aerosol attack chemtrail evidence

i cant believe this entire thread is the same old stuff brought up yet again !!!!!!.

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for those people who dont understand the physics involved in formation of contrails including persistant ones here is a study undertaken by DERA (defence evaluation and research agency) for the Dept of Enviroment Transport and the Regions here in the UK, it was completed in Sept 2000.

www.ozone-sec.ch.cam.ac.uk...

PLEASE take the time to read this as it explains how and why contrails sometimes spread out and sometimes dont.

here is a snippet:

Contrail persistance is primarily linked to synoptic conditions that support vertical motions of air,such as frontal zones connected with the warm sectoer of lows,jet streams that carry moist air across stable highs , and flows induced by mountain waves.Under these conditions the relative humidity may exceed ice saturation,promoting growth of the contrail crystals. Contrail ice crystal spreading may be induced by vertical wind shear,especially in contrails with a large vertical extent caused by updrafts driven by radiative heating.

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ok and for those people who dont realise there are roads in the sky that jets stick to ,here are some maps of jetways over the UK.

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hope this helps , if anyone wants more info let me know as we are currently conducting new research based on the 2000 study but more in depth analysis of the effects on regional and global climate.

snoopyuk

I think those photos of WWII planes in the sky with all the "trails" is fake.
Why do we not see them forming from those planes in the phots?
I read that "con trails" are the result of the higher heat from jet engines, and that they are a new phenomena since the jet age began.

I have lived in Florida for 54 years. I lived in and near Tampa. MacDill AFB is next to Tampa, you might even say in Tampa. I did not see any of these persisten trails until recent years.

Also as to Florida. We do not have much E/W air traffic. Yet there are days when there are many E/W trails. And who is it that takes the time and trouble to make those daisy formations>

This site has some very awsome photos of clouds. Regardless of what you think about con trails or chem trails, you will find it entertaining.

www.weatherwars.info...

Ignorance is bliss; knowledge is agony.


[edit on 29-4-2007 by OhZone]

Originally posted by OhZone
I think those photos of WWII planes in the sky with all the "trails" is fake.

According to the WWII bomber group Vets who flew those missions, and took these photos, they are absolutely authentic.

Contrail Testimony by WWII Veterans Smashes 'Chemtrail' Hypothesis
Jay,
Yes, we certainly did. Contrails were so thick that they became clouds. We often said that we created weather over Europe. They would persist for many hours, maybe days. We flew a different route coming back than going in partly to avoid the contrail clouds that we created. There are some pictures of contrails on my web site - none of these are shown to be very heavy but there were time when we were near the end of the bomber stream and the contrails were so dense that it was no dfferent than flying in clouds. A thousand or more
planes (4000 internal combustion engines) can make a lot of contrail at 25000 feet or more.
Hope this helps.
Willard Reese- 457th Bomb Group

There are plenty of other, similar, testimonials on that site, check it for yourself, better yet write the vets organizations and ask the pilots personally.

Originally posted by OhZone
Why do we not see them forming from those planes in the phots?

I don’t understand this question. I quite clearly DO see them forming from the planes in the photos.

Originally posted by OhZone
I read that "con trails" are the result of the higher heat from jet engines, and that they are a new phenomena since the jet age began.

You think that piston driven engines do not get hotter then the surrounding atmosphere as well?
How do you explain the white vapor that comes out of a car when it’s cold outside?
Evil car spirits?

Originally posted by OhZone
I have lived in Florida for 54 years. I lived in and near Tampa. MacDill AFB is next to Tampa, you might even say in Tampa. I did not see any of these persisten trails until recent years.

And the reason for this is that most of them have been north of Tampa in Lutz and Pasco County. Why the sudden shift? Well its because they did construction on the runways and had to route the traffic into the airport from a different direction then normal, thus causing folks who were not used to living under the flight path to have to for the first time. There was much griping, crying, and lamentation about this, as the folks south of TIA were complaining it was making their property values drop.

When the news picked up on the story I think the folks to the North did not realize that the folks to the south had been lobbying the airport to keep the flights to the north, and started to fight back. The folks to the south would have been better off to stoically handle the traffic increase for awhile, and have kept their mouths shut, cause now the folks to the north realize they have a say in the situation as well. I am guessing that is why I still hear about traffic increases to the south, now after the construction is completed.
Kind of reads like “the blue and the gray”….

I don’t live to the north or south of it anymore so it really doesn’t effect me, other then the amusement factor of it all.

Originally posted by OhZone
Also as to Florida. We do not have much E/W air traffic. Yet there are days when there are many E/W trails.

Not sure where you get that FL does not get much east/west traffic from. There are plenty of flights which come and go to Dallas FortWorth and Houston International Airport. There are Flights which go from Texas, across the Gulf and down to Miami or over to Orlando. There are flights which go from here to England for crying out loud. Aircraft certainly don’t have to follow the landmass like a car does, and enter FL from the North. Also when the airport is routing for a southern approach aircraft come either down the bay or down 275 then have to turn either east or west on their base leg for final approach.
Check these maps out, I bet you had no idea that there was this much traffic into TIA:
South flow all aircraft
North flow all aircraft

Originally posted by OhZone
And who is it that takes the time and trouble to make those daisy formations>

I assume you are talking about holding patterns. A holding pattern looks something like this:

Holding patterns
So basically, to answer your question, bored pilots and annoyed passengers make them.

Originally posted by OhZone
Ignorance is bliss; knowledge is agony.

Hm…..
Nevermind…



[edit on 4/29/2007 by defcon5]

Originally posted by OhZone
I think those photos of WWII planes in the sky with all the "trails" is fake.
Why do we not see them forming from those planes in the phots?
I read that "con trails" are the result of the higher heat from jet engines, and that they are a new phenomena since the jet age began.

Uhm, I hate to break this to you, but contrails were first noticed in 1919. Are you saying they had jets back then?

Q: When were the earliest contrails observed?

A: The first published reports of contrails appeared during and shortly after World War I when aircraft were finally able to reach the altitudes required for contrail formation. An early example of contrail formation was observed during the flights of the pilot Zeno Diemer in 1919, when he reached altitudes as high as 30,500 ft above Munich, Germany.

asd-www.larc.nasa.gov...



[edit on 4/29/2007 by Zaphod58]

Originally posted by 117113
no, chemtrails look exactly like contrails, and how exactly could you concentrate on whats coming from a plane if you are flying anyway?

Exactly. Chemtrails look identical to contrails. They behave exactly like contrails. They are produced by the same aircraft that produce contrails. They occur only at the altitudes at which contrails form. And only under the same atmospheric conditions as contrails.

But as you can see in this satellite image, they only occur over large centres of population and stop as soon as they reach the sea



Hmmm, I don't suppose ...... nah, that'd be silly wouldn't it ...... but ..... just suppose ....... they are contrails?

Originally posted by AccessDenied
I don't know if I believe in chemtrails or not.However that being said, I see planes leaving trails almost every day many criss- crossed over my city. I will tell you that members of my family have all those symptoms described in the video,and only developed them after moving here from living in the country.Maybe it's time to get the heck out of Dodge.

I have been living at my current resident 6 years. The last three years the Chemtrails started showing up. There is a civilian airport located 20 miles away. None of the airplanes headed to, or away from that airport spew chemtrails.

Less than 10 miles away is Martins Airforce base. The last 3 years, they seem to pick a day, like monday mornings between 5 & 11AM to begin a criss-cross pattern in the sky of these Chemtrails.

If it's nothing, it's suspicious. One of these days we'll wake up to the fact that this government is performing experiments on our behinds... when it's too late!

After what I witnessed Saturday here in Tampa , Sunday was the exact opposite. Not a natural or engineered cloud in the sky...all day !....What changed?....no air traffic over the Bay area all day?...The air temp couldn't have varied more than a few degrees!...What changed?

I have lived on the Gulf Coast all my life. I have been an avid sailor and still sail regularly. A seasoned sailor becomes reliant on his wits and instincts and throughout my fourty years on the water I have never witnessed what I've seen in the last six years. I know what I'm seeing is unnatural and deliberate. I'll stay with my gut on this one. Thanks!



btw-With regard to my grandson, I would never lay the blame for his situation soley at the feet of any one cause.

Originally posted by eyespy2

Originally posted by AccessDenied
I don't know if I believe in chemtrails or not.However that being said, I see planes leaving trails almost every day many criss- crossed over my city. I will tell you that members of my family have all those symptoms described in the video,and only developed them after moving here from living in the country.Maybe it's time to get the heck out of Dodge.

I have been living at my current resident 6 years. The last three years the Chemtrails started showing up. There is a civilian airport located 20 miles away. None of the airplanes headed to, or away from that airport spew chemtrails.

Less than 10 miles away is Martins Airforce base. The last 3 years, they seem to pick a day, like monday mornings between 5 & 11AM to begin a criss-cross pattern in the sky of these Chemtrails.

If it's nothing, it's suspicious. One of these days we'll wake up to the fact that this government is performing experiments on our behinds... when it's too late!

Of course a plane 20 miles away from landing or departing is not going to be at a height to make contrails.

Martins AFB, never heard of it, are you sure? In any case, I would wager you have a enroute navigational aid close by, have you checked?

Originally posted by PisTonZOR

Showing a picture of a contrail as counter evidence is not sufficient to disprove chemtrails. just as PICTURES of chemtrails are not enough to prove chemtrails.

Changing your story multiple times and then linking us to some fake articles also aren't sufficiant to proove Chemtrails.

I have a grandson who has had a mysterious respritory condition since last September. If either of you jokers had kids or grandchildren you might then think twice about your complicit contributions. Good day!

So basically your grandson has a respritory problem and you somehow connect it to Contrails? Pollution?

How fast do you think the chemicals from 'chem-planes', would sink? 1/2 a foot a second? That is still many, many hours till it reaches the ground, and judging how fast the winds are up there, the chemtrails would of been blown far, far away, making Chemtrails illogical and inefficiant.

Why not poison the water supply?

[edit on 28-4-2007 by PisTonZOR]

how can you be so sure the articles are fake?

The thing is, there is a high demand for evidence on chemtrails, but when it is supplied, its almost always labeled as 'fake'. Now the article could very well be fake, but if your going to claim its fake, then prove it.

Upon reading the posts on this board there seems to be an overwhelming amount of evidence against chemtrails. Where do these planes land? there would need to be thousands of them, why isnt their any interviews on the subject?

however, i have looked into the sky so many times to see fading contrails and a 'very persistent' contrail right next to it (note: i watched this in real time, i have seen planes fly by existing chemtrails and watch their contrail fade while the other persists). An earlier poster claimed that the sky has a somewhat consistent temperature (although another poster claimed the opposite, both trying to disprove chemtrails), if this is true, why would this occur?

i will remain neutral on the subject

I've seen CONtrails suddenly start as well, if any of you know Lincoln,UK you will know its uphill part is built on the limestone ridge that runs n/s through lincolnshire it is a well known that clouds form on one side of the ridge and if the correct weather is happening will not go past it. Same with Contrails, I dont have photos or YouTube videos or what ever all i have is my eyes. I've seen contrails persist and contrails disappear within seconds.

As to the person who is saying that the WWII photo is fake, all i can say is all you need to do to understand how its not fake is to watch a original WWII dogfight film or find a photo and you'll see them stick around well after the planes have gone. I really doubt when 'the few' where fighting to the death they had the time to spray the very population they are trying to save from the Nazis tyranny.

Anyway I'm probably going to have someone jump down my thought again so I'm signing off.

LOL.
Have yall seen the "trails" left by jets when it is -40 out. Pretty amazing.
I bet it would scare a lot of people thinking the base is being sprayed

Not often does it get -40 here but with two major RAF bases to the north and south of us (Scampton and Waddington) we have on the average day AWACS flying out at low level and landing at what seems sometimes treetop level which is fun when you are travelling by the base since they have to close off the main road. BUT we also have the Red Arrows doing there stuff which can be fun to watch specially as they sometimes end up practicing over head!

Chemtrails get mainstream in Germany (RTL TV)….

For all the skeptics out there … you might like to view the following:

suddenly a meteorogical radar registers the presence of a cloud -- but it's not clear how did this happen? The answer seems to be that this was the result of a military experiment. What are these misterious trails and what is their purpose? We will try to find out. The military planes of the German Federal Army are manipulating our climate; this is what the weather researchers are presuming and their suspicions are confirmed.

Sinister clouds, up to 350 km long, appear all of a sudden on the radar, but only on the meteorogical radars. The first time it happened was in the summer of 2005. and then in March of 2006. The german army has admitted having war exercises towards the borders with the Netherlands.

For Karsten Brandt, meteorologist, this is the answer to the enigma:

KARSTEN BRANDT -- THE FEDERAL ARMY IS MANIPULATING THE METEOROGICAL MAPS...

The translation is pretty accurate and I’m amazed that this is making news in Germany and the weather guys + the greens taking on the air force with legal action…
Amazing …

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I love watching the AWAC taking off! I took this recently (from my back porch)

That's a pretty cool looking plane GreeneyedLeo.

What is the round disk shape used for?

It's a radar and control aircraft. The dish is a giant radar antenna that sees for hundreds of miles.

E-3 Sentry

E-3

[edit on 12/11/2007 by Zaphod58]

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me too ..

hello neighbor !!

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I've seen plenty of shows on the science channel about fuel conversions in engines and if plane engines differ they could install a bypass. If you can think it up it can be done. And why wouldn't those be chemtrails, it seems to be the perfect cover, out in the wide open and in our face. Just keep an open mind, sit back, read, let things resonate. After favoring a side, oppose it, let IT absorb. You will find anything goes and doesn't necessarily need proving especially here on the internet. However, if you can prove something someone will most likely debunk it anyway.