School trip to a White Privilege Conference raises red flag for feds

School trip to a White Privilege Conference raises red flag for feds

seattletimes.nwsource.com

Officials with the federal Department of Education are scheduled to hold a conference call today with representatives of the Seattle School District to determine if the district violated the law in sending students to a White Privilege Conference in Colorado this month.

A diverse group of 20 students, along with two administrative staff members and at least one teacher, attended the four-day conference, said district spokesman David Tucker.

The conference, sponsored by, among others, the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, serves as an opportunity to "examine and explore difficult issues related to white privilege, white supremacy and oppression," according to its Web site.

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Why are tax dollars used to send kids to a conference to make them feel bad about being white? Do we really need to instill a sense of white guilt in kids today?

I have often heard antictdotal tales of little kids not realizing that their friends are black, or whatever other race you want to use, until an adult points it out. Now, it seems we are holding seminars on the topic.

It seems to me the school district may have know this was wrong to do but did it anyway.

"The school district did not indicate that it intended to send students to a White Privilege conference in documents outlining the plans for how the grant funds would be spent ...

Did the name of it slip their mind?

On top of that

To pay for travel, lodging and food for students and staff, the district budgeted $10,000, most of which came from a federal education grant called the Smaller Learning Communities program. That program is intended to help create small academies within high schools.

Were they planning on setting up a white guilt club at the school?



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Originally posted by WellSee
Why are tax dollars used to send kids to a conference to make them feel bad about being white?

Excellent question. I'd be extremely ticked if it were my tax money being spent on this garbage .. and I'd be extremely ticked if my child had been subjected to that kind of mind bending P.C. blathering.

Originally posted by WellSee
Why are tax dollars used to send kids to a conference to make them feel bad about being white? Do we really need to instill a sense of white guilt in kids today?

Ok...

So diverse actually means white now? So much for "diversity..."

I have often heard antictdotal tales of little kids not realizing that their friends are black, or whatever other race you want to use, until an adult points it out. Now, it seems we are holding seminars on the topic.

I'm sure you haven't heard anecdotal tales of people being subjected to white privilege, though...

It seems to me the school district may have know this was wrong to do but did it anyway.

So, it's wrong to examine the reality of white privilege? I guess you're only addressing white people, though.

You know, I made a thread about white privilege a while back, and many white people said I was making up WP. So I guess there's no harm if these kids go to seminars about this imaginary phenomenon.

I say GREAT. The more people are educated about WP, the quicker this will be removed from American society, along with its big brother white supremacy.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Ok...

So diverse actually means white now? So much for "diversity..."

OK... You got me there. It does say diverse. However, there is very little diversity in Seattle to begin with (source), so I would have to imagine the group was very white.

So, it's wrong to examine the reality of white privilege? I guess you're only addressing white people, though.

Actually, I was addressing the fact that the school district failed to mention what it was using $10,00.00 of public money for.

You know, I made a thread about white privilege a while back, and many white people said I was making up WP.

I wouldn't say that YOU made it up. In fact, I think it may have been real in the 60's and 70's. But now, with the advancements made with respect to civil rights and equal opportunity, I feel it is much more of a non-issue. People are so obsessed with diversity (probably a good thing) the mere hint of giving the advantage to someone because they are white draws huge amounts of criticism and therefore corporations and society as a whole go out of their way to make sure there is no such thing as WP.

So I guess there's no harm if these kids go to seminars about this imaginary phenomenon.

The harm is that they spent $10,000 in public funds to investigate the "imaginary phenomenon".

The more people are educated about WP, the quicker this will be removed from American society, along with its big brother white supremacy.

Are you saying because I am white, and, in your opinion, I enjoy WP, I am one step away from being a white supremacist?

What I think is that in today's culture, it is hard to deny that there is oportunity for everyone, regardless of race.

I did not receive any scholarships because I am white. I know for a fact that I was almost passed over for the job I have, that I excelled at as a temp, because I am white. This does not bother me nor am I going to claim minority priviledge. It was done because diversity is important to my company and my industry and, as stated above, Seattle is a white town. I knew this going in. All it did was make me work harder and make my self indispensable to the company, therefore securing my job. I did not sit back, hope that I was going to get the job , and then blame affirmative action or minority priviledge, or anything else when I was passed over for it.

As with most other societal issues, this can be fixed if people stop blaming imaginary, or long dead, issues and just take some personal repsposibillity.

Originally posted by truthseeka
I say GREAT.

Yeah lets teach these kids white people are to be blamed for everything bad that happens to any person of color. If a white kid gets an A on a paper that a color kid gets anything lower it had to be white privilege it couldn't be that that white kid studied hard and deserved the grade.... no way

Isn't that what they'll get from this white kids will hate that they are white and can't blame anything on anyone. And the colored kids learn that they can blame white people for anything they want.

Colored kids? Seriously, how old are you?

WellSee, I get it now. 10 grand of public money for this, what a crime.

It's on par with BILLIONS going to kill Iraqis.

Or TRILLIONS missing from the Pentagon.

Oh, the OUTRAGE! 10 grand going to educate kids about WP. THE HORRORRRRR!!



And I wasn't calling you a Klansman; I was pointing out that WP and WS still exist. AND, I'd like to address a common claim made by white people when WP comes up.

Just because non-white people talk about WP does NOT mean they are not successful. It means that they are aware of WP.

BTW Scrub, many white kids would get mad at me when I got higher grades on papers than they did. They wondered how come they didn't have an affirmative action-appointed person that wrote their papers for them, even during standardized tests, like I did.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Colored kids? Seriously, how old are you?

Not that old (25)I just didn't what to type all the races. I quess I could have typed non-white kids

Originally posted by truthseeka
BTW Scrub, many white kids would get mad at me when I got higher grades on papers than they did. They wondered how come they didn't have an affirmative action-appointed person that wrote their papers for them, even during standardized tests, like I did.

I'm sure but at least those white kids didn't get to go to a conference telling them to blame affirmative action for you getting a better grade

Originally posted by truthseeka

WellSee, I get it now. 10 grand of public money for this, what a crime.

It's on par with BILLIONS going to kill Iraqis.

Or TRILLIONS missing from the Pentagon.

Oh, the OUTRAGE! 10 grand going to educate kids about WP. THE HORRORRRRR!!

If I had started a thread about the war or corruption on the government, I would have commented on this.

Colored kids?! Really Scrub?! That's totally inappropriate. And I don't think I am being overly PC when I say that.

And I wasn't calling you a Klansman

Good to hear. I just wanted to be sure.

Just because non-white people talk about WP does NOT mean they are not successful. It means that they are aware of WP.

And just because white people argue against WP does NOT mean they ARE successful.

Whether or not you (anyone) is successful, when you argue that a force like WP is keeping a group down, it is, in my opinion, an attempt to remove personal responsibility from the equation.

Again, WP may have been real in the 60's and 70's, but today it is nothing more that a crutch to lean on and a way to let one's self off the hook for one's own failures.

Seriously...

It was ten white children going to a conference to instill guilt in them for what their great-great-great grandfathers have done. This isn't about money, it is about ten, young white children were brought to some sort of conference that taught them that they should feel guilty.

Maybe it's time to move on from this "I wanna lay a guilt trip on you" and start "We should be friends because [fill in _ANY_ thing here.]"

The more we try to lay guilt on a person or persons, the more we end up making these people feel less worth, and unworthy to call themselves a human being.

The faster we can quit playing the guilt game and concentrate on how to make everyone get along the better it will be.

But as I've said before, there will be those who like you or hate you. And it's in NO-ONES right to choose that for you. You need a special experience in your life to change your views. I have a friend who was in the KKK. He hated blacks more then I knew was possible. But he had an affirming experience (an act of kindness from the opposite race) which made him see things in a whole new light.

But hey, what do I know right? I'm just a white european who has no clue.

Peace.

Interesting... Now i have not really looked at this, but if it was a school in the direct seattle area it would be diverse. I know this because i live in seattle. The farther you get from seattle the more white people there are. I actually don't see a problem with it at all, if this were an African-American Conference I garentee nothing would have been said.
Yes, what white people did was wrong, but will we ever reach a level that we can all be truly equal? At the moment we are not. Don't believe me? Look at what happened to Don Imus, He should not have been fired, but a suspention and/or a fine is what should have happened for the idiotic comment he made.

Originally posted by WellSee
And just because white people argue against WP does NOT mean they ARE successful.

I don't disagree with that; if you think about it, poor white people would be the whites you would EXPECT to argue against WP. The reason I said that was some whites assumed the only reason I made my WP thread was that I am a failure who can't make it on his own, so he needs someone else to blame.

Whether or not you (anyone) is successful, when you argue that a force like WP is keeping a group down, it is, in my opinion, an attempt to remove personal responsibility from the equation.

And you're entitled to such. However, I base my opinion around FACTS, such as the wage gap between blacks and whites. I don't mean to spit on your opinion and sound all high and mighty; I'm just saying that my opinion is not pure conjecture on my part.

Again, WP may have been real in the 60's and 70's, but today it is nothing more that a crutch to lean on and a way to let one's self off the hook for one's own failures.

And there you go; precisely what I said earlier.:shk:

Originally posted by Scrub
I'm sure but at least those white kids didn't get to go to a conference telling them to blame affirmative action for you getting a better grade

Yeah. That's because they were in such shock at it all, which they didn't mind communicating to me. They basically said "I'm white; how can you get a better grade on a paper than me?" Not so bluntly, but you get the idea.

Funny thing is, the ones who did as well or better than I did gave me PROPS...

And there you go; precisely what I said earlier.:shk:

Maybe I should rephrase what I said. I tried to make it clear that I was not speaking about you specifically. This is the first contact I have ever had with you.

You are however, arguing that the wage gap is a result of some kind of unseen force that causes whites to earn more that blacks, yes? How can you point to an unseen force as a cause?

Here is an article that argues otherwise. I'll grant you, it is from 1997 and was playing on the ebonics buzz at the time.

Here is another, and one that argues with more science behind it.

white privilege, a social relation
1. a. A right, advantage, or immunity granted to or enjoyed by white persons beyond the common advantage of all others; an exemption in many particular cases from certain burdens or liabilities.
b. A special advantage or benefit of white persons; with reference to divine dispensations, natural advantages, gifts of fortune, genetic endowments, social relations, etc.
2. A privileged position; the possession of an advantage white persons enjoy over non–white persons.
3. a. The special right or immunity attaching to white persons as a social relation; prerogative.
b. display of white privilege, a social expression of a white person or persons demanding to be treated as a member or members of the socially privileged class.
4. a. To invest white persons with a privilege or privileges; to grant to white persons a particular right or immunity; to benefit or favor specially white persons; to invest white persons with special honorable distinctions.
b. To avail oneself of a privilege owing to one as a white person.
5. To authorize or license of white person or persons what is forbidden or wrong for non–whites; to justify, excuse.
6. To give to white persons special freedom or immunity from some liability or burden to which non–white persons are subject; to exempt.

Source

1a: Granted by who? b: God?
2: What advantage? Higher wages? That's a chicken or the egg argument. Higher wages because of white priviledge or white privilidge because of higher wages.
3a: Rights are given equally, to all people by the Constitution and ensured to be equal by various acts and ammendments.
b: What if a non-white person demands this?
4a: Again, laws to make sure all priviledges are available to all. As for distinctions, I can have all that I can carry, but it is up to individuals to recognize them.
b: What?
5: Again, laws against this
6: ""
I can't agree with any of this, but then again, I guess the author was only addressing non-white people, though.

I may be missing a big point here, I would like my eyes to be opened to the "truth" of WP. However, I still see it as an excuse - either given by those who have failed, or on behalf of those who have failed - to absolve them of personal responsibility.

Also, I just had a thought. If WP is such a force, how are there non-whites who have been able to exceed? If there is no personal responsibility involved, shouldn't no non-white be able to overcome it and every white should be priviledged? Or do some people, regardless of color, just work harder than others?

Originally posted by truthseeka

Originally posted by WellSee
Why are tax dollars used to send kids to a conference to make them feel bad about being white? Do we really need to instill a sense of white guilt in kids today?

Ok...

So diverse actually means white now? So much for "diversity..."

I have often heard antictdotal tales of little kids not realizing that their friends are black, or whatever other race you want to use, until an adult points it out. Now, it seems we are holding seminars on the topic.

I'm sure you haven't heard anecdotal tales of people being subjected to white privilege, though...

It seems to me the school district may have know this was wrong to do but did it anyway.

So, it's wrong to examine the reality of white privilege? I guess you're only addressing white people, though.

You know, I made a thread about white privilege a while back, and many white people said I was making up WP. So I guess there's no harm if these kids go to seminars about this imaginary phenomenon.

I say GREAT. The more people are educated about WP, the quicker this will be removed from American society, along with its big brother white supremacy.

Well we better get rid of affermative action as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not very educated in this matter. What exactly does "white privelage" mean, what does it mean ya know?

My diver group of friends ismostly Hispanic, than black and not too many white folks. All the white Families I know though live equal to, or lesser than the Hispanic families that I associate with. I do not really see them being privelaged in any way.

Is white privelage the European dynasty that has ruled America, a land that is probably the most diverse nation on Earth, yet has been ruled by a European dynasty since its foundation? Is that what white privelage is? If these issues are no more, than why have not Asians, Africans, or South American decendants taken the highest leadership in this nation?

Originally posted by DYepes
Is white privelage the European dynasty that has ruled America, a land that is probably the most diverse nation on Earth, yet has been ruled by a European dynasty since its foundation? Is that what white privelage is? If these issues are no more, than why have not Asians, Africans, or South American decendants taken the highest leadership in this nation?

It would appear we are getting there as there is an actual major canidate running who is not white, Barak Obama.

I totally agree with you on the "diversity" of the Seattle area. I live on the Eastside, and well lets just say it's all whites and asians predominately.

I would say that Seattle is one of the most diverse areas in the country. Ethiopians, Somalians, Ukrainians, Russians, Czechs, Vietnamese, Laos, Thai, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Columbian you name it. They live in Seattle. There is a strong possibility that the "diverse" group of kids was actually VERY diverse. Its easy for you guys to make assumptions about our little corner of the world, but for the most part, you guys are kinda wrong. It's one of those "you gotta be there to understand it" kind of things. I'm not saying you guys are mis-informed, it's just easier to comprehend if you actually live here.

The Seattle School District is one of the poorest districts in the state. And also one of the most diverse.

Lets see, in Bellevue (across Lake Washington from Seattle), it is mostly Whites, Asians, some Indians and a dash of Persians/ME's.

In Kent, a little more down south (5-10 miles), it's more Latin American and Black.

But, when you go far away from population centers I.E.- the Seattle Metro Area, there are tons of white people. Like Enumclaw, North Bend, Snoqualmie etc. Oh, and don't forget about the Native Americans. I mean, I could go on and on about the diversity of the area, but I think I've gotten my point across. Hopefully in a friendly way and not sounding like a dou**e

Anyway, I love Western Washington and I ask all of you to visit us


Oh ya, there is even a place for you Nords! Ballard! FREE BALLARD!

Ok my time is up here.



-Droops

Until the WHOLE WORLD is multicultural and the last of the monocultures (the middle eastern countries, Japan, China and other asian nations) have been smashed, then this white guilt/privilege thing is a load of rubbish.

If people think America is racist/white supremist (it's far from it) then the ones who are whinging should go and live in Japan and see how accepted they are by the Japanese in important things like education, employment etc. They would really have something to battle against. Instead of preaching to the converted already.

It's just another white bashing exercise. It's become a world wide hobby the last couple of decades.

In the context of monocultures (and hence supremism) still existing around the world, then this little school excursion is a waste of taxpayers money.
Shouldn't they be focussing their attention on breaking down discrimination everywhere and especially in countries that are genuinely racist/supremist?

I used to get riled up about this B.S. but then it hit me! This is the first time in history since the crusades that white people / people of European descent have been forced to unite. Once under Christianity, now under skin color. Think about this without jealousy & anger! Before political correctness and all that affirmative action jive; via social programing, whites never got along with each other. English hated French & vice versa, Spain tried to conquer the world, France, Portugual, England, Rome, etc. Whites have always been fighting with each other. Nobody walks around as an Irish American/Canadian wishing the death of the British, the North American Scotts don't wish the death of the English, North American Polish & Slavics don't walk around dreaming of retribution of North American Germans, etc, etc anymore anyways. This is by design.
Not to mention Protestant versus Catholic.
The Powers that be planned this on purpose. Europe still hasn't completely united but when they do......look out minorities.
I believe minorities are being given priviledges on purpose to unite the white and then.........well use your imagination! Why do you think all those detainment centers have been built.

(this includes hispanics as they are mostly light skinned! Does France or England not recognize Spain?)
It only takes one generation of brainwashing to take a 180 degree turn.
Someone has to take the blame for the upcoming economic collapse. People leeching off the state will most likely be scapegoats.
If I was a minority I'd take the blinders off and see what is really about to happen & get out of dodge.
This is not hate speech but an observation.