I do not recomend playing online poker! Here is why!

I used to love to log in and play online poker for real money on certain sites and didn't think much of it but recently I became to realize its all a scam and a very good one at that. I got no direct proof they are manipulating their games but I just see so many unrealistic plays that there has to be bots operated by the site winning peoples money. Its not enough they make money from the rake they also want the big prizes that multi table tourneys have.

Why do I think its rigged? Well I play live and online poker and usually 6-9 players per table so I know pretty much every hand value pre-flop n such and the hands online look blatantly juiced to get people betting more. Why do most poker sites operate in places like Costa Rica and Gibraltar ? Because its protects them from certain laws and allows them to make tax free dollar after dollar.

I plan on putting together a report complete with my entire hand history that I can get sent and observing many more big money tourneys to better explain the pattern of fraud I suspect is taking place. I want to get the attention of my countries government and hopefully investigate these sites properly. I was against the USA's online gambling bill and now I sort of support it and would only accept the credibility of such sites if my own country could investigate their practices.

Just think for a second what is going on, literally MILLIONS of people are at any given time are gambling with real dollars online and we are just supposed to trust their software? With that much money going through the sites doesn't it just seem to obvious regular people are being cheated? Not only that other players can talk on MSN and other programs and be on the same table colluding against you!

After seeing to many bad unrealistic situations I will no longer play or support any online poker site and I highly recommend to never play for real money online they will make you think your going to win and they you will get drawn in to their game. If there isn't any scamming goin on then I am just a mad ex-online player but if I am right and they have site bots out then dollars are leaving my country to go to some other place and that can have bad consequences if it goes to far.

[edit on 27-4-2007 by Slickinfinity]

Casinos and gambling houses have historically set the odds and mechanisms up in such a way that they always win.

Its usually a sucker bet. Especially online where you can't see the dealer or the deck.

I don't know about that... I have played online too, and sometimes theres just bad beats.. Sometimes it's fishy, but unless you can prove someone had a really horrible hand but still had so much 'faith' in it. For example if someone has 45 and JQ2 comes out and they keep reraising or something and a straight comes out.

I dunno, it could be rigged but you gotta think that if you are playing with your friends you most likely will only play a fraction of the amount of hands you would play online due to shuffling, talking, being drunk and not paying attention. So you will see alot more bad beats and crazy hands just because of the amount of hands you can play in a certain amount of time. Plus if you are at a 9 person table there is alot people could be chasing.

In any case I would like to see your evidence just out of curiosity. (I usually only play freerolls on fulltilt now, no real money).

im not even sure if these sites are regulated, they are all operating overseas. I stopped playing for money because i am sure that those werent bad beats that i took.

I too play online a lot.

I have cashed out my real money account, invested $50 and turned it into just over $200.

I have seen my share of "bad beats" too.

Are the sites cheating, I don't think so. Are the players cheating, using "bots" or whatever to calculate odds, etc, or some way to see what the next card to be dealt is, maybe?

I played in an online casino about 4 years ago and hit on a 650.00 jackpot
that was never paid to me, so this doesnt surprise me.
The place was out of the Cayman Islands, so what am i gonna do? lol

Digital poker games run on bottom line math.

There's quite a few people that win but the bottom line for the institution that facilitates the games will always turn up positive.

The few winners are the advertisement and the 1000's that loose money (be it small amounts or large) are the ones that feed the bottom line.

If your one of the people winning, your either incredibly good or chosen by the system to be one of the winners.

We're constantly investigating these kinds of sites run out of Europe and persistently find all of them cheating to scopes outside of the gaming laws in the country's the businesses are registered in.

Once we enforced the laws, the sites and company's behind them shut down within months and their bottom lines during that time are with serious losses.

The problem is, they simply start all over again under another name and/or in another country. This untill we receive complaints for the new business and investigate all over again.

Don't gamble if your not face to face and sitting at the place of bussines, if you win, you've been lucky enough to have been temporarely chosen by the system to win.

Originally posted by elevatedone
I too play online a lot.

I have cashed out my real money account, invested $50 and turned it into just over $200.

I have seen my share of "bad beats" too.

Are the sites cheating, I don't think so. Are the players cheating, using "bots" or whatever to calculate odds, etc, or some way to see what the next card to be dealt is, maybe?

Id say there are probably a good number of on-line cheats. I mean why not? They have ingenious ways of cheating at their fingertips and no one watching them so they can cheat however they want.

Well when I first started I was winning good money and after a few months I just noticed how different the flops and types of hands were from live to online. There is also a few factors to take into consideration like people play more loose when they aren't facing their opponents and there is a lot more hands per hour but the weird draw outs and stuff I see are just to many.

Like I said before there is just to much money involved and it could be so easy for the employees or coders who wrote the software to make millions with some glitch of something because some times I swear they can see my cards lol(! This is one place where I want my government to step in and monitor and I have found a few sites that operate out of Canada and have been doin ok since I switched but would still like to see it all regulated by the OLGC which in my province is pretty good and credible.

My best advice is if you like poker to play live games and I personally don't like any other form of gambling but poker and I see no reason a good game of skill shouldn't be safe and free of cheating!

Just wanted to bump this thread to say there was a massive controversy in the poker world when Absolute bet and Ultimate Bet were found to be cheating, the poker system was sold to the new owners of UB and AB but a back door remained in the network which enabled remote access and display of the other users cards.

Goes to show that you can never say, no thats not possible because only five months after the orginal posters post, the online poker world exploded with this "conspiracy to million dollar theft reality"

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Yea my friend plays a lot and would win 300 here and there but if you keep playing you will lose it all back....like he did....

I played on $50 for about 2 weeks playing only 3-5$ quick tourneys......It was fun but some hands and cards people would pull were just unrealistic...


The only way to really make money on it is if you are playing 4 games at a time.....and at least $100.00 a games....Meaning you have about $400.00 at stake at any given moment...

You need to spend money to make money.....You also have to be able to afford to lose money..

Which means the people "with money" have a better shot at actually making money.

And since they are contributing more money to this company, they may give you a break where as the people like me paying 3-5 $ a tounrney are not that important as they don't make much money off of us.


My best friend though did win $500.00 in 2 days on some lucky cards...

He tried the next day to cash it out but it would not let him....

So he just played with it and eventually lost it..


That site is Full Tilt .........

It is fun and what not and a great place to play free poker if you want to up your skills before playing with your friends, but they are all somewhat scams while also being somewhat legit.......There is a fine line.....

Originally posted by elevatedone
I too play online a lot.

I have cashed out my real money account, invested $50 and turned it into just over $200.

I have seen my share of "bad beats" too.

Are the sites cheating, I don't think so. Are the players cheating, using "bots" or whatever to calculate odds, etc, or some way to see what the next card to be dealt is, maybe?

There is an unrealistic amount of certain cards being flopped on the river and turn that just does not happen in real life......

Too many times in one tourney have I seen myself get Pocket Aces and then get an Ace on the flop only to be beaten by 4 Queens....

It's the Queens which i have noticed are a bit suspect....Something is up with Queens and Jacks on there that the odds of them getting pulled are "off" from what it would be in real life.....


That is on Full tilt though......I heard Party poker is even worse......

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
I played in an online casino about 4 years ago and hit on a 650.00 jackpot
that was never paid to me, so this doesnt surprise me.
The place was out of the Cayman Islands, so what am i gonna do? lol

Exactly.....At least in a Casino, they regulate themselves and have people watching people watching people watching people to make sure you get paid what you have won....

Because they know eventually they will make money off of you.....they always do, so they have no problem being honest because their honestly keeps you coming back with a hope that you may win....

If you want to get them back, just use a couple Roulette Systems that are known to work and clean them out.

They work so well that if you use them to much they ban you.

Here is one example:


There are about 3 different methods you can use to guarantee a profit, and if you try just 1, they usually detect it and ban you. However, if you learn how to mix all 3 or more methods together, they don't detect it.

Good Luck.

-edit add-

Sorry if this is off topic, I just realized you were talking about "online poker" only. I jumped to the conclusiosn that you meant "online gambling" in general.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by ALLis0NE]

Sorry for writing in so old thread, guys !
I've read your story, Sickinfinity, and I'm impressed, really.
Just wondering it might everything changed since those times. Couldn't it ? I play mostly video one, and for real money too.

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I've noticed that different sites seem to have much different outcomes. I'd play a site for a good couple of months and then switch to another site. The draws seemed much different. Some site would just seemingly be a lot more Lucky with bad beats ect. I have no doubt that none of them are as fair as real life poker.

When you would look at the stats of your hands, you could see the differences between the site. I played enough to have good sample sizes.