Amazing footage - UFO Fleet - April 25th

I'm going to have to call shenanigans for two reasons.

1. Filming UFOs is not a mundane activity, and therefore you would LOWER THE GOD DAMNED RADIO. But no, god forbid you miss what that seven foot tall, hook nosed, poodle haired HACK is doing for five minutes. I turn my radio off if I see a plane that just "ain't quite right." I also usually open the windows and listen carefully. Now this guy is filming what he suspects to be UFOs, and has the opportunity to also record any sound, or lack thereof, that they might be making. Instead, he leaves ol Howie on, cause we can't miss what the next stripper in studio might say, can we? This just seems to casual to be real.

2. This guy has WAY too many UFO videos. I'm sorry, but I've never even seen what I suspected might be a UFO, and this guy's filming them left and right, I don't think so. I want to believe as much as the next guy, but I'm not even a gullicalf, let alone a gullibull. I'd say that maybe we should get Ritzmann or Biedny on the case, but I don't think it's worth their time. I just can't get that awful Meier taste out of my mouth ova here.

WOW! A whole fleet of helium balloons. Are they here to kill us?

@Sunsetspawn You might turn down the radio, doesn't mean that anybody else would think about it. So if somebody doesnt turn of the radio it automaticly is fake? Also, he doesnt claim he made the film, he seems to be interested in them and made a collection, does that also make it fake? Why not make a comment of what you think it is, instead of just make a flame reply.

I dunno..i turn down the radio when i have a near miss of a wreck, when someone talks, if i "feel" something funny about my car.

I sometimes turn down the radio when i mean to turn down the air conditioner because it is loud on full blast. Turning down the radio in a car is almost like scratching your nether regions: you do it without conscious thought.

I really do not mean to rain on your parade - but do ya'll like sit around all day and make movies with remote control planes and say look at the flying saucer?

Originally posted by WatertownStrip
I really do not mean to rain on your parade - but do ya'll like sit around all day and make movies with remote control planes and say look at the flying saucer?

Ok, we might as well close down the Aliens @ UFO forum then, everything could be remote controlled in some way. Why not show us the wings of the plane if you are so sure? The balloon stuff seems more plausible then your idea.

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
2. This guy has WAY too many UFO videos. I'm sorry, but I've never even seen what I suspected might be a UFO, and this guy's filming them left and right, I don't think so. I want to believe as much as the next guy, but I'm not even a gullicalf, let alone a gullibull. I'd say that maybe we should get Ritzmann or Biedny on the case, but I don't think it's worth their time. I just can't get that awful Meier taste out of my mouth ova here.

Thats a really good point. I know people who carry around a camera 90% of the time and have only caught maybe one ufo video. The frequency at which this guy is producing them calls his crediability into question. UFO's are by nature hard to capture. Unless he's communicating with them via walkie-talkie then yeah, I'd say his credability is questionable at best.

As I've mentioned earlier in this thread. This guy lives in AZ just like I do, and I've seen at lest 4 different sitings of UFO's here without even trying!!! Saying that this guy is fake just because he captures videos of UFO's holds no water. I also saw this same UFO 1 day after this video was taken so I can vouch that this is not fake! I and my wife saw 1 UFO, not the fleet that was filmed but it looked EXACTLY like what was caught on this film in the same location (Mesa) that we saw the UFO in the very nxt day.

I do not know this guy or anything about him, but I can tell you that at least this film is the real deal.

They are birds blurred into balls for some reason, similiar to the video added below. Probably been playing with nero vision. Yep yet another NOT Ufo sighting,

To inbed you just click on the "youtube video button" and enter the number in the URL after wacth v=

At least this one actually looks like something,

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
you created a question.

I would like more info on these animials you refer to. The reason i ask is because of some research I am doing on the ability of life to exist in more than extreme conditions (think: clouds of jupiter), and trying to grapple with a definition of what i would actually call life, even if i have to divide life into different categories (to account for my belief in matters of spirit).

I assume that this was directed to me and my "critters"

First of all let me say I do not see how discovering other and new lifeforms anywhere in the universe has any effect on matters of spirit. It MAY have an effect on certain Earth based religions, but since religions are made by man to interpret whats going on they are likely to be faulty to begin with.

If God made us here on Earth why do we limit Him to only Earth? The Universe is huge... seems to me he has better things to create than us bickering children

As to the "critters" All I have gathered so far is here... save for a few updates that I have to add. If you want to talk more as this thread is for the UFO video just u2u me

Its a good time to update anyway...

landoflegends.us...

I see life as nothing more than biological machines, and want to see if this metaphorical description holds when you challenge the aspect of "biological".

I agree but the energy that powers our biological machine is what I am interested in... call it "soul", "life force" or "cosmic energy" its there, its real and it survives... so it only remains to know if consciousness goes along with it

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
But no, god forbid you miss what that seven foot tall, hook nosed, poodle haired HACK is doing for five minutes.

The fans of the HACK are hooked... brainwashed into not turning it off EVER.. but I agree that was my first impression. I know a few UFO researchers that have caught one and they still seem awed when they catch one. This was too wishy washy

If you want to increase your chances of seeing one use an IR camera along side a real light camera and go near power stations LOL or park halfway between Nellis AFB and Area 51... might not see a UFO but you see some weird flying stuff

Speaking about a real researcher have a look at this one and tell me what you think... You will notice its only visible set to night vision...




[edit on 29-4-2007 by zorgon]

... so it only remains to know if consciousness goes along with it

Consciousness is lost when you take on a body. You are left with a restricted version. You regain full consciousness when your physical body dies.

Good Video, Zorgon, and by one of ATS's own, Johnny Anonymous to boot.
Maybe if we asked real nice the "Anonymous One" would drop in and give us a little more info on this sighting. What about it Johnny, are ya out there?

Originally posted by Oblate Spheroid
They are birds blurred into balls for some reason, similiar to the video added below. Probably been playing with nero vision. Yep yet another NOT Ufo sighting,

Birds? Can I ask why you jump to this conclusion? Because they vaguely resemble a V formation? Birds do not accelerate and decelerate on a whim like these objects seem to do.

And blur does not change birds into apparantly white solid spheres..

Originally posted by groingrinder
I live in East Mesa, and I missed this one. I will sure be on the lookout though.

I'm in AZ too! Woo!

Speaking about a real researcher have a look at this one and tell me what you think... You will notice its only visible set to night vision...

Plasma droppings and just the start of an nice noxious chemtrail.
You folks have to get with the technology.
Its Tesla aether lamps gone wild.
Most of the earths metal is decomposing the the air with those UFOs.

Do you fear a little more now, its hydrocarbon and metal air pollution
by people who care nothing about you.

Originally posted by Masisoar

It is my understanding that they'd have to be fairly large balloons to be able to be seen from the ground, as normal balloons dissappear fast because of their size.

I still beg to differ on the balloon theory....

1. the objects would have to be BIG balloons

2. there are two obects at 3:17 of the video that are at the same altitude going opposite directions?? if these were balloons carried by the wind would they do that?

still unexplained IMO...

Granted... several of the fleet videos from Mexico that i have seen could be balloons but there are also just as many compelling videos that remain a mystery.

for example:

I'm not sure what those objects are, it definatley wouldnt be hard to put them in with Adobe Prem Pro though or any number of other pieces of software.
They definatley dont look like balloons to me or any other things described.
I think the biggest give aways have been mentioned before, namely the audio - firstly he is so laid back about it all he keeps the radio on and secondly he really doesnt sound suprised to me.

Originally posted by shots
At first glance it looks like a great find but wait! lets Put two and two together here. They claim there was a whole fleet of them yet no mass media coverage of the sighting also no mention of anyone other then those heard on camera seeing them. Did you notice any excitement in the voices? look at the credits on the end of the video. The whole thing I am sorry to say appears to be a set up to promo their radio show. I could be wrong but many of those objects looked like Prophet Yahweh's balloons did. Fleet of UFO's???? Nope I am not buying it.

I'd like to just pop in here and throw some 'real information' your way. And I hope that I can do so diplomatically without hurting anyones feelings.

As much as I love this forum for doing the best in trying to 'deny ignorance', it can also be a sharp two-edge sword against the few of us that 'really' do spend a considerable amount of time looking skyward hoping to capture something to share with you all. The majority of us spend our own money in the purchasing of whatever we can afford, (sorry, not everyone can afford a used $10,000.oo FLIR or other UV/IR camera). We can't manipulate the media into broadcasting our footage, because frankly, not all sightings are going to have the same impact such as the one that occured over O'Hare Airport. Not everyone is going to see whatever it is that we saw at the time typically because people look forward and not up towards the skies. We all don't get excited over many of the sightings we have for exactly that same reason, we've experienced them before and so may appear to be more calm than what you may want us to react to. Yes we carry cameras in our cars and we do pull them out when we see something strange, and sometimes driving and holding a camera are already a dangerous combination, much less think about turning off (or down) the radio and possibly lose sight of the very object(s) were trying to get. 99% of us don't make any money nor do we sell our footage on a DVD, it's an out-of-pocket hobby with no positive financial return. Yes most of us own tripods, but there are those rare cases where the situation and circumstances wont allow for the usage of one, so we try our best to 'free-hold' a camera. The reason why the captures at times appears out of focus may be of various reasons, which should also include the fact that many captures give off at times what appears to be some form of distortion and no matter how great a lense you have, the object is going to appear that way. Some of us have better editing software than others and we will edit out some of the boring footage because we know you don't want to spend ten minutes watching us pan, zoom, focus and tilt our cameras for that little 10 seconds of 'decent footage'. Yes, not all captures are going to have a point of reference to help base the size and/or distance due to it's location and/or lack of and trees, clouds, houses etc. Yes, most of us legitimate skywatchers knows what a balloon, bird, bug or plane looks like from a distance as we've all captured them on camera at one time or another. Yes, some of us live in areas that have abnormally a higher percentage of sightings than other places, just because you might not believe so does not make it an inconsistent fact. Yes some of us might make podcasts or host a radio show, that doesn't mean that we don't also have 'real jobs', a wife and family and debts like the rest of you. No not all of us out there are trying to pull the wool over your eyes, and in most cases were doing our own debunking to try and help keep the community clean and honest. We get just as frustrated as you do when there aren't any 'clear images' of a capture. Most of us use our own money to travel to areas and spend hours or days in certain 'hotspot areas' only to be disappointed by not catching anything. And lastly, many of us are law-abiding citizens that maintain employment in everything from investment trading (such as myself with foreign currencies and metal commodities) to middle (and above) management positions, it's highly unlikely you'll catch us working at a McDonalds. We're not crazy, insane or take medications like prozac nor do we take drugs or smoke pot. Many of us are devout christian's and/or have strong religious or a strong faith-based belief system.

And after all of the above, and the 1000's of hours of deleting worthless "maybe it might be" footage, we submit the few captures that to us might really be something for everyone to see, knowing fully well that you all will have an 'armchair' opinion because the majority of you wont admit that your too lazy to try and capture something yourself. And it's so much easier to call something a hoax or birds, bugs, balloons etc., even tho most of you haven't stepped out of the house with your camera and even tried to photograph or videotape anything significant and/or created a batch of captures for comparative study or research. Now of course I'm not doing any finger-pointing here, because none of this would apply to any one of you I'm sure. I know in my heart that none of you would jump on a 'hoax-wagon' simply because the poster ahead of you might of implied such.

And with that said let me say that I know Rich Giordano (the gentleman that shot this footage). He is a reputable skywatcher and is equally notorious for being outspoken against those that try and hoax an event. Even if I don't alway agree with him on perhaps certain theories, I respect him for his diligence in wanting to keep the UFO community 'honest'. He speaks his mind and many in the community don't like it when he calls a spade a spade. But he does capture a number of UFO's and those of us that know how hard it is to actually get some real footage admire him for his tenacity.

Both he and I have scrutinized over many videos including supposed fleet video captures from Mexico (and elsewhere), and both believe that probably over 95% of what we've seen are balloons or other explainable objects. And the leftover percentage of unknowns are exactly that, unknown. So for Rich to actually post something similar to what some might call a "fleet capture" means that he too has labored over and scrutinized his footage before posting it.

I've seen and viewed the raw uncut footage from Rich himself and I find it hard to believe that these are just birds or balloons. Of course everyone has their own opinion, this I'm sure of and is readily apparent. One thing I also know is that these are unidentified (at this time), so of course would fall under the thought of them being UFO's. If your even really the slightest bit interested, why not email Rich with your queries, I can pretty much guarantee that he'll answer you.

[email protected]

Originally posted by Stormrider
Good Video, Zorgon, and by one of ATS's own, Johnny Anonymous to boot.
Maybe if we asked real nice the "Anonymous One" would drop in and give us a little more info on this sighting. What about it Johnny, are ya out there?

It's been discussed a number of times and here's at least one of the most recent threads.
www.abovetopsecret.com...