Question about cars, I want an answer. No more messing around.

As title states. Stemming from this post here. Some guy came in and I asked him a question which he nor anyone else seem to have an answer for.

Since I asked this question a while ago I would like an answer for it now.. Since after all 9/11 is straight forward right? Nothing odd happened that day. I want to know what made dozens and dozens of cars suddenly catch fire.

Here is some of my other post that started this.

Myself
Now for the question..

I am going to show you some images. I would like a straight no bs answer on why these pictures look the way they do.. Here they are.





Now I picked these images and not the parking lot images cause there is 2 reasons for this.

1st image states where these images are taken from in NYC on 9/11 which is Park Pl.

If you have no idea where park place is in NYC here is Google maps to help out.
maps.google.com...,-74.009238&spn=0.004961,0.014248&t=h&om=1

Now Since you think the government had nothing to do with 9/11 Explain to me how all those cars could have possibly burned like that when they were 2 blocks away from the incident.. I can go further and show the cars in the lot up from WTC4 or 5 but that would just be getting into another ball of wax.. But go ahead.. give me a clean straight answer on why these cars burned..

Over heating don't count. You can leave an 01 car any model make whatever sit for days and days and days while running and the only thing that would probably blow out is a hose.. Which will not catch fire.. If anything the radiator would also blow which wouldn't start a fire... Now answer the question please.

There are other images here for looking at.
www.studyof911.com...

I was asked to post a few more images of interest..

here are some and where they are.





These images are here on google maps.

maps.google.com...,-74.012972&spn=0.00248,0.007124&t=k&om=1

Yeah...

Cars on fire, why?

What could possibly be the reason why there are cars on fire 2 blocks away?

I know it's not the dust of the collapse that caused cars to caught on fire, that wouldn't make sense.

Anyone care to explain this?

I'm still not sure of those first two pictures but the pictures
of the white was caused of the WTC 1 and 2 collapsing
throwing out all the ashe and soot and of course you see
those papers too. Think of a volcano erupting.

The picture with the people standing around to me it
looks like a bomb went off but it wasn't a emp. If that
was the case it would have knocked out all the power
in New York and perhaps New Jersey too.

[edit on 4/26/2007 by Leyla]

Thermites hot ya know...

No in all seriousness, I too have seen these pics and wondered what the cause was. Hot ash or just the proximity to the 1300 deg source may do it. The distance is kinda far.

Well,

I bet they didn't show this footage of cars on fire 2 blocks away on cnn haha...

Originally posted by greatlakes
Thermites hot ya know...

No in all seriousness, I too have seen these pics and wondered what the cause was. Hot ash or just the proximity to the 1300 deg source may do it. The distance is kinda far.

Why is it only cars that are on fire? there should be other materials around that area in New-York that would have caught on fire if a source hot enough to set cars on fire 2 blocks away was established.

EDIT: ERRRRRRM, especially those tree's......



[edit on 26-4-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by Leyla
The picture with the people standing around to me it
looks like a bomb went off but it wasn't a emp. If that
was the case it would have knocked out all the power
in New York and perhaps New Jersey too.

Not necessarily. It depends on the flux density and local magnetic shielding conditions.

Power was knocked out for some length of time, and millions of dollars in electronics damage done to the area, but I just thought I'd throw out that technically it does depend on the flux density, pretty much how many electrons were sent flying.

Anything that inducted much current beyond what it was designed for would've had components' power ratings exceeded, and would've caught fire or exploded. That's pretty much what always happens when you introduce too much current into a circuit.

Hey maybe there should be a commission setup to investigate this and many other weird things about 9/11!

We can call it "The 9/11 Commission Report" or sumthing. What do ya think.

Oh wait nm.

Originally posted by greatlakes
Hot ash or just the proximity to the 1300 deg source may do it.

Problem is that it would've also ignited just about everything in its path on the way to the cars, and given people all kinds of nasty 3rd degree burns as they ran away.

To actually flash-ignite a car by exposing it to external heat, requires a LOT of heat anyway, at the temperatures required for combustion.

What can cause a flaming car next to an unburned car? Maybe a column of hot gases being swept down the street between buildings and such. The air currents may dictate which cars were affected and which ones were not. Just a theory...

I say the most likely answer is gas leak. Some cars were probably left with their gas on during which they caught fire while other cars might not have had their gas on, also the cars were left to burn and burn, there was no firefighting and no water, the basically burned till they were burnt out.

I'm not trying to derail you thread, but there is some very good comments in this thread about the cars. But no answers.


What Melted Cars 7 Blocks Away From WTC

Another explanation is this: The gas tanks in the cars. Perhaps some of the cars affected had either full tanks of gas, or low levels of gas. Perhaps the make and model of the affected cars had something to do with which ones were affected. Gas tank placement, shielding, metal mass etc.

The hot surrounding air caused the fuel to vaporize and ignited and at that point explosion occurred only affecting that particular car. The temperature for a flashpoint for gasoline is: -40 degrees F, so basically the gasoline produces vapors at -40 and upwards. Flashpoint is defined though when exposed vapors are exposed to open flame however. I do believe that ignition can occur with just a super hot gas tank metal container.

Feasible?

I guess it would be a good time to commit insurance fraud so their owners may have set them on fire. Just a thought.

You know when the buildings came down, the way the smoke traveled didn't look like it could be caused by a building collapsing alone.

Even a building of that size, i just don't see an aftermath of smoke to that magnitude.

It really does look like the aftermath of a bomb, not a building falling...

I've seen huge buildings getting demolished before and they didn't cause any smoke, what's the deal?

Please, no one tell me it was the jet fuel that caused the miles of thick smoke that lasted for days...

And while we are at it, How long exactly did it take for the massive clouds of smoke to dissipate?

The problem I have is the fires in the towers surely were extinguished as the building collapsed? Even if they didn't they would not have been hot enough to course cars so far away to ignite, fuel or no fuel.

Gasoline is very hard to ignite unless it is vaporised, which is what your carburettor or fuel injection is for. Fuel becomes ignitable when vaporised and mixed with air not when it is sitting in a fuel tank.

it would take a lot of heat to ignite a car without a direct flame. Same heat that melted the steel?

What can create so much heat? Not much, unless you go into the more out there theories, like a nuke of some kind.

Like a modern version of this....

Scientists displaying the warhead (left) and packing container for the Medium Atomic Demolition Munition (MADM), a low-yield (1- to 15-kiloton) nuclear land mine designed to be deployed behind enemy lines and destroy tunnels, bridges, dams, and disrupt enemy troop movements. The entire unit (including warhead) weighed less than 400 pounds and was deployed from 1965 to 1986.

Source

Check the source for pics....

We know they've been working on 'clean' nukes producing low radiation.

Sept. 12, 2006 -- According to sources who worked with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) at Ground Zero on and after 911, residents of southern Manhattan and rescue and clean-up workers involved in the recovery operations at the site of the former World Trade Center are experiencing an unusually high rate of non-Hodgkin lymphoma -- a cancer that is common among individuals who have been exposed to extremely high levels of ionizing radiation, such as that from nuclear blasts and major nuclear reactor leaks...

Source

I know it's out there, and I'm not saying I buy this, but dam if it isn't starting to look like a possibility?...

Smoldering hot debris, flying in all directions, landing inside cars full of highly combustible materials, causing them to ignite and then torch the car. Flammable materials abound in your modern vehicle. It does not require the petrol to ignite or a flash burn for the evidence portrayed here. Mere slow burning and eventual conflagration of the entire vehicle.

Smoldering hot debris, flying in all directions, landing around GREEN wood and leaf, eventually extinguishing. Green wood is hard to burn.

Put it this way, you run up to a car with it's window open and stick your arm in with a lighter lit, and put it to the seat cover. In no time, it will be ablaze.

Now go try and light a green, urban tree.

As for blocks away, well.. 1 photo does lead me to believe "insurance scam' but then I've never heard this before. None of the photos here indicate anything that is not also covered in quantities of debris, which at the time would have been both thick and capable of causing the destruction shown.

?? We've nothing to compare the devastation to, but what are you saying.. it was a secret heat ray or something ??

Sorry badwolf,

That really doesn't give a definitive answer to the questions asked.

i bet $100 us dollars that the only cars that caught on fire were those with their windows down and/or running causing the air filter to catch fire from flaming debris etc. but i really think quite a few will be those with their windows down.