Now they are going to the question segment will comment more later


Did I just here that correct a lady limo driver said they took the ladys room for them????

Oh man then the next guy says it smells so bad in there it suggests they are not washing all the parts that really need washing and get this some washed their feet in toilets Toilets????

I am editing this on the fly because I do not want to spam the board with saveral posts so bear with me as I cover this blow by blow.


She is droppping this as unresolved because airport officials say one thing the evidence and others are saying otherwise, but implied the evidence points that they are in fact for muslims only because they are so low and no one but muslims use them nor do they wash cabs as airport officaks stated)not in those exact words but close enough.

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I was half listening to the radio and half in a meeting during the first part of the segment, but here's what I was able to make out.

Before construction of this building Muslim drivers would indeed use the terminal bathrooms to meet their needs, including washing their feet in the toilets (the height aspect makes sense at least...).

The construction of this specific wash room was reportedly not done with Muslims specifically in mind.

The missing lip means those washing their feet for ritualistic cleansing purposes would come in contact with the "dirty" water after cleansing, negating the process.

The faucet heads are spray nozzles, not spickets, making their usefulness for appropriate foot cleansing minimal.

The water is not heated. Apparently they're supposed to use hot water when cleansing their feet.

The womans bathroom was not taken away. A lock was put on the door because they were having problems with men using it. The key was available, but apparently not all the women knew it.

My synopsis: This room was built with Muslims in mind as they were creating a mess in other areas, but not specifically for them, as indicated by the lack of compliance with their exact needs. It is not a public use area. It is specifically for employees. This is nothing more than an employer meeting the needs, religious or otherwise, of their employees at the expense of those employees, which should be entirely within their right.

Originally posted by apc
My synopsis: This room was built with Muslims in mind as they were creating a mess in other areas, but not specifically for them, as indicated by the lack of compliance with their exact needs. It is not a public use area. It is specifically for employees. This is nothing more than an employer meeting the needs, religious or otherwise, of their employees at the expense of those employees, which should be entirely within their right.

I agree apc.

Just another sensationalised anti-muslim story.

Originally posted by apc
The faucet heads are spray nozzles, not spickets, making their usefulness for appropriate foot cleansing minimal.

Not true several of the Muslims in the TV video stated they had used them for washing their feet.

The water is not heated. Apparently they're supposed to use hot water when cleansing their feet.

Odd the levers I see look like standard hot cold shower levers to me.
Also I do not recall hearing any mention that the water was not heated. Also see above where I noted that Muslims on TV had stated they had used them for washing their feet.

The womans bathroom was not taken away.

That is not one one lady caller stated she said they converted what had been the ladies room. They then put a lock on the new room they gave them to keep men out, at least that was my take on what she said.

Originally posted by Koka
Just another sensationalised anti-muslim story.

Not really lets consider all the evidence obtained so far

1. The pictures shown between those facilities right down to the rail and height of shower heads is the very same as those in mosques. (see external links above in previous post)

2. The other day airport officials stated that they used the facilities (to fill buckets) to wash cars, yet today several stated on the phone that no one is allowed to wash cabs at the airport.

3. Several m cabdrivers stated on the live video that they used the facilities for washing.

4. One of the shower heads show on the video contradict What APC stated and it had been changed. Check the video it is the red one.

5. Several other drivers stated the Muslims were the only ones using them.

Those are all known confirmed facts

Now if they were meant for ALL why are the shower heads so low?????
Why are their benches right in front of the shower heads as they are in mosques? As you can see there are far to many coincidences here with one discrepancy which is the floor lip and even that could be explained away by saying when designed the floor had been pitched towards the drain by the masons only it never worked right.


Now here I will throw in another picture of a mosque in Wales





A sensationalised anti-muslim story this is not just look at the facts. What you have is a cover up by airport officials.

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Originally posted by shots
Not true several of the Muslims in the TV video stated they had used them for washing their feet.
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Odd the levers I see look like standard hot cold shower levers to me.
Also I do not recall hearing any mention that the water was not heated. Also see above where I noted that Muslims on TV had stated they had used them for washing their feet.
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That is not one one lady caller stated she said they converted what had been the ladies room. They then put a lock on the new room they gave them to keep men out, at least that was my take on what she said.

Minimal does not mean impossible. What was stated by the first KCI representative on air was that his understanding was to perform the ritual correctly it is preferable to use a solid stream of water, not a spray. Another taxi driver who called in after the interviews confirmed that using a sprayer splashes too much water around.

There were multiple mentions of the water not being heated.

And the lady you're referring to I believe was one of the limo drivers. The KCI rep (I forget his name, not McBride) stated the area that became the washroom was formerly a patio of some kind. Not the womans restroom.

I don't think even the KCI guys are disputing that the Muslims use the facilities to wash their feet. But they used to use toilets, too. Were the toilets designed specifically for Muslims? Apparently neither was this washroom. It may have originally been designed with attention given to things that would help accommodate the needs for a majority of the employees, but it was not built exclusively for those needs.

Originally posted by apc
Were the toilets designed specifically for Muslims? Apparently neither was this washroom. It may have originally been designed with attention given to things that would help accommodate the needs for a majority of the employees, but it was not built exclusively for those needs.

You know what they say a picture is worth a thousand words there are several links above. Might I suggest you go and look them over closely, when you do you can deny your own ignorance. I am convinced after looking at the facilities in the mosques around the world and those at KCI are so similar there is no doubt what they were built for.

Oh and before you try to argue the shower head theory again it will not fly because many shower heads can be adjusted to a stream by turning the head.

Adjustabele Shower head

you know what they say, if it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck; it is a duck



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They make massaging shower heads too, yah know. A foot massage sounds mighty nice.

Sorry, you're looking at this with your bias goggles. There is enough evidence here to cause reasonable doubt. But not enough to surpass it.

Originally posted by apc
Sorry, you're looking at this with your bias goggles. There is enough evidence here to cause reasonable doubt. But not enough to surpass it.

With all do respect I think it is you who is wearing the goggles not me.

We have two pictures at two angles of KCI and several from mosques around the world showing the very same seating, heights and arrangements with one exception and that is the floor drain, which as I stated could have been caused by human error when pitching the floor. Other then that they are identical, yet you call that reasonable doubt?



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Sorry, but absent a sign outside that says "Muslim Ablution Area", and considering the obvious lack of compliance with the exact needs for the ritual, it is clear that this room was not built for the explicit purpose of providing an ablution room. Built knowing it could be used as such by a Muslim less strict on their ritual requirements, sure. Seeing as they were using toilets before. So there's nothing wrong with that. If you think there is, then your employer should be expected to have you work on Christmas (I assume you're Christian). After all, they would be catering to your religious observations in a non-religious way.

Now if they had installed one of these...